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2020 Election Fraud - Forgotten History
Gene363 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvChedzm2vA

Quote:
Elections and other political processes are pivotal to the quality of a country’s governance. Elections can either greatly advance or set back a country’s long-term democratic development, as well as U.S. foreign policy priorities. The most fundamental principle defining credible elections is that they must reflect the free expression of the will of the people. To achieve this, elections should be transparent, inclusive, and trusted by voters and those elected.
There have been several questionable elections. In 1876, Republican Rutherford B. Hayes won against Democrat Samuel J. Tilden in an election marred by voter fraud, and violence. But the 2020 election took it to a new level. Written and hosted by Colin D. Heaton. Forgotten History is a 10th Legion Pictures Production.
RayR Offline
#2 Posted:
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Wait....American history is marred by voter fraud and violence.? Hayes/Tilden wasn't the only one.
But every election is claimed to be the most secure election in American history because this is America and voter fraud and violence can't happen here.Confused
Stogie1020 Online
#3 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
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An intersting article about a legal battle between Newsmax and Smartmatic. The real issue, and the reason for this post, is that the article confirms that four of the execs of Smartmatic are currently under a DOJ probe of bribery.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Newsmax Seeks Sanctions Against Smartmatic Over DOJ Bribery Claims
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/newsmax-smartmatic-court/2024/06/04/id/1167386/
Speyside2 Offline
#4 Posted:
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All states use optical scan and potentially DRE. Louisiana only uses DRE. Theoretically DRE alone could steal the election. For optical scan to steal the election there would have to be massive, I repeat, massive conspiracy. None of the 2021 court cases had any merit regarding such a conspiracy.
Stogie1020 Online
#5 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,513
Speyside2 wrote:
All states use optical scan and potentially DRE. Louisiana only uses DRE. Theoretically DRE alone could steal the election. For optical scan to steal the election there would have to be massive, I repeat, massive conspiracy. None of the 2021 court cases had any merit regarding such a conspiracy.

Too generalized of a statement. The optical scan scanners store their tally's locally (here in AZ at least) and then are dumped to USB thumb drives for upload to the tallying processor. First, you can affect the quality of the optical scans so an abundance of ballots become "provisional" and must be manually reviewed later. Elections are often called (and conceded) before the provisional ballots are fully counted. Subsequently, additional scanner dumps can be introduced with additional USBs. Tell me how hard it would be to affect the count in one pivotal county of one pivotal state to make sure that state flipped for a candidate? You probably would only need to enhance or reduce a handful of polling locations to make the desired state-wide outcome.
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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62 lawsuits in 9 states alleging election fraud immediately after the 2020 elections...all dismissed for lack of evidence...

----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election


2000 Mules was a movie produced purporting to show actual election fraud...all debunked

---https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1-2298/publisher-of-2000-mules-election-conspiracy-theory-film-issues-apology


Trump's Big LIe is intended to grease the skids for his followers to contest every election he loses. He uses the playbook of his propagandist hero, Goebbels from the Third Reich, and keeps pitching a lie continuosly because the Master, Goebbels said: "repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it"

---https://scholar.harvard.edu/skelman/blog/goebbels-says-repeat-lie-often-enough-and-people-will-believe-it
Abrignac Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,496
delta1 wrote:
62 lawsuits in 9 states alleging election fraud immediately after the 2020 elections...all dismissed for lack of evidence...

