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DrMaddVibe Offline
#51 Posted:
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Meanwhile back at the ranch....

New High: 61% Favor Building the Keystone XL Pipeline


Support for building the Keystone XL pipeline is now at its highest level ever.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 61% of Likely U.S. Voters now at least somewhat favor building the major oil pipeline from Canada to Texas, while just 27% are opposed. This includes 37% who Strongly Favor the project and 10% who Strongly Oppose it. Thirteen percent (13%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Support for building the pipeline is up four points from 57% in January and now has edged above the previous high of 60% found in November 2011 when President Obama first delayed the project for further environmental study.

Sixty-two percent (62%) believe it will be good for the U.S. economy if the pipeline is built. That’s up from 56% at the beginning of the year and also a new high. Unchanged are the 10% who think the pipeline will be bad for the economy. Twelve percent (12%) say it will have no impact, while 16% are not sure.

Thirty-two percent (32%) think the pipeline will be bad for the environment. But 54% disagree, with 13% who feel it will be good for the environment and 41% who say it will have no environmental impact. Fourteen percent (14%) are not sure.

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters say the pipeline is at least somewhat important to how they will vote in the next congressional election, with 23% who say it is Very Important. Thirty-eight percent (38%) say the Keystone project is not important to their vote, including 11% who say it is Not at All Important.

The Obama administration announced last Friday that it is delaying a decision on building the Keystone pipeline until after the Nebraska Supreme Court rules on a legal challenge. Supporters of the Keystone project claim the administration is deliberately postponing the decision until after Election Day.

The national survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on April 21-22, 2014 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Two-out-of-three voters (65%) believe the United States does not do enough to develop its own gas and oil resources.

A plurality (46%) of voters continues to think it is possible to build the Keystone pipeline in a way that doesn’t significantly damage the environment, but support for that position has steadily deteriorated from 57% in November 2011.

Men and those 40 and over are stronger believers in building the Keystone project and in its economic benefits than women and younger voters are.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of Republicans and 67% of voters not affiliated with either major project favor building the Keystone pipeline, but just 42% of Democrats agree. Sixty-nine percent (69%) of GOP voters and 56% of unaffiliateds say the pipeline is important to their vote in the next congressional election, a view shared by 47% of Democrats.

Forty-three percent (43%) of all voters who Strongly Favor building the Keystone pipeline say it is Very Important to their vote in November. Among voters in the smaller group who Strongly Oppose the pipeline, 37% rate it Very Important to their vote.

Mainstream voters and those in the Political Class are in general agreement about building the pipeline, but Political Class voters are twice as likely as the others to view the project as bad for the environment.

Opponents of the pipeline strongly believe it will bad for the environment. Supporters tend to think building the Keystone project will have no environmental impact.

Half (49%) of all voters continue to believe there is a conflict between economic growth and environmental protection. Just 28% disagree.

Forty-seven percent (47%) of Americans rate the quality of the environment in the United States as good or excellent, but 41% think it’s getting worse. Just 24% think the environment’s getting better.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2014/new_high_61_favor_building_the_keystone_xl_pipeline



Now in all this confusion...who bought railroads and lobbied to stall the pipeline???
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LYNCHBURG, Va. – Authorities are evacuating numerous buildings around a train derailment and fire along the James River in downtown Lynchburg, Va.

The city of Lynchburg on its website posted that the fire department was on the scene Wednesday afternoon and urged motorists and pedestrians to avoid the area.

No injuries were immediately reported.

Photos and video show several black tanker-like train cars derailed and extensive flames and smoke.

A phone message left by The Associated Press with the Lynchburg Police Department wasn't immediately returned.

Lynchburg is a city of about 77,000 people in the foothills of Blue Ridge Mountains. It is home to Liberty University and several others and is located about halfway between Baltimore and Charlotte, N.C.


Film at 11... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#53 Posted:
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...close to Roanoke...home of the old Norfolk & Western RR.

