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QMPASH Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 9:58 AM EST
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I've been mulling this over in my head for a couple of weeks. I originally saw a post with a link to some guy from Texas who had bid about 3x for the same cigar that he could have bought at Quick Bids. I think this is/was akin to a gambling addiction. My question is this: do you think that Quick Bids should notify a bidder when he/she is seriously overbidding? I mean, it's okay to me if a person wants to be a jerk and, despite any warning(s) continues to overbid. But, in all fairness, shouldn't C-Bid at least give the guy some warning? If you're not buying a collector's item or a real limited edition, why overpay when the purpose of most auctions is to buy something a little cheaper? Confused
kombat96 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:04 AM EST
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So what your saying is cbid should help someone with the ability to search for better prices save money, when cbid is in the bidness of making money?

Walking away from this smh
gryphonms Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:14 AM EST
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^+1
madspackler Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:24 AM EST
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What is wrong with a little Capitalism?

As my sister (the nurse) says "You just can't fix STUPID."

If a fool and his money are soon parted - perhaps this fool will run out of money and cease overbidding? The same internet access that allows you to visit the site, would also allow for you to easily determine the fair market value of the goods you are bidding on. This is not only true for CBid, but any internet purchases being contemplated. The vendors charge different prices on different sites because they can. Plain and simple. No need to set up a Nanny state to police idiots who are funding the site and forum boards for the rest of us.

It does not say "Not for Profit" above the entrance of my offices. We need profits to stay in business, pay the employees, keep the lights on etc...and on occasion there is some money left over to split with the partners and owners. Bless the overbidding customer - he pays the bills for all of us.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:26 AM EST
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I heard he lights his cigars with hundred dollar bills and stuff.... Mellow
thurson Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:54 AM EST
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I was going to spew a whole bunch of logical crap on the subject but then thought better of it...as you were.

Sarcasm
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 10:58 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
I've been mulling this over in my head for a couple of weeks. I originally saw a post with a link to some guy from Texas who had bid about 3x for the same cigar that he could have bought at Quick Bids. I think this is/was akin to a gambling addiction. My question is this: do you think that Quick Bids should notify a bidder when he/she is seriously overbidding? I mean, it's okay to me if a person wants to be a jerk and, despite any warning(s) continues to overbid. But, in all fairness, shouldn't C-Bid at least give the guy some warning? If you're not buying a collector's item or a real limited edition, why overpay when the purpose of most auctions is to buy something a little cheaper? Confused


While we don't notify the customer if he is overbidding, we do honor requests to cancel an accidental overbid - once - without any restocking fee. We've had individuals who have a problem, whether its bidding on everything or bidding prices up just to win. Eventually, these folks' accounts are closed. Sometimes we close it, other times they realize they have a problem and ask us to close it.

When I first started with CBid, I got a call from a wife who asked me to close her husband's account because he was spending their mortgage money. After a lot of opening and closing the account, lots of declined credit cards, etc. we just shut him down for good. He created a new account, got a divorce and started bidding again about a year or two later. Eventually, that account was closed down too.

My daughter works at the casino down the road from us. She always says that we should send them to 1800-GAMBLER for help.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 11:01 AM EST
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Bloody got divorced..??? Huh
kombat96 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 11:12 AM EST
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Rah
shaun341 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 11:31 AM EST
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It was me and it's only a matter of time before I go on a bidding spree that I can't afford. Yard gars will go for 5x the going rate. I am sorry if you stand in my way but some azzhat on here said losing is a sign of weakness and I will not show weakness.

Why on God's green earth would a business tell someone hold on we are making too much money off you on that product are you sure you want to buy it still. That's comical
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 1:14 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Bloody got divorced..??? Huh


My story goes back about 12 years. I'm not sure Blood was even here yet. And the guy didn't use the forum.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 1:29 PM EST
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he was prolly using an alias back then.... Mellow
illinichaser Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 1:37 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
My story goes back about 12 years. I'm not sure Blood was even here yet. And the guy didn't use the forum.



Well, duh. . .

If he had used the forum,he would have known from all the threads, just how bad his over bidding was.

d'oh! d'oh!