----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election


2000 Mules was a movie produced purporting to show actual election fraud...all debunked

---https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1-2298/publisher-of-2000-mules-election-conspiracy-theory-film-issues-apology


Trump's Big LIe is intended to grease the skids for his followers to contest every election he loses. He uses the playbook of his propagandist hero, Goebbels from the Third Reich, and keeps pitching a lie continuosly because the Master, Goebbels said: "repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it"

---https://scholar.harvard.edu/skelman/blog/goebbels-says-repeat-lie-often-enough-and-people-will-believe-it


I guess your candidate Biden is also follower since he tells the same lies over and over again. Hmmm…….
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,738
Stogie1020 wrote:
Too generalized of a statement. The optical scan scanners store their tally's locally (here in AZ at least) and then are dumped to USB thumb drives for upload to the tallying processor. First, you can affect the quality of the optical scans so an abundance of ballots become "provisional" and must be manually reviewed later. Elections are often called (and conceded) before the provisional ballots are fully counted. Subsequently, additional scanner dumps can be introduced with additional USBs. Tell me how hard it would be to affect the count in one pivotal county of one pivotal state to make sure that state flipped for a candidate? You probably would only need to enhance or reduce a handful of polling locations to make the desired state-wide outcome.



I am an election worker with real experience, and I manage the scanner(s) at the poll.

My county uses paper ballots. They get run through the scanner by the voter and are deposited by the scanner bellow into a locked cabinet that the scanned ballots fall into. At poll closing, the votes are transmitted directly by the scanner to the election office by way of internal cellphone. Then, the ballots are locked and tagged for transport to the election office. The backup USB thumb drive, is sealed in an envelope that has been initialed by witnesses to each other person's tasks. They travel secured in a different poll worker's cars and 2-3 people are involved/witness and sign off on every single step involving the scanner.

Each car has one D and one R. The USB is only an additional back-up. That's all. Security measures include locking those ballots in the ballot box with a key that only I have at the poll. The ballots are then security/tamper tagged and the serial numbers of the tag are recorded by hand on paper. The count is printed up by the computer and we tape it to the poll window for all to see (including curios voters), before the ballots are transported.

Each and every step with the scanner and the ballots is observed by 2-3 other people working the poll. So to are the unused ballots. Everything must be equal. If there was tampering, the paper ballots would show a discrepancy. Sure someone could try to override the electronic count of the votes, but it all comes down to one basic thing- YOU CAN"T HACK A PAPER BALLOT.

These are about 1/20th of the steps my job involves. Other people doing different things, like check-in at the poll, have their own protocols to prevent the vote being hacked, and provide security that the number of paper ballots disbursed equals the count on the scanner. For every provisional vote, there is a notarized form the voter fills out. The provisional ballots are on a different colored paper. There are probably at least 200 security steps that others must witness and sign-off on, just at the poll.

Having seen all of this at the polls for a around a decade leads me to believe it would take multiple people with different poll jobs to pull off a scam. Could someone at the election office scam the vote? Doubtful, if not impossible, with the number of regular citizens involved making certain, every step is secure and must corelate with the count of every other step exactly.

There is a chit-ton more to it, but I know the ballots that go through the machine are secure at the poll along with the USB. Also, there is the historical voting count for each precinct from prior years. Significant differences from years past are recounted by hand by both an R and a D. Since everyone votes at the same poll, past records compared to each vote's records don't match-up with the history of that poll, there is an automatic hand count rule.

I could go on and on about the steps in the process from printing the ballots, each ballot's individual bar scan code, and the multiple steps of security. There aren't any problems alleged in my county. Is it impossible to hack the vote? Sure. But there is a 98.2% chance that the chain of steps (probably like 300-400 to close a poll) and witnesses, transportation protocols and the like, which make even one improperly cast vote unlikely to get through the system at the poll or involving my scanners.
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,329
delta1 wrote:
62 lawsuits in 9 states alleging election fraud immediately after the 2020 elections...all dismissed for lack of evidence...

----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election


2000 Mules was a movie produced purporting to show actual election fraud...all debunked

---https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1-2298/publisher-of-2000-mules-election-conspiracy-theory-film-issues-apology


Trump's Big LIe is intended to grease the skids for his followers to contest every election he loses. He uses the playbook of his propagandist hero, Goebbels from the Third Reich, and keeps pitching a lie continuosly because the Master, Goebbels said: "repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it"

---https://scholar.harvard.edu/skelman/blog/goebbels-says-repeat-lie-often-enough-and-people-will-believe-it



Nazis! Made it to post #6.
RayR Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 9,048
HockeyDad wrote:
Nazis! Made it to post #6.