Beautiful country up there.
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#54 Posted:
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I predict Obummer will approve the pipeline closer to the next election.
DrafterX Offline
#55 Posted:
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He killed it... but I bet the trains keep-a-rollin... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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He kept the trains a rollin' cuz his quid pro quo was Warren Buffet buying the railroad companies!


Don't look at the hand they show you...look at the one behind their backs!

It's dirty filthy politics.


What a complete snow job by the Kenyan King.

HOPE AND CHANGE BIZNITCHES!!!!


You voted for the government you get!
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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I heard oil trains kill about 50 coyotes every week.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#58 Posted:
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Keeps the tracks lubricated.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted:
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OhMyGod
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted:
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Blood on the tracks...Bob Dylan wrote an album about it...that's what I heard...I don't ever want to hear him sing it though!Not talking Not talking Not talking
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#61 Posted:
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Poor Bob.... Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#62 Posted:
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Ah, don't feel sorry for that marble mouthed warbling troubadour...he's super rich.

He does write nice songs. It's just that other people do them 1000x better than him.
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Buffet has bet big that his railroad can take some of the interstate trucking market. They are near completion on a second parallel set of tracks so no train needs to stop or slow for a train comming from the other direction. I do not remember specifically where the line is. Though it is in the Midwest.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Blood on the tracks...Bob Dylan wrote an album about it...that's what I heard...I don't ever want to hear him sing it though!Not talking Not talking Not talking


Sacrilege, One of Dylan's best.
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Posted Mar 21 2012
rfenst wrote:
How many times must I write that the pipeline WILL get approved by Obama? If not until after the election, you can sure darn bet he will strongly favor it during the election and more vehemently as the election cycle progresses.


Runnin' out of time ?
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#66 Posted:
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I'm outraged... Mellow
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So im curious. . And prolly should look at this closer... but is this the same pipline the Indians are protesting in North Dakota. .?? And who convinced them it was bad..?? Think

A little respect for their cause will be appreciated. . I'm not sure they're right myself... just looking for thoughts.. Mellow
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OBama approved it and approved running it through an Indian Reservation .. I guess you a nt say white man speak with forked tongue.

They're putting through an aquifer that supplies all of the reservations water. You have to lol at Obama approving it . It shows he has no backbone and is in the pocket of the oil companies.
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DrafterX wrote:
LYNCHBURG, Va. – Authorities are evacuating numerous buildings around a train derailment and fire along the James River in downtown Lynchburg, Va.

The city of Lynchburg on its website posted that the fire department was on the scene Wednesday afternoon and urged motorists and pedestrians to avoid the area.

No injuries were immediately reported.

Photos and video show several black tanker-like train cars derailed and extensive flames and smoke.

A phone message left by The Associated Press with the Lynchburg Police Department wasn't immediately returned.

Lynchburg is a city of about 77,000 people in the foothills of Blue Ridge Mountains. It is home to Liberty University and several others and is located about halfway between Baltimore and Charlotte, N.C.


Film at 11... Mellow



I just saw this . I put a train in the river about 200 feet from where this one went in . In fact this train went in right where the track repair ended from my derailment . Mine was due to a broken rail . This one was due to a broken rail and the 2 they had after that were due to a broken rail ..

CSX has not undercut that section of track in the last 20 years . As trains go over the tracks wet weather mud is forced up through the ballast . That makes the track bed unstable .so each time they fix a section after a derailment they create a weak point where the repair ends . The new section doesn't move when a train goes over it and the unrepaired section has some give in it . When the weather is either very hot or very cold it gets worse .

I have no idea why the NTSB hasn't stepped in to require CSX to repair that section of track it's only @ 5 miles . I know why CSX doest it would cost to much .

Oh I almost forgot a conductor working in that area was hit with a piece of rail that broke off while he was watching a train by . It was only a 15 inch section of 150# rail and just the ball of the rail ( top section ) .
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Ouch... d'oh!
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President Trump signed executive orders on Tuesday effectively reviving the controversial Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, which had been stalled by the Obama administration under pressure from environmental and other groups.

