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AVO XO robusto?
Porksoda Offline
#1 Posted:
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Hey all,


They have an auction for AVO XO robusto 5/50. I cant find that size anywhere. I can find the Intermezzo 5.5/50, but not an XO robusto. What gives? Are these an exclusive?
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Porksoda wrote:
Hey all,


They have an auction for AVO XO robusto 5/50. I cant find that size anywhere. I can find the Intermezzo 5.5/50, but not an XO robusto. What gives? Are these an exclusive?

They're SUPPOSED to exclusive to Platinum Plus members only!
Are you a hacker??
Porksoda Offline
#3 Posted:
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too busy smoking to hack
delta1 Offline
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Hmmmmmm...has AVO joined Graycliff's and Gurkha's business model?

Any info on this, Trish?
Porksoda Offline
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^ This
opelmanta1900 Offline
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almost certainly a typo... CI parenthetically lists the Intermezzo as a robusto...
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delta1 wrote:
Hmmmmmm...has AVO joined Graycliff's and Gurkha's business model?

Any info on this, Trish?



I believe this size is exclusive to us. We use it in sampler and such. the Intermezzo is 5.5 x 50 so its not a big change to shorten it by 1/2 inch.
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Thanks for the answer Trish, and just to be clear they are not made " under licence", they are AVO's that are made in a special size just for you guys, correct?
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Porksoda wrote:
Thanks for the answer Trish, and just to be clear they are not made " under licence", they are AVO's that are made in a special size just for you guys, correct?


questions like that will have you sharing a grave with dpnewell...
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delta1 wrote:
Hmmmmmm...has AVO joined Graycliff's and Gurkha's business model?



apparently so... I really didn't think it would be...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
questions like that will have you sharing a grave with dpnewell...

OhMyGod
RIP DP
delta1 Offline
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Here's a link to a thread about AVO cigars a couple of weeks ago:



http://www.cigarbid.com/...posts/641557/AVO-cigars



delta1 wrote:
I like AVO too, but it seems like the last batch of XO's and Domaine's had a slight harshness to the taste that I didn't notice in the past. Some of the creaminess in the XO was also missing. Hope this isn't a sign of things to come...

jespear wrote:
Maybe AVO struck a deal with CBid or CI. Think Sarcasm




Dang, jespear nailed it. That's messed up.....(not you, jes)
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Oooooops, where are my manners?


Thanks for the response and info, Trish. Don't worry, we still love you despite the news you bring. We know you're the messenger, not the messingupper...


Hey Porksoda, why don't you pick up an AVO robusto from CBid and taste test it against an Intermezzo from some other place that we'll not mention, and let us know what you think?
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delta1 wrote:
Oooooops, where are my manners?


Thanks for the response and info, Trish. Don't worry, we still love you despite the news you bring. We know you're the messenger, not the messingupper...


Hey Porksoda, why don't you pick up an AVO robusto from CBid and taste test it against an Intermezzo from some other place that we'll not mention, and let us know what you think?






Actually I did pick some up and have some Intermezzos from a couple years ago, so this might be a good idea.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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my advice to you would be come back on in a day or two and just say that you smoked them both and they are exactly the same... say there is no difference between the two...

CI/cbid are not making sub-imitation AVO XO's and then slapping identical bands on them and then selling them under the same name...

they are not kicking the guy who makes the real ones a few bucks in return for permission to use said bands...

that's not what's happening, the two cigars will not be distinctly different from one another, and dpnewell is not dead or harmed in any way... he lives in a condominium in boca raton under the name clive henry fuglsby where he makes a modest living cobbling shoes for cuban immigrant dancers...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
my advice to you would be come back on in a day or two and just say that you smoked them both and they are exactly the same... say there is no difference between the two...

CI/cbid are not making sub-imitation AVO XO's and then slapping identical bands on them and then selling them under the same name...

they are not kicking the guy who makes the real ones a few bucks in return for permission to use said bands...

that's not what's happening, the two cigars will not be distinctly different from one another, and dpnewell is not dead or harmed in any way... he lives in a condominium in boca raton under the name clive henry fuglsby where he makes a modest living cobbling shoes for cuban immigrant dancers...

speaking of "thin ice" and joining DP............dude!
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Porksoda Offline
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Hey Trish,

Still waiting for clarity on this. As I asked after your last statement, these XO's are an exclusive size for you guys, but are not made "under license", they are from AVO?

An answer here would go a long way.

Thanks in advance.
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Porksoda wrote:
Hey Trish,

Still waiting for clarity on this. As I asked after your last statement, these XO's are an exclusive size for you guys, but are not made "under license", they are from AVO?