And he could have received some great therapy. . . Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
stogiemonger Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 3:23 PM EST
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Another overbid thread? Really? Sheesh!
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Aug 26 2014, 4:39 PM EST
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IT'S ALL THOSE RICH GUYS TAUNTING US. THEY DON'T EVEN SMOKE THE CIGARS THEY BUY HERE, IT'S SICKENING. THEY LIGHT THEIR CUBAN CIGARS WITH $100 BILLS AND LAUGH AT US!
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 12:23 AM EST
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Let's go OCCUPY someplace!!! Damm 1%'ers...
tonygraz Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 7:48 AM EST
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How about a cigar lounge ?
QMPASH Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 11:33 AM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
So what your saying is cbid should help someone with the ability to search for better prices save money, when cbid is in the bidness of making money?

Walking away from this smh


No, that is not what I was saying; that's your interpretation. Even when people gamble at casinos or bet on the lottery, they are warned that if they have a gambling problem, there is treatment available. Not that any of them take the advice. And, he may be stupid as some posters have suggested. He may be senile. There are all sorts of possibilities. I am just saying it would be nice of C-bid that, when they see someone seriously overbidding, to alert him to the fact. Think
QMPASH Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 11:38 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
While we don't notify the customer if he is overbidding, we do honor requests to cancel an accidental overbid - once - without any restocking fee. We've had individuals who have a problem, whether its bidding on everything or bidding prices up just to win. Eventually, these folks' accounts are closed. Sometimes we close it, other times they realize they have a problem and ask us to close it.

When I first started with CBid, I got a call from a wife who asked me to close her husband's account because he was spending their mortgage money. After a lot of opening and closing the account, lots of declined credit cards, etc. we just shut him down for good. He created a new account, got a divorce and started bidding again about a year or two later. Eventually, that account was closed down too.

My daughter works at the casino down the road from us. She always says that we should send them to 1800-GAMBLER for help.

I'm with your daughter on this. However, don't you think it would be nice to alert someon who is paying 2 or 3 times the actual price that "his bid was unusuall high?" Just a thought.Mellow
shaun341 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 11:39 AM EST
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How would they know if it's a guy with a problem or some rich guy buying everything until it's too late anyway
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 2:00 PM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
I'm with your daughter on this. However, don't you think it would be nice to alert someon who is paying 2 or 3 times the actual price that "his bid was unusuall high?" Just a thought.Mellow


An alert like this would require quite a bit of programming. You've all seen the inflated MSRP that's included with the pricing. I think the overbidder would see that too.

I don't necessarily see this as our responsibility. The overwhelming number of people do fine. I think that any website - whether its an auction or even a regular retail site - has people who spend more than they should.

And just so you know - we HAVE given people that number.
bassman45 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 2:05 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
An alert like this would require quite a bit of programming. You've all seen the inflated MSRP that's included with the pricing. I think the overbidder would see that too.

I don't necessarily see this as our responsibility. The overwhelming number of people do fine. I think that any website - whether its an auction or even a regular retail site - has people who spend more than they should.

And just so you know - we HAVE given people that number.



Can I have the number?Anxious Brick wall
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 2:11 PM EST
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bassman45 wrote:
Can I have the number?Anxious Brick wall


1-800-GAMBLER

Your wife emailed me to thank me for this! :)
JadeRose Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 6:59 PM EST
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Think d'oh! Not talking













OhMyGod
stogiemonger Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 7:06 PM EST
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The overbidders are to be adored.

They, in fact, keep the lights on for the rest of us to get great deals.

Should they receive a warning that they are overbidding? I say no.

Bless their overbidding hearts.
CHRISGERMO Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 7:30 PM EST
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Forget about Overbidding. Let's talk about Overbuying. Some guy bids $9 for a cigar he could get for $3? Whoopee-de -farkin-do.
What about the guy who has over 1000 sticks on hand in 9 humidors, and 2 coolerdors? While I did not bid $9 for any cigar, and my average purchase price is $2-$3 per stick( samplers and boxes), maybe I have an addiction to buying cigars at the best prices( at least in my mind) that I can.
Who is the biggest idiot? Me, the guy who paid $9 for a $3 cigar, or the guy who thinks that there should be legislation to prevent the $9 guy from buying a $3 cigar?
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 7:54 PM EST
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^ another satisfied Democrat voter
CelticBomber Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 8:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Let's go OCCUPY someplace!!! Damm 1%'ers...