The president said the projects would be subject to a “renegotiation of the terms.” But he made clear the government was resuming consideration for both pipelines, describing them as a potential boon to construction workers.

“We’re going to put a lot of … steel workers back to work,” Trump said. “We’ll build our own pipelines, we will build our own pipes.”

To that end, the president signed three other orders related to pipeline construction, including one expediting the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects and one directing the Commerce Department to maximize the use of U.S. steel.

The moves on the pipelines had been widely expected, as Trump last year blasted his predecessor for effectively blocking the projects.

Republican allies hailed Tuesday’s orders, with House Speaker Paul Ryan saying in a statement, “It’s about time.”

North Dakota Rep. Kevin Cramer said: “Today’s executive orders affirm President Trump’s respect for the rule of law and his support for responsible infrastructure development, energy production and job creation.”

Former President Obama stopped the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in late 2015, declaring it would have undercut U.S. efforts to clinch a global climate change deal that was a centerpiece of his environmental legacy. The pipeline would run from Canada to Nebraska where it would connect to existing lines running to U.S. refineries on the Gulf Coast. The U.S. government needs to approve the pipeline because it would cross the nation's northern border.

Film at 11.... Mellow
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#72 Posted:
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Trump vs Buffett
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#73 Posted:
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With a heave... and a ho.... Mellow
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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/24/canada-oil-pipeline-spills-200000-liters-on-aboriginal-land.html
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More crude oil was spilled in U.S. rail incidents last year than was spilled in the nearly four decades since the federal government began collecting data on such spills, an analysis of the data shows.

Including major derailments in Alabama and North Dakota, more than 1.15 million gallons of crude oil was spilled from rail cars in 2013, according to data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.

By comparison, from 1975 to 2012, U.S. railroads spilled a combined 800,000 gallons of crude oil. The spike underscores new concerns about the safety of such shipments as rail has become the preferred mode for oil producers amid a North American energy boom.

The federal data does not include incidents in Canada where oil spilled from trains. Canadian authorities estimate that more than 1.5 million gallons of crude oil spilled in Lac-Megantic, Quebec, on July 6, when a runaway train derailed and exploded, killing 47 people. The cargo originated in North Dakota.

Nearly 750,000 gallons of crude oil spilled from a train on Nov. 8 near Aliceville, Ala. The train also originated in North Dakota and caught fire after it derailed in a swampy area. No one was injured or killed.

The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration doesn’t yet have spill data from a Dec. 30 derailment near Casselton, N.D. But the National Transportation Safety Board, which is the lead investigator in that incident, estimates that more than 400,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled there. Though no one was injured or killed, the intense fire forced most of Casselton’s 2,400 residents to evacuate in subzero temperatures.

Film at 11.... Think
teedubbya Offline
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I'd like to see s side by side during the same time period normalized as a percentage of total volume. This shows 1975-2012 vs 2013 rail only.

I don't know the answer (haven't looked) but would like to see the real comparative numbers.

I don't care about the pipeline one way or another. If it somehow helps something substantive rather than symbolic I'm for it if we can do it right.

I just found it ironic on the day it was greenlighted there was another spill.
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teedubbya wrote:
I'd like to see s side by side during the same time period normalized as a percentage of total volume. This shows 1975-2012 vs 2013 rail only.

I don't know the answer (haven't looked) but would like to see the real comparative numbers.

I don't care about the pipeline one way or another. If it somehow helps something substantive rather than symbolic I'm for it if we can do it right.

I just found it ironic on the day it was greenlighted there was another spill.



With Buffett ratcheting up railroad scores lately and being able to shut down the pipeline with the Kenyan King you can almost assuredly find data that the spills on the rails are up...substantially!

I don't have an issue with the pipeline either as we have 100's of them criss-crossing the nation already and do their job. The quality control going into a project is tighter than it's ever been and they can "see" when and where a leak might happen and rectify it before it spills a drop. Doesn't mean that accidents happen, however this industry has improved with technology. The flaw in all of this is that we won't allow more refineries to be built to ease where and how the pipelines deliver the petroleum. That's criminal. As it stands now they can only "improve" what they have in place.

