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No, its a sanctioned product, made in a different location.

If you want the real deal Graycliff cigars, you MUST purchase them from the hotel in the Bahamas. They don't distribute them anywhere else, to the best of my knowledge. So its safe to say that if you're purchasing it from us, its not made in the Bahamas. If you do your homework, you would find this information out and not be looking for them on an auction site.

If you were to buy a t-shirt that said Dalla Cowboys on it that wasn't licensed by the NFL, that would be a knock-off. If you go to Chinatown in NYC and buy a 'coach' purse that isn't actually made by Coach, that's a knock-off. If you buy a Graycliff cigar that you don't like, was made in Honduras but is licensed to a company that had it made in Honduras, that is NOT a knock-off - its a cigar you don't like.

We can simply agree to disagree Porksoda. You don't like the idea of licensing and that's ok.

Even better idea - send them to OpFTH

So, a legitimate knock off?

You can't seriously believe that Gurkha gives a crap about what is said on this forum. FYI Gurkha has been going with B & M only sales on recent lines. CBID could sell thousands of them if they were available. Did you ever smoke a Seduction, Ghost or Cellar Reserve ?

It's real simple. Small businesses make a few $$$ selling the rights to their name. Big business gets to make a few $$$ selling cigars labeled as something that they are not. The un-educated consumer gets a cigar.

Kinda like going to Cozumel and buying a box of Cohibas in a glass box.

I didn't say anyone from gurkha cared... I said,

"all the gurkha bashing on this forum has pretty much guaranteed that here they will only sell for what they deserve to sell for, not what k han wants"

they did a trial run selling the seduction, cellar reserve, and royal challenge here once... they did not go for as much as gurkha wanted... I attribute that - at least in part - to the truth-telling here on this forum about gurkha's business practices...

I've had all 3... the seduction with a year rest on it was ok but it was still a gurkha, which means k han made money on it, which means I won't be smoking any more...

uh oh!....
you've been smoking thigh beards for sure..............

mine said hecho y taliban... that's good, right?

This is why I just buy the old school cigars from Cbid. The ones with the classic old labels that say PAUNCH or COHIVA...at least you know what you're getting.

**** them then.

Oops

Wow - I would have thought this would lower the prices on BP's and knockoffs - and they're going like hotcakes today compared to their usual prices! Go figure. LMAO when I saw I got outbid on knockoff pequenos!

Some of those knockoffs are good man, I tryed the partagas and the the la gloria and they are
good, I want to try the fuente and ryj, but dont let the name knock off deter you

Yeah I'm saying quite on this one don't need a time out

I know a quick way to end this discussion. Go out and buy a cigar. Smoke it. If you like it, buy it again. Keep repeating this process and you won't have to worry about the label(s.)

So the magic tobacco fairy continuously creates the identical tobacco, year after year, and the taste remains exactly the same.... I think that story begins with "Once upon a time...." and ended with "they lived happily ever after."

Think about it. A lot of cigars are made with small, finite batches of tobacco for the filler, binder and wrapper. If any one element changes, it changes the taste - maybe only slightly or maybe a lot. That doesn't mean they've changes the blend. It means the original tobacco ran out!

I know how everyone feels about Cigar Aficionado but why do you think they taste the same cigar every few years? Why is it that the Macanudo 1968 is so highly regarded while the rest of the line is what it is? Because that year, the tobacco was fantastic. They didn't change the blend.

When you're talking about small batches of tobacco, like Gurkha would use, after that tobacco runs out the taste of the cigar will most likely change with the new tobacco in the mix. Why should they change the band? You're talking about a huge expense.

This isn't rocket surgery guys....

Sheesh

I agree with everything you just said Trish.

Mostly this "after that tobacco runs out the taste of the cigar will most likely change with the new tobacco in the mix"

It's true that you can never get the original flavor back when the tobacco runs out.

My question is then,why keep trying to capitalize on the 93 rating that the La Perla Habana Black Pearl Morado
got way back when?

The tobacco blend that received the 93 rating is long gone,but the rating is still being used to promote sales of the current blend.

La Perla Habana Morado received a well-deserved 93-point rating: An attractive cigar with an even draw and perfect burn. It delivers a substantial smoke, rich with profound tobacco flavors and a sweet note on the finish.


http://www.cigarsinterna...bana-black-pearl-morado/


TIGER

Cbid and sister company's simply have to much at stake to even consider selling inferior blends under the same label. One of the reasons they are so large is their integrity. They simply cannot risk their reputation.

WoW.

Just had my first CBid fanboy sighting.

TIGER

No, just my view of how business works. Having been in B2B sales for a long time you learn integrity promotes customer loyalty, dishonesty loses customers.

There is a large difference between deceptive business practices and old reviews. Though I do agree with you that old reviews should not be mentioned.

Deceptive business practices are lies. The review is not. You are looking at a fairly standard marketing practice with the review. To me the review does not alter Cbid's integrity. You seem to think that it does. I suppose that is simply 2 different points of view. As I stated above my preference is they do not provide old reviews.

What are you implying Shaun....as you use Cbid's bandwidth to imply it?