YES!!!! I've always wanted to protest something while I shout 'No Roger, No Rerun, NO RENT!"













Let's see how many are old enough to get that reference!Razz
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Aug 27 2014, 8:46 PM EST
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CHRISGERMO wrote:
... Who is the biggest idiot? Me, the guy who paid $9 for a $3 cigar, or the guy who thinks that there should be legislation to prevent the $9 guy from buying a $3 cigar?


They all sound like great candidates.
jsccca Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 29 2014, 10:10 AM EST
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There are some cigar bidding websites which will warn you if you bid more than their posted price for that item. I see no aversion to capitalism in that warning. There are times when I'm bidding that I find I need to go figure out what they nomally charge for an item I'mm bidding on so I don't feel like an idiot when I realize I could have just made a normal purchase for less.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Aug 29 2014, 10:18 AM EST
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jsccca wrote:
There are some cigar bidding websites which will warn you if you bid more than their posted price for that item. I see no aversion to capitalism in that warning. There are times when I'm bidding that I find I need to go figure out what they nomally charge for an item I'mm bidding on so I don't feel like an idiot when I realize I could have just made a normal purchase for less.



what site is that..?? Huh
edin508 Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Aug 29 2014, 8:00 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
what site is that..?? Huh

It's a Famous auction site that you must have heard of.
QMPASH Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Aug 30 2014, 7:39 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
An alert like this would require quite a bit of programming. You've all seen the inflated MSRP that's included with the pricing. I think the overbidder would see that too.

I don't necessarily see this as our responsibility. The overwhelming number of people do fine. I think that any website - whether its an auction or even a regular retail site - has people who spend more than they should.

And just so you know - we HAVE given people that number.


I wasn't berating C-bid Trish; just extending a suggestion. It may not be C-bid's "responsibility" to alert over-bidders, but it is a policy worth reviewing. There is something unconscienable in gross overbidding in many people's minds. When someone pays 2 or 3 times the catalog or Quickbid price, it might give a responsible retailer some pause for thought. It might not bother a used car salesman, but I always thought that the purveyors of quality cigars were on a higher level than that. Perhaps I was mistaken. Shame on you
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Aug 30 2014, 11:21 AM EST
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I've seen people overbid the quick buy price, which shows that you can't fix stupid.
Abrignac Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Aug 30 2014, 11:31 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
I've been mulling this over in my head for a couple of weeks. I originally saw a post with a link to some guy from Texas who had bid about 3x for the same cigar that he could have bought at Quick Bids. I think this is/was akin to a gambling addiction. My question is this: do you think that Quick Bids should notify a bidder when he/she is seriously overbidding? I mean, it's okay to me if a person wants to be a jerk and, despite any warning(s) continues to overbid. But, in all fairness, shouldn't C-Bid at least give the guy some warning? If you're not buying a collector's item or a real limited edition, why overpay when the purpose of most auctions is to buy something a little cheaper? Confused



Two words: personal responsibility.

Who needs another nanny? If you're old enough to buy'em, you're old enough to do a little research first. It takes lest than 30 seconds to find the "street" price for anything sold on CBid.
KingoftheCove Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Aug 30 2014, 2:24 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Two words: personal responsibility.

Who needs another nanny? If you're old enough to buy'em, you're old enough to do a little research first. It takes lest than 30 seconds to find the "street" price for anything sold on CBid.

