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SammyETN Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 12:39 PM EST
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I realized this morning that CBid needs to modify their forum rules so that you can mention the bad experiences you have had with other sites. It would make them look so good in comparison.
dkeage Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 12:43 PM EST
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Brick wall
SammyETN wrote:
I realized this morning that CBid needs to modify their forum rules so that you can mention the bad experiences you have had with other sites. It would make them look so good in comparison.



YOU people........
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 12:46 PM EST
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Cbid has rules about that? Never knew. I thought most of their rules concentrated around cursing and posting competitor info. Oh well.
bloody spaniard Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 1:13 PM EST
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Sammy. your brain must hurt from all that thinkin'. d'oh!
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 1:23 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
I realized this morning that CBid needs to modify their forum rules so that you can mention the bad experiences you have had with other sites. It would make them look so good in comparison.


Why, so other sites will allow CBid to get trashed?
So that CBid can get it can get sued for slander or liable?

Give us a break with such nonsense.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 1:30 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Why, so other sites will allow CBid to get trashed?
So that CBid can get it can get sued for slander or liable?

Give us a break with such nonsense.


Slander is spoken, so no issues there...

In terms of liable, I'm certain cbid can't be sued if people make negative statements about other websites on their forum...

If cbid could be sued for such things, I'm sure Gurkha would've filed suit along time ago for the things said about them on here...

And in terms of other sites allowing negative comments about cbid, who cares? If it actually happened that someone made such an idiotic statement, only the fellow idiots would believe...
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 1:53 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Slander is spoken, so no issues there...

In terms of liable, I'm certain cbid can't be sued if people make negative statements about other websites on their forum...

If cbid could be sued for such things, I'm sure Gurkha would've filed suit along time ago for the things said about them on here...

And in terms of other sites allowing negative comments about cbid, who cares? If it actually happened that someone made such an idiotic statement, only the fellow idiots would believe...


I am fully aware slander's definition involves spoken words, but most others aren't- and often get it confused with liable-so it is easier to simply use both terms at the same time to avoid confusion with accuracy.

What's your basis for the certainty CBid can't get sued? They host the forum and disseminate its contents. Bet there is an entire body of law out there concerning this.

Gurkha is not a competitor of CBid. It may tolerate the comments because it still does a lot of business with CBid and may not wan to cut off the hand that feeds it. There are even rumors here and there that CBid may own a part of Gurkha. Who knows?

You willing to personally guarantee them they can't get sued?
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 2:01 PM EST
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I don't believe that stating or writing opinions constitute slander or liable. If you could be successfully sued for liable in an OP/ED piece then most of the “talking heads” would be bankrupt and out of business. JMO-YMMV
opelmanta1900 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 2:42 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I am fully aware slander's definition involves spoken words, but most others aren't- and often get it confused with liable-so it is easier to simply use both terms at the same time to avoid confusion with accuracy.

What's your basis for the certainty CBid can't get sued? They host the forum and disseminate its contents. Bet there is an entire body of law out there concerning this.

Gurkha is not a competitor of CBid