Look, at the end of the day I'm for seeking out alternative fuel sources and believe that we should employ an all approach. I'd LOVE to get off the oil teet and use solar power for almost all of our needs but...we're too damned busy rebuilding $hitholes in Iraq and Afghanistan that NEVER had a decent power grid to begin with...so until we stop that hemorrhaging of senseless taxpayer dollars...we won't get off the oil.


Reminds me...there are 1000's of vehicle fatalities each and every day and they're still selling and making automobiles.
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lots of data out there.. I did a quick google and just copied the first few paragraphs of the first link.. but if you consider the millions of miles of existing pipelines not burning diesel and expelling those damn hazardous emissions the trucks and trains do it's kind of a no brainer... Obama just hated Oil & Gas & Steel... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
lots of data out there.. I did a quick google and just copied the first few paragraphs of the first link.. but if you consider the millions of miles of existing pipelines not burning diesel and expelling those damn hazardous emissions the trucks and trains do it's kind of a no brainer... Obama just hated Oil & Gas & Steel... Mellow


It's apparent...especially given what's happening with all of the American businesses that the Kenyan King HATED America!
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ya... I heard his wife did too.... Mellow
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
With Buffett ratcheting up railroad scores lately and being able to shut down the pipeline with the Kenyan King you can almost assuredly find data that the spills on the rails are up...substantially!



Not what I was asking for at all. I was specific. And I can't find it (but have not looked very hard either
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teedubbya wrote:
I'd like to see s side by side during the same time period normalized as a percentage of total volume. This shows 1975-2012 vs 2013 rail only.

I don't know the answer (haven't looked) but would like to see the real comparative numbers.

I don't care about the pipeline one way or another. If it somehow helps something substantive rather than symbolic I'm for it if we can do it right.

I just found it ironic on the day it was greenlighted there was another spill.

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I haven't looked either but my guess it's similar to a car crash vs airplane crash comparison... Mellow
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Crude was $108/Barrel in March 2012
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them were some good times here in Oklahoma... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
them were some good times here in Oklahoma... Mellow



earthquake capital of the US!
DrafterX Offline
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Woo Hoo..!! Laugh
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WASHINGTON – The Trump administration has issued a presidential permit to pipeline builder TransCanada to build the Keystone XL pipeline.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer tweeted that President Donald Trump would discuss the pipeline later Friday morning.

The State Department says that it determined that building Keystone serves the U.S. national interest. That's the opposite conclusion to the one the State Department reached during the Obama administration.

The State Department says it considered foreign policy and energy security in making the determination.

The permit was signed by Tom Shannon, a career diplomat serving as undersecretary of state for political affairs. That's because Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recused himself due to his previous work running Exxon Mobil.

Keystone will carry tar sands oil from Canada to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast.

Film at 11.... Mellow





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TSB1Jovbq0
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teedubbya wrote:
earthquake capital of the US!


that's comes as a shock to those of us who're residents of the west coast where earthquakes are pretty much the equivalent of an "A" ticket ride at the Magic Kingdom ...
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it was just a phase we were going thru.... people were trying to blame it on fracking and stuff but we hardly do that anymore and the earthquakes have stopped.. Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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But while it's a shock to west coasters it's no less true.
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it was a glitch... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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I blame the giant eagle cutters.
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Think

you're prolly right.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Steves I've not seen 2016 data yet but in 2015 OK had more earthquakes than all the other States combined. Cali wasn't in the top 4-5 (not being specific, don't care enough to dot the "I"s. Similar data for 2014 and a few years before. Meh. It's just OK. Who really cares?
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Why do you hate Oklahoma..?? Is it the Indian thing..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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I got freaked out by the whole honey lamb thing in the song
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not sure what that's all about.... I've never seen one... Mellow
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Hang on... Let me get this 100% straight.

If we frack in OK... we can get cheaper oil... and the only negative repercussions happen to Oklahomans?

Win win!
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.... or is it oklahomos?
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