+1......
we NEED over-bidding fools
we LOVE over-bidding fools
sd72 Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Aug 30 2014, 2:51 PM EST
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We need a WGAF section.
QMPASH Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2014, 6:44 AM EST
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Personal Responsibility--Yes. Stupidity yes. On the other hand, a responsible bar does not serve a person who is obviously drunk. A responsible casino doesn't allow a known gambling addict to bet. Nor is it legal for a person who is drunk or on medication or illegal drugs to drive. Sometimes you have to look after people who can't look out for themselves. Granted, the people I mention will incur or cause greater damage than a cigar over-bidder, so the analogy isn't perfect. Used car dealers have a bad reputation because many of them not only allow a person to overpay; they actively strive to do exactly that. You could use the same argument (stupidity/personal responsibility) to justify the used car dealer's actions. However, in the case of a used car dealer, I suspect that most of the people who use the responsibility or stupidity tact in cigar over-bidding, would rage at the car dealer if they were the ones who were led down the primrose path. ThumbDown
stogiemonger Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2014, 8:55 AM EST
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Buyer Beware.
99cobra2881 Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2014, 7:06 PM EST
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Despite these threads it appears they only encourage bidders to set their max bid higher. I was hoping to snag a few more fivers tonight for my order but I'll pass cause the prices are stupid tonight.
tonygraz Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2014, 11:08 PM EST
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And they haven't been stupid since ....
cacman Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Sep 1 2014, 12:41 AM EST
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Folks will pay whatever they want to get the cigars they want, regardless if it's an overbid or over MSRP.
Why should it be the sellers responsibility to oversee/control what a person spends?
I've been banned from a couple sites for complaining about the mods dictating what the prices should be, as well as folks phishing for the best trade/highest price.
The State sin tax on tobacco varies, so for some it may be worth it.
No matter what you pay, there will always be a better price elsewhere. Just enjoy your purchase.

Besides, I heard Cbid offers Opus X's at a loss so keep on bidding!
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2014, 12:04 PM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
No, that is not what I was saying; that's your interpretation. Even when people gamble at casinos or bet on the lottery, they are warned that if they have a gambling problem, there is treatment available. Not that any of them take the advice. And, he may be stupid as some posters have suggested. He may be senile. There are all sorts of possibilities. I am just saying it would be nice of C-bid that, when they see someone seriously overbidding, to alert him to the fact. Think



Just so you know, an auction isn't the same as gambling.


Because you seem confused.
yankeelawdog Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2014, 10:49 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
So what your saying is cbid should help someone with the ability to search for better prices save money, when cbid is in the bidness of making money?

Walking away from this smh



Two men were caught on an inoperable escalator. One was outraged and screamed "why is this happening? Who is going to do something about this? How am I going to get off of here?" The other turned and walk down the steps to solid ground.
yankeelawdog Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Sep 2 2014, 10:52 PM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
So what your saying is cbid should help someone with the ability to search for better prices save money, when cbid is in the bidness of making money?

Walking away from this smh



Two men were caught on an inoperable escalator. One was outraged and screamed "why is this happening? Who is going to do something about this? How am I going to get off of here?" The other turned and walk down the steps to solid ground.
midmofan Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2014, 2:18 PM EST
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People don't seem to check even on the easy ones...

http://www.cigarbid.com/...nds-Robusto-Mazo-of-15/

Going for $25 for same thing on Mothership, same shipping price even.
KingoftheCove Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2014, 2:36 PM EST
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midmofan wrote:
People don't seem to check even on the easy ones...

http://www.cigarbid.com/...nds-Robusto-Mazo-of-15/

Going for $25 for same thing on Mothership, same shipping price even.


Not so loud!! ssshhhh.....
We NEED overbidders..........
We LOVE overbidders..........
Abrignac Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2014, 2:42 PM EST
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I find it funny that no one has mentioned the obvious. Two auctions, one 25% higher than the other. The lower one offered every other week.
midmofan Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Sep 5 2014, 2:57 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Not so loud!! ssshhhh.....
We NEED overbidders..........
We LOVE overbidders..........



Doubting overbidders read the forum. If they do they really DO need an 800 number... 1-800-CANTFIXSTUPID :)
QMPASH Offline
#50 Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2014, 7:48 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Just so you know, an auction isn't the same as gambling.


Because you seem confused.




Pray tell; just what is the difference between an auction and gambling?A person can get just as "involved" with an auction as a game of poker. A man may have a good hand in poker and still lose. The consistent winners in Poker and most forms of gambling are the ones who know when to back off. Likewiswe, in an auction, the "winners" are the ones who know when NOT to increase their bid. And, like gambling, there are those who NEVER know when to bow out. Frying pan
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