I thought we already concluded that the greatest abuser of BIG LIE propaganda was the Biden Reich.Confused
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,801
rfenst wrote:
I am an election worker with real experience, and I manage the scanner(s) at the poll.

My county uses paper ballots. They get run through the scanner by the voter and are deposited by the scanner bellow into a locked cabinet that the scanned ballots fall into. At poll closing, the votes are transmitted directly by the scanner to the election office by way of internal cellphone. Then, the ballots are locked and tagged for transport to the election office. The backup USB thumb drive, is sealed in an envelope that has been initialed by witnesses to each other person's tasks. They travel secured in a different poll worker's cars and 2-3 people are involved/witness and sign off on every single step involving the scanner.

Each car has one D and one R. The USB is only an additional back-up. That's all. Security measures include locking those ballots in the ballot box with a key that only I have at the poll. The ballots are then security/tamper tagged and the serial numbers of the tag are recorded by hand on paper. The count is printed up by the computer and we tape it to the poll window for all to see (including curios voters), before the ballots are transported.

Each and every step with the scanner and the ballots is observed by 2-3 other people working the poll. So to are the unused ballots. Everything must be equal. If there was tampering, the paper ballots would show a discrepancy. Sure someone could try to override the electronic count of the votes, but it all comes down to one basic thing- YOU CAN"T HACK A PAPER BALLOT.

These are about 1/20th of the steps my job involves. Other people doing different things, like check-in at the poll, have their own protocols to prevent the vote being hacked, and provide security that the number of paper ballots disbursed equals the count on the scanner. For every provisional vote, there is a notarized form the voter fills out. The provisional ballots are on a different colored paper. There are probably at least 200 security steps that others must witness and sign-off on, just at the poll.

Having seen all of this at the polls for a around a decade leads me to believe it would take multiple people with different poll jobs to pull off a scam. Could someone at the election office scam the vote? Doubtful, if not impossible, with the number of regular citizens involved making certain, every step is secure and must corelate with the count of every other step exactly.

There is a chit-ton more to it, but I know the ballots that go through the machine are secure at the poll along with the USB. Also, there is the historical voting count for each precinct from prior years. Significant differences from years past are recounted by hand by both an R and a D. Since everyone votes at the same poll, past records compared to each vote's records don't match-up with the history of that poll, there is an automatic hand count rule.

I could go on and on about the steps in the process from printing the ballots, each ballot's individual bar scan code, and the multiple steps of security. There aren't any problems alleged in my county. Is it impossible to hack the vote? Sure. But there is a 98.2% chance that the chain of steps (probably like 300-400 to close a poll) and witnesses, transportation protocols and the like, which make even one improperly cast vote unlikely to get through the system at the poll or involving my scanners.


He's not lying about this. The 2000 election changed Florida for the better and for the life of me cannot understand how other states don't model themselves after Florida with their elections and ballot counting. We were the laughing stock and now...you can't make it up. We're a solid state. Plus the ballots are held in storage for 5 years.

Delta, what's really funny about the posts you put up are counter to what we all put up here on this site. Can't make it up. Pennsylvania has in their state constitution a provision that no mail in ballots are allowed. Wisconsin and Minnesota both had multiple counties that had more people voting in them than the population of them. Watched in horror at the poll workers being forced to leave in Michigan and when the "certain ones" left...out from under the tables came suitcases of ballots and they stayed and counted them. I can go on and on and on, but you still want to believe that 81 million people voted for Pedo Joe. That...didn't happen. Look around now...Biden is campaigning and at stops in Atlanta and Philadelphia he and Kameltoes together couldn't put more than 50 breathing people in a room with them. There were more press and cameramen than people interested to see Joe fall down and mumble some lies.
MACS Offline
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Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s warning about vote fraud/vote buying with mail-in ballots is “baselessly” or “without evidence” about mail-in vote fraud, there are numerous examples of vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots in the United States and across the world. Indeed, concerns over vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots causes the vast majority of countries to ban mail-in voting unless the citizen is living abroad.

