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The Worst Pipe Tobacco
QMPASH Offline
#1 Posted:
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My thread on worst cigars is going so good (never expected it) I decided to try one on pipe tobacco. Any of the "value" tobaccos such as Ohm. They are called pipe tobaccos, but they are really for azzholes who smoke cigarettes and roll their own, on the cheap. I do not care for any aromatic with a cherry flavor and, in fact, do not care for aromatics like Borkham Riff or Captain Black because of their heavy, sweet, gooey chemical taste. My real hate is for Mixture #79, which has to be the worst tobacco going but it still sells, to my amazement.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Samuel Gawith 1792 flake.


*BLECH*!!!!
Bur Offline
#3 Posted:
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Yeah, I got a Captain Black sampler and most of them have a soapy taste, especially if not smoked bone dry in my limited experience.

And plan to keep it limited.

On the opposite end of the spectrum as cheap pipe baccy I like goes is John Bull Royal English blend. Never paid more than $1 a pouch on here. RIP
Whistlebritches Offline
#4 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Samuel Gawith 1792 flake.


*BLECH*!!!!


+1

I've revisited it 3 or 4 times all with the same results........UNSMOKABLE
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted:
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Most of the old cherry blends could put a hurtin' on your tongue. I can't remember the bad ones I threw out back in the day when I mostly smoked a pipe.



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QMPASH Offline
#6 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Samuel Gawith 1792 flake.


*BLECH*!!!!

I got one that looked like a freshly laid piece of dog poop. Only way I could smoke it was by mixing it with another tobacco or two.
hoyodude Offline
#7 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Samuel Gawith 1792 flake.


*BLECH*!!!!


awww...you guys is candy-azzs. 1792 is the bomb. definitely needs a dedicated pipe though.

worst pipe tobacco I've had was some crappy drugstore house brand cherry garbage. made me want to throw the pipe away with the barely lit bowl.
danmdevries Offline
#8 Posted:
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Never had the 1792. But I did try tambolaka once. Nasty stuff.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Tambolaka is funky and rough. I like occasionally mixing it with a lighter blend.

I'd gladly send you my remaining 1792 Dan!
Bur Offline
#10 Posted:
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A buddy smokes SuperValu Cherry by the jumbo bag and "gifted" me a smaller pouch. Didn't kill me, but was about like smoking shredded cardboard mixed with a crushed Luden's lozenge

Also had some fairly flavorless Pippa Vanilla Cavendish as part of that deal on the mothership (Pipe, cool sticker of "Pippa" and a pouch of the baccy). Keep it instead of tossing as a mindless working on something else smoke.
jjanecka Offline
#11 Posted:
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Just curious, but what are the advantages of a pipe vs. Cigar?
danmdevries Offline
#12 Posted:
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Pipes a lot cheaper and don't need to dedicate much time to smoking if you don't want.
Bur Offline
#13 Posted:
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If you like a bit more gear and fussing around, packing a pipe, lighting, tamping, re-lighting and tamping as you smoke adds to the experience.

If not, probably firing up a cigar and being done messing with it would appeal to you more.

I find my attitude changes back and forth but I tend to like the "ritual" of pipe smoking a bit more. YMMV

And what Dan said
jjanecka Offline
#14 Posted:
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Sounds terrible. Lol thanks.
Bur Offline
#15 Posted:
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BTW did everyone get the Lane e-mail from the mother ship? Any recommendations or interest in a split?

Not a big aro smoker, but if someone is and could spare a few ounces on a favorite I might bite.
QMPASH Offline
#16 Posted:
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Bur wrote:
If you like a bit more gear and fussing around, packing a pipe, lighting, tamping, re-lighting and tamping as you smoke adds to the experience.

If not, probably firing up a cigar and being done messing with it would appeal to you more.

I find my attitude changes back and forth but I tend to like the "ritual" of pipe smoking a bit more. YMMV

And what Dan said


Agree with you, at least in part. It depends upon the tobacco you use. Some require "aging" (drying out) before lighting up. I have had similar problems with some cigars that require constant re-lights. As a consequence, I find myself alternating between 'gars and pipes.
tonygraz Offline
#17 Posted:
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I just got a prior order from them and I haven't even opened the lane tobacco to try it yet. I also found a container of old pipe tobacco in the garage labeled "peach". It still had some aroma, so I dropped a humidifier in the container and will try it soon to see if it's one of the worst.
Herfosaurus Offline
#18 Posted:
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1792 is an acquired taste ... the casing they use (tonquin) is unique. But, IMO, 1792 is not inherently bad, at least not from a quality perspective.