An answer here would go a long way.

Thanks in advance.

Hey Pork.....................let me introduce you to DP Newell..........
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I dont know who that is, nor do I care. I asked a simple question and expect a simple answer. I am not trying to play gotcha, but my hard earned dollars are at play here, I take that seriously.
KingoftheCove Offline
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simple?...............hmmmm....................."licensing agreements", "under license", "exclusive rights", manufacturing and marketing "agreements", "brand name" rights.....................all very simple I guess.......

Trish will come in here and explain it all.................I'm sure it's really simple
Porksoda Offline
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Actually it is simple. Are the cigars made by AVO in a special size just for them, or are they made for this site under licence.. Someone needs to address this don't you think?
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Fair question I'd be curious to hear the answer to.
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Of course you should get an answer.
So let us say AVO "makes" them in a special size for this site.......................is it the same tobacco as the 5.5? Same tobacco ratios? Same torcedors? Same amount of "storage" time before shipping, etc.

Lots of variables here, and that's just in the case that AVO IS in fact making them for here.......

If it's some other arrangement, as in "Under License", well then the variables increase exponentially.......
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bs_kwaj wrote:
http://www.cigarbid.com/Auction/Lot/1834229/AVO-XO-Robusto-5-Cigars/

Interesting that these are described as 5x50 and the robustos over at CI are 5.5x50.

Heck, I don't care. I bid anyway. Beer
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Of course you should get an answer.
So let us say AVO "makes" them in a special size for this site.......................is it the same tobacco as the 5.5? Same tobacco ratios? Same torcedors? Same amount of "storage" time before shipping, etc.

Lots of variables here, and that's just in the case that AVO IS in fact making them for here.......

If it's some other arrangement, as in "Under License", well then the variables increase exponentially.......



Exactly correct. The diff is that if AVO is making them, then they would use the same XO blend and just make them shorter. They would be an AVO blended cigar. But, if they are under license, then all that goes out the window. Thats why I am being a little fussy about this. If I pay for AVO blend and quality I want AVO blend and quality.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
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For the small cost difference, I personally wouldn't bother with some mystery "exclusive".
delta1 Offline
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The "difference" may explain the drop in the floor price on Free Fall and other auctions and more frequent offerings of the XO here.

I was very happy with the last score of XO and Domaines, until I smoked them...
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KingoftheCove wrote:
speaking of "thin ice" and joining DP............dude!


See? I did everything I could to put the heat on myself and convince this guy to just walk away...

but in truth porky, please give dp my hello's... I heard they lined his sport's coat with ron mexico's after they did the deed so at least you'll have something to smoke...
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delta1 wrote:
The "difference" may explain the drop in the floor price on Free Fall and other auctions and more frequent offerings of the XO here.

I was very happy with the last score of XO and Domaines, until I smoked them...


Were the ones you won this new "exclusive" size? Or a regular production cigar?
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bs_kwaj wrote:
Interesting that these are described as 5x50 and the robustos over at CI are 5.5x50.

Heck, I don't care. I bid anyway. Beer


You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...

Herfing
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
For the small cost difference, I personally wouldn't bother with some mystery "exclusive".

^^This
And I ask myself.....

Why are they even bothering to make another, virtually "identical" line?

Makes me wonder......
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Porksoda wrote:
If I pay for AVO blend and quality I want AVO blend and quality.


well you are almost certainly not getting it... you're probably getting a cbid quality, cbid exclusive... just like the gurkha's here, just like the graycliff's, and - ya I'll say it - just like the la perla's that go dpnewell killed...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
well you are almost certainly not getting it... you're probably getting a cbid quality, cbid exclusive... just like the gurkha's here, just like the graycliff's, and - ya I'll say it - just like the la perla's that go dpnewell killed...

OhMyGod


Anxious
opelmanta1900 Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
^^This
And I ask myself.....

Why are they even bothering to make another, virtually "identical" line?

Makes me wonder......


because if an AVO costs them $2 and they sell it for $3, they didn't even double their money...

if they make they're own AVO for $.25 and sell it for the same $3 the real AVO's go for, they just made 12 times their money...

by the time we are having this conversation, plenty of people have been already duped, plenty of money has already been made...

they do it because a dishonest dollar still just counts as a dollar to the accounting department...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
because if an AVO costs them $2 and they sell it for $3, they didn't even double their money...

if they make they're own AVO for $.25 and sell it for the same $3 the real AVO's go for, they just made 12 times their money...

by the time we are having this conversation, plenty of people have been already duped, plenty of money has already been made...

they do it because a dishonest dollar still just counts as a dollar to the accounting department...

OhMyGod







give my regards to DP
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In all fairness, I think we need to give Trish a chance to answer before jumping to conclusions about these cigars. There could be any number of reasons they exist, and not all are devious. The question (post #8) was posted after 5 PM EST on a Friday, at 5:13 to be specific, if you look at Trish's profile page ( http://www.cigarbid.com/...le/71597/TrishSCigarBid ), her last login/activity was at 5:08; five minutes before the question was asked. It stands to reason that she might not have even seen the question yet.
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
For the small cost difference, I personally wouldn't bother with some mystery "exclusive".




Correct sir! This will be the path I take going forward. It's a shame that a brand such as AVO has this type of thing attached to it here.
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Were the ones you won this new "exclusive" size? Or a regular production cigar?



I checked to see what I bought, about 6 months ago: The XOs were labeled Intermezzo at 5.5 x 50 and the Domaines were labeled robustos at 5 x 50, not 5 1/8 x 50 as listed by AVO.


I might do the taste test myself because I like the XO line, which has been very consistent until the last batch I bought here.

Porksoda Offline
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I think I will apply this to the Monte Cristo churchill "Extra"s as well. Couldnt find that size anywhere else either.
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
In all fairness, I think we need to give Trish a chance to answer before jumping to conclusions about these cigars. There could be any number of reasons they exist, and not all are devious. The question (post #8) was posted after 5 PM EST on a Friday, at 5:13 to be specific, if you look at Trish's profile page ( http://www.cigarbid.com/...le/71597/TrishSCigarBid ), her last login/activity was at 5:08; five minutes before the question was asked. It stands to reason that she might not have even seen the question yet.

looks to me like question #8 was posted at 4:13pm.....
but whatever........Trish has not seen the entire thread I'm guessing
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Trish responded at 3:45 yesterday. Said it was an exclusive size for them, but did not say whether or not they were from AVO or licensed. Thats why I asked for clarification.
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Trish has not seen the entire thread I'm guessing



obviously not... I can still post...
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KingoftheCove wrote:
looks to me like question #8 was posted at 4:13pm.....
but whatever........Trish has not seen the entire thread I'm guessing


One of us has the time zone setting in the CP wrong then.
http://www.cigarbid.com/FORUM/c/cp_editsettings/

Regardless of what time zone is set, if you look at Trish's profile, her last activity was still 5 minutes before the second question (post 8) regarding clarifying if these were made by Davidoff (who makes AVO) or they were under license or something else was asked.
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
In all fairness, I think we need to give Trish a chance to answer before jumping to conclusions about these cigars. There could be any number of reasons they exist, and not all are devious. The question (post #8) was posted after 5 PM EST on a Friday, at 5:13 to be specific, if you look at Trish's profile page ( http://www.cigarbid.com/...le/71597/TrishSCigarBid ), her last login/activity was at 5:08; five minutes before the question was asked. It stands to reason that she might not have even seen the question yet.


I agree, it's very possible AVO rolls these up for cigarbid...

out of curiosity, how common is it for a cigar roller to make cigars in several different vitolas - all the same blend - but then make one of those vitolas only available at a discount auction site? Very common, slightly common, not so common, or unheard of?
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I agree, it's very possible AVO rolls these up for cigarbid...

out of curiosity, how common is it for a cigar roller to make cigars in several different vitolas - all the same blend - but then make one of those vitolas only available at a discount auction site? Very common, slightly common, not so common, or unheard of?


What percentage, I could not say, but just about all the big operations have exclusives or custom sizes. One can have a lot of pull being able to write big checks up front in an industry where you have to sit on product for a year or two and hope it will make you money in the end. These appear to be mostly a CI sampler size and it looks like some ended up here but I found them at a competitor too, and it's a not a competitor that shares the same street address.
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interesting... well I e-mailed AVO and gave them the link to this thread... wonder if we'll hear from them on the subject...
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that would be interesting if they do. I hope all is above board and these are a special roll from AVO just for CBID/CI, that would be cool with me, just as long as AVO i rolling.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...

Herfing


I'm really kinda outta my league here with some of you exspurts.

Beer
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
What percentage, I could not say, but just about all the big operations have exclusives or custom sizes. One can have a lot of pull being able to write big checks up front in an industry where you have to sit on product for a year or two and hope it will make you money in the end. These appear to be mostly a CI sampler size and it looks like some ended up here but I found them at a competitor too, and it's a not a competitor that shares the same street address.



And just about every one of those companies promote the hell out of them as if they are LEs or something.
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