There are fraud problems with mail-in absentee ballots but the problems with universal mail-in ballots are much more significant. Still most countries ban even absentee ballots for people living in their countries.

Most developed countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban absentee for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living in the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.

France has made an exception this year to the ban on absentee ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven't changed their regulations.

France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people.

According to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center, “These countries have learned the hard way about what happens when mail-in ballots aren’t secured. They have also discovered how hard it is to detect vote buying when both those buying and selling the votes have an incentive to hide the exchange,” said author John R. Lott, the center’s president.

While politicians in the United States have been debating the pros and cons of mail-in voting due to concerns of spreading COVID-19 at the polls and new reports of postal service and vote counting issues, Lott, whose center is known for its gun research, built a voting database of the European Union and the larger Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development countries.

Those countries, said Lott, are typically held up by Democrats as a model to follow.

“Liberals and progressives often try to model the U.S. on Western European countries in many ways, but you never hear them arguing that we should adopt their voting rules. There is a reason for that. Banning mail-in voting or requiring people to use photo IDs to obtain a mail-in ballot is quite common in developed countries, especially in Europe,” he said in the report.

The report, titled Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-in Ballots? They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems, listed the rules for voting and widespread cases of fraud and vote buying. His report also listed notable cases of fraud in U.S. voting.

He ended up calling mail-in voting a “throwback to the dark old days of vote-buying and fraud. Like most of the rest of the world, Americans deserve a more trustworthy system.”
Abrignac Offline
#13 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
He's not lying about this. The 2000 election changed Florida for the better and for the life of me cannot understand how other states don't model themselves after Florida with their elections and ballot counting. We were the laughing stock and now...you can't make it up. We're a solid state. Plus the ballots are held in storage for 5 years.

Delta, what's really funny about the posts you put up are counter to what we all put up here on this site. Can't make it up. Pennsylvania has in their state constitution a provision that no mail in ballots are allowed. Wisconsin and Minnesota both had multiple counties that had more people voting in them than the population of them. Watched in horror at the poll workers being forced to leave in Michigan and when the "certain ones" left...out from under the tables came suitcases of ballots and they stayed and counted them. I can go on and on and on, but you still want to believe that 81 million people voted for Pedo Joe. That...didn't happen. Look around now...Biden is campaigning and at stops in Atlanta and Philadelphia he and Kameltoes together couldn't put more than 50 breathing people in a room with them. There were more press and cameramen than people interested to see Joe fall down and mumble some lies.



Can you provide proof of such a claim? Certainly you would post something that is false?

In the case of Wisconsin voting totals that rumor were traced back to a Facebook post made by Mike Boss. He posted a meme from the World Population Review which relied on voter roles from 2018 and thus were not current. World Population Review actually corrected this on their website.

According to the Wisconsin Secretary of State at the time of the election there were 3,684,726 active registered voters on Election Day yet only 3,170,206 votes were counted.

Don’t have time to dig deeper in to the Minnesota claim. Perhaps I’ll do that later.
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Abrignac wrote:
Can you provide proof of such a claim? Certainly you would post something that is false?

In the case of Wisconsin voting totals that rumor were traced back to a Facebook post made by Mike Boss. He posted a meme from the World Population Review which relied on voter roles from 2018 and thus were not current. World Population Review actually corrected this on their website.

According to the Wisconsin Secretary of State at the time of the election there were 3,684,726 active registered voters on Election Day yet only 3,170,206 votes were counted.

Don’t have time to dig deeper in to the Minnesota claim. Perhaps I’ll do that later.


Learn something new everyday. My bad. It appears I was wrong. Just like Ivermectin.
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RayR wrote:
I thought we already concluded that the greatest abuser of BIG LIE propaganda was the Biden Reich.Confused


That may be true but the Hilary campaign got away with political murder. RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA
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