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gary96 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 9:23 AM EST
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I find it interesting how a Cigar of the Year can be modified and still be classified as a Cigar of the Year. I cut and paste this from another site about Oliva's Serie V Maduro: "This latest release replaces the original Ecuadoran Sumatra wrapper with a Mexican San Andrés Maduro leaf." If you change the wrapper from a Sumatra to a Maduro from another country...why would you still think it resembles...compares...is worth as much as the original?

I'll actually go one step further, now that I am on my soap box. In the wine industry, a great wine is for a very specific year and vintage. The 2007 Wine of the Year was Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2005. If someone tried to pass off a Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2007 or 2008 as a Wine of the year, they would get blasted out of the saddle. But in the cigar industry once a cigar makes Cigar of the Year, it always seems to hold that distinction, regardless of how long ago it was and how much the cigar may have changed.
deadeyedick Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 10:14 AM EST
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Yep. One reason I think ALL cigars should have the year produced right on the band and boxes.

DED
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 10:30 AM EST
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I'm with ****** on this.
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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The Oliva V line has four separate branches: the Oliva V, the Oliva V Maduro, the Oliva V Melanio and the Oliva V Melanio Maduro. They are different cigars. The Oliva V Melanio was anointed CA's cigar of the year for 2014. CA and other publications have given accolades to the other V's over the years.

I do agree with the concept of marking each label of all cigars with the year it was produced, as very few lines remain consistent over the years. The LGD Small Batches have come close to this by numbering each release, and are up to 5 (V) now. I've had the 2 - 5, and all have been wonderful cigars, but different from the others.
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 12:47 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Yep. One reason I think ALL cigars should have the year produced right on the band and boxes.

DED


+1!!



Gary, I don't disagree, but then again, I don't fully understand.

The '08 V Maduro (NOT S.A.) is one of my favorite cigars; and I am still disappointed they switched wrappers in '09.

However, the V Maduro isn't even on the lists that I saw.

The Melanio is the CA top cigar of 2014...

.....BUT....as an aside and nearly unrelated note, I don't think the Melanio should have been called an Oliva V - anything....regardless of the year...since it is so much different than the core V line.

Good comparison point, delta...the LG SB's are 'named' differently....I just wish the bands were distinct.

And, while we're at it, how about the Viaje Holiday Blends???? One year they got it right (2010), but just try and figure out what year the one in your hand is from....the variance is 1-4 pts of RG.....and/or 1/4" or less in length....maddening
KingoftheCove Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 1:21 PM EST
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In general, a typical box of good cigars, contains 5 to 10 times the "production variables" of a good case of wine.
That said, it would still be nice if each box had a simple to decipher "date boxed" date....... and nicer still that was also somehow placed on individual labels.
But then, what does that really tell us? The date the cigar was put into boxes....................so what.
What I really want to know is when the cigar was rolled.......................but that becomes a real headache to track and monitor.

We're doomed to perpetually be at the mercy of the cigar gods..................plain and simple.
Bass man Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 6:38 PM EST
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gary96 wrote:
I find it interesting how a Cigar of the Year can be modified and still be classified as a Cigar of the Year. I cut and paste this from another site about Oliva's Serie V Maduro: "This latest release replaces the original Ecuadoran Sumatra wrapper with a Mexican San Andrés Maduro leaf." If you change the wrapper from a Sumatra to a Maduro from another country...why would you still think it resembles...compares...is worth as much as the original?

I'll actually go one step further, now that I am on my soap box. In the wine industry, a great wine is for a very specific year and vintage. The 2007 Wine of the Year was Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2005. If someone tried to pass off a Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2007 or 2008 as a Wine of the year, they would get blasted out of the saddle. But in the cigar industry once a cigar makes Cigar of the Year, it always seems to hold that distinction, regardless of how long ago it was and how much the cigar may have changed.

Ummm if your talking about the much over rated CA cigar of the year it still would be the Sumatra wrapper! And if you want to make a stink out of things I was hoping it would come close to the mb#2! But if your question is if it's a maduro or Sumatra I suggest you read it a couple more times before complaining since your in the wrong even though yeah it's not cigar of the year
gary96 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Dec 29 2014, 7:32 PM EST
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Bass man wrote:
Ummm if your talking about the much over rated CA cigar of the year it still would be the Sumatra wrapper! And if you want to make a stink out of things I was hoping it would come close to the mb#2! But if your question is if it's a maduro or Sumatra I suggest you read it a couple more times before complaining since your in the wrong even though yeah it's not cigar of the year

Hmmm...maybe you should read things a few more times before commenting.
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