Drugstore tobacco is usually very low-quality leaf. Add massive quantities of humectant and cheap aromatic casing, and you're guaranteed to produce a lousy smoking experience.

That said, my personal favorite for worst pipe tobacco is just about anything made by Cornell & Diehl (under their own name, not tobaccos they make for other labels). Their stuff is priced and tinned like premium pipe tobacco, but it's pretty low-grade tobacco, and the blending always seems to be just a little bit off. I remember getting sample bags at pipe shows, trying a dozen blands, and they all sucked. Nice people, crummy product.

FYI, that Lane email had some great prices. Last I knew, B&M's pay at least $100 for five-pound bags of that stuff. So $27.50 a pound isn't bad. You probably already know this, but:

RLP-6 ----> Captain Black Original (White)
1Q ----> Captain Black Royal
MV-1000 ----> Captain Black Gold

Supposedly, the bulk versions use a higher grade of leaf than the pouch/tinned versions. At the very least, they have far less PG. I'm not a big Lane fan, but I'll smoke MV-1000 if it's all that's available.


Whistlebritches Offline
#19 Posted:
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Herfosaurus wrote:
1792 is an acquired taste ... the casing they use (tonquin) is unique. But, IMO, 1792 is not inherently bad, at least not from a quality perspective.

Drugstore tobacco is usually very low-quality leaf. Add massive quantities of humectant and cheap aromatic casing, and you're guaranteed to produce a lousy smoking experience.

That said, my personal favorite for worst pipe tobacco is just about anything made by Cornell & Diehl (under their own name, not tobaccos they make for other labels). Their stuff is priced and tinned like premium pipe tobacco, but it's pretty low-grade tobacco, and the blending always seems to be just a little bit off. I remember getting sample bags at pipe shows, trying a dozen blands, and they all sucked. Nice people, crummy product.

FYI, that Lane email had some great prices. Last I knew, B&M's pay at least $100 for five-pound bags of that stuff. So $27.50 a pound isn't bad. You probably already know this, but:

RLP-6 ----> Captain Black Original (White)
1Q ----> Captain Black Royal
MV-1000 ----> Captain Black Gold

Supposedly, the bulk versions use a higher grade of leaf than the pouch/tinned versions. At the very least, they have far less PG. I'm not a big Lane fan, but I'll smoke MV-1000 if it's all that's available.




Have you tried any of C&D's vapers?Kickin Chicken,Chenet's Cake and Bayou Morning are some of my faves.If not and you'd like to try them,all but Kickin Chicken,it was limited and believe me it went quick,I'd be happy to share some samples with you.
Bur Offline
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Vaping? Really WhistleBritches?

Ha ha I think you meant C&D VaPers, but ya know "assuming" does things, and around here ya never know
Herfosaurus Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Have you tried any of C&D's vapers?Kickin Chicken,Chenet's Cake and Bayou Morning are some of my faves.If not and you'd like to try them,all but Kickin Chicken,it was limited and believe me it went quick,I'd be happy to share some samples with you.


Your Perique tolerance is higher than mine.

I've smoked a lot of Virginia-Perique blends, including all three that you mentioned. My issue with all of them is the same ... IMO, C & D tends to go overboard where Perique is concerned.

IIRC, Kickin Chicken was blended for an online group; I thought it was OK at first, but pretty heavy-handed with the perique. It got old in a hurry.

Chenet's Cake I found absolutely unsmokable ... just because you can create a blend that's 1/3 Perique, doesn't mean you should. I never made it past the first bowl.

Of the three, I'd be most likely to smoke Bayou Morning, but I still think it's fundamentally unbalanced. I understand there's a flake now that has even more Perique than the original blend. That I have not tried (and won't).

By way of taste calibration, a few of my favorite VA/Perique blends are Solani 633, Escudo, and McClelland 2015 (if you don't mind a little ketchup ;-).

Whistlebritches Offline
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Herfosaurus wrote:
Your Perique tolerance is higher than mine.

IIRC, Kickin Chicken was blended for an online group; I thought it was OK at first, but pretty heavy-handed with the perique. It got old in a hurry.

Chenet's Cake I found absolutely unsmokable ... just because you can create a blend that's 1/3 Perique, doesn't mean you should. I never made it past the first bowl.

By way of taste calibration, a few of my favorite VA/Perique blends are Solani 633, Escudo, and McClelland 2015 (if you don't mind a little ketchup ;-).



Must be........I love perique and blend more into most vapers and all straight virginias.

Yes Kickin Chicken was a LE for an online group.........I thought the perique was spot on.

Chenet's Cake is pretty spicy.........some slumber will do it good.

Love Solani 633,Escudo and the Mc 2015..........but again,I love vapers.
Bur Offline
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About to win a tin of Davidoff Blue on here (unless one of you azzhats snipe me....don't really mind since it's my only "win" for this shipping period at the present)

Any good?
hoyodude Offline
#24 Posted:
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Herfosaurus wrote:
.............That said, my personal favorite for worst pipe tobacco is just about anything made by Cornell & Diehl (under their own name, not tobaccos they make for other labels). Their stuff is priced and tinned like premium pipe tobacco, but it's pretty low-grade tobacco, and the blending always seems to be just a little bit off. I remember getting sample bags at pipe shows, trying a dozen blands, and they all sucked. Nice people, crummy product....


I've been a fan of many of C&D's blends for years. I used to enjoy the fact that you could have a conversation with Craig and he was good at steering you right or helping your own blend. One thing I found consistent with his bulk blends was they would ALWAYS benefit from a little aging after you received it. I learned that well when a blend I thought I didn't care for at all was transformed after a years aging. Quality of the tobacco they use has never been an issue. I recently bought a couple blends after not smoking any C&D for a few years (Old Joe Krantz and Habana Daydream and not bad price at all) and both are tasty right away although I know the OJK will be better in a few months to a year. I'm an instant fan of the HD.

Just my experience, everyone's palate is different and I gravitate to stronger tobaccos and lots of perique, but C&D has always been a quality brand.
Herfosaurus Offline
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hoyodude wrote:
I've been a fan of many of C&D's blends for years. I used to enjoy the fact that you could have a conversation with Craig and he was good at steering you right or helping your own blend. One thing I found consistent with his bulk blends was they would ALWAYS benefit from a little aging after you received it. I learned that well when a blend I thought I didn't care for at all was transformed after a years aging. Quality of the tobacco they use has never been an issue. I recently bought a couple blends after not smoking any C&D for a few years (Old Joe Krantz and Habana Daydream and not bad price at all) and both are tasty right away although I know the OJK will be better in a few months to a year. I'm an instant fan of the HD.

Just my experience, everyone's palate is different and I gravitate to stronger tobaccos and lots of perique, but C&D has always been a quality brand.


Agree about Craig ... C&D has always been a great group of people.

What I could never understand, though, was how Greg Pease's stuff - which is tinned by C&D - always seemed to have higher quality leaf than C&D's own blends.
marc palanzo Offline
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Herfosaurus wrote:
Your Perique tolerance is higher than mine.

I've smoked a lot of Virginia-Perique blends, including all three that you mentioned. My issue with all of them is the same ... IMO, C & D tends to go overboard where Perique is concerned.

IIRC, Kickin Chicken was blended for an online group; I thought it was OK at first, but pretty heavy-handed with the perique. It got old in a hurry.

Chenet's Cake I found absolutely unsmokable ... just because you can create a blend that's 1/3 Perique, doesn't mean you should. I never made it past the first bowl.

Of the three, I'd be most likely to smoke Bayou Morning, but I still think it's fundamentally unbalanced. I understand there's a flake now that has even more Perique than the original blend. That I have not tried (and won't).

By way of taste calibration, a few of my favorite VA/Perique blends are Solani 633, Escudo, and McClelland 2015 (if you don't mind a little ketchup ;-).



Escudo is a fine VA/Perique, but I think that St. James Flake may be the Holy Grail of VA/Pers.
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