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Smoking in cigar bars, tobacco outlets ruled unconstitutional
cacman Offline
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Smoking in cigar bars, tobacco outlets ruled unconstitutional
By RILEY JOHNSON / Lincoln Journal Star

The Nebraska Supreme Court on Friday declared unconstitutional the indoor smoking ban exemptions for cigar bars and tobacco retail outlets.

In its decision, the court upheld the overall ban.

Judge Kenneth Stephan, writing for the majority, said there is no substantial difference in circumstances between cigar bars and other public places or workplaces that justifies treating them differently.

In 2008, the Nebraska Legislature amended the Nebraska Clean Indoor Act to make it “unlawful for any person to smoke in a place of employment or a public place.”

But they provided exemptions for hotel guestrooms, indoor areas used for research on the health effects of smoking, and tobacco retail outlets defined as businesses that only sell tobacco or related products.

The next year, they added another exemption for cigar bars, which they defined as any business receiving at least 10 percent of its annual revenue from cigar sales, with a walk-in humidor on site and one that doesn't allow cigarette smoking.

Big John's Billiards, an Omaha billiards hall, has fought the state's smoking ban since its inception.

Friday's decision followed a 2011 decision by a Lancaster County judge that all three smoking exemptions involving businesses were unconstitutional.

Since the 2011 ruling, the case has been appealed several times before ultimately reaching the state's highest court.

In that time, the exempted businesses continued to allow smoking. It wasn't immediately clear what impact Friday's decision would have on existing businesses exempted from the ban.

The Supreme Court ruled that only the hotel guestrooms exemption is constitutional, because the evidence against it doesn't overcome its presumption of constitutionality, Stephan wrote.

That's not the case for tobacco retail outlets and cigar bars, he said.

"Allowing patrons of such shops to smoke simply because it is convenient does not comport with the purpose of the Act, which is to protect the public and employees from the dangers of second-hand smoke," Stephan wrote.

The justices noted that senators in discussion of the 2009 cigar bar exception said those joints existed to allow smoking.

Stephan called that reasoning "directly contrary" to the Act's purpose.

In a 2011 ruling, Lancaster County Judge Jodi Nelson said the smoking ban exceptions for businesses were unconstitutional and that they could be severed from the ban.

Friday's decision affirmed Nelson's decision in part.

Stephan said the lower court misapplied the special legislation test and erred in determining the hotel guestrooms exception was unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court judges heard oral arguments from Big John's Billiards Attorney Ted Boecker and Assistant Nebraska Attorney General Dale Comer in May.

There are 11 active cigar bars across the state, according to Nebraska Liquor Control Commission license data. Three are in Lincoln -- Jake's, Rich Bar & Lounge, and AlSultan.

Judge William Cassel dissented in part and Judge John Wright did not participate.

Cassel agreed with the majority's view on the cigar bar and guestroom exemptions but said the tobacco retail outlet exemption is different and should be constitutional.

People who go into those businesses do so to buy tobacco and tobacco products and use it despite its related risks, Cassel wrote.

"There is no rationale for a patron to enter a tobacco retail outlet other than to facilitate his or her access to firsthand smoke."

This is a developing story. Stay with JournalStar.com for updates.

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TheSmokensip Offline
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I don't see how the act's purpose of limiting exposure (involuntarily) to second hand smoke should apply to an establishment that exists solely to provide for the firsthand exposure to tobacco smoke....

onlyabill Offline
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There you go, trotting out some of that so called "logic". We don't need none of that round here! We be judges n stuff.
Abrignac Offline
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Kinda strange ruling. If the legislature has the right to ban, it would seem the also have the right to un-ban or create exemptions as long it does not unfairly discriminate against a protected class.
99cobra2881 Offline
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Nebraskachusettes???

The bastards should've changed the name of the state while they were at it.
deadeyedick Offline
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Another score for the smoke Nazis.
TMCTLT Offline
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Indianapolis had a smoking ban in place That Was Lifted During The Super Bowl held here a couple years ago.....our
f* cking elected officials pass these miserable Laws banning private businesses Constitutional rights to THEIR establishments but then park them briefly so they can FILL THEIR COFFERS.....Bastards fog
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Second hand smoke is a real concern for people going into tobacco shops to buy vapors. Cigar smokers don't want to go to a cigarette shop/lounge. People, unite...unite to stand down. There is no reason to take up your pitch forks and rods of fire. Just move away from whatever that state is and enter one more accepting of you. Come on out to Virginia where we tax you for buying, tax you for selling, tax you because you own it, tax you because you earned it, and even tax you because you gave it away. Oh, and don't forget the tax money we need to acquire to pay for all this tax collecting. We do typically have nice roads though.
Weapon X Offline
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Well that just sucks !
frankj1 Offline
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99cobra2881 wrote:
Nebraskachusettes???

The bastards should've changed the name of the state while they were at it.

pretty sure we can still smoke in certain bars, clubs, and definitely in cigar shops here in Massachusetts. We don't even have the highest taxes in the country, not low, but not the most.
99cobra2881 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
pretty sure we can still smoke in certain bars, clubs, and definitely in cigar shops here in Massachusetts. We don't even have the highest taxes in the country, not low, but not the most.


How about out on a golf course?
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99cobra2881 wrote:
How about out on a golf course?

hmmm, unaware of any state laws. I don't play that often anymore but have never been approached on a public or private course by course rangers and I always smoke cigars when golfing.

More than likely it has been left to local control.

99cobra2881 Offline
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We'll no offense intended, thought I had heard that Mass. banned smoking on golf courses. I am probably mistaken.
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99cobra2881 wrote:
We'll no offense intended, thought I had heard that Mass. banned smoking on golf courses. I am probably mistaken.

You are sadly correct, I heard the same thing. Good thing I don't golf.
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I'm glad I live in a state that still believes in the God given rights of individuals under the Constitution of the United States of America.
cacman Offline
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Can't smoke on a golf course or any other public area out here. Many leases and HOA's forbid smoking in your own home.
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99cobra2881 wrote:
We'll no offense intended, thought I had heard that Mass. banned smoking on golf courses. I am probably mistaken.

no offense taken, I really don't know if they have banned smoking on courses, just know that no one has ever approached me to stop. My good bud Edin says they have so it must be true.

Sad.
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And people wonder why I keep going back to sea. No smoking ban on my vessel. As long as you are on deck, or in certain areas of the vessel that do not pose an explosion or fire hazard, the smoking lamp is lit.Herfing
Bur Offline
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"The smoking lamp is lighted in all authorized spaces".

Got the last of my drunk underbidding shipments-PM me the best addy (NORCAL, wanderings or the ship) and some jumbo mugs and more pipe baccy sampling will be on it's way, Spectre.
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cacman wrote:
Can't smoke on a golf course or any other public area out here. Many leases and HOA's forbid smoking in your own home.


Wait, what? You can smoke weed wide open, but you can't have a cigarConfused
cacman Offline
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nolen wrote:
Wait, what? You can smoke weed wide open, but you can't have a cigarConfused

Nope, you can't smoke ANYTHING in any public area, MMJ included. This includes Forestry Service and BLM land.
Ironically though MMJ is taxed 15%, recreational is taxed 25%, but tobacco products are taxed 40%. Go figure.
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I smoke wherever I want. Just like ODB said......

"You don't want.....

You don't want. .....

You don't want **** with meeeeeeeeeeee"
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I fail to see how this would be "unconstitutional." Many of the founding fathers fathers were smokers. In fact, when the Constitution was being debated, many of the representatives were smoking during the debate. The judge was stating his personal opinion, not an impartial analysis of the law. On the other hand, most justices are mere political hacks who "earned" their position through a connection to another politician in return for some favor done in the past. Shame on you
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nolen wrote:
I'm glad I live in a state that still believes in the God given rights of individuals under the Constitution of the United States of America.



Amen brother....Amen fog ( Al least for now )
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Bur wrote:
"The smoking lamp is lighted in all authorized spaces".

Got the last of my drunk underbidding shipments-PM me the best addy (NORCAL, wanderings or the ship) and some jumbo mugs and more pipe baccy sampling will be on it's way, Spectre.




PM Sent...Herfing


Thanks Bro!
TMCTLT Offline
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Bur wrote:
"The smoking lamp is lighted in all authorized spaces".

Got the last of my drunk underbidding shipments-PM me the best addy (NORCAL, wanderings or the ship) and some jumbo mugs and more pipe baccy sampling will be on it's way, Spectre.



Applause
Stinkdyr Offline
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Your gubment knows best for you. Just send in your $, and axe em fur permission to do stuff. They'll let you know how you are allowd to liv yur life. Yall needz to BELEEEEVe in yur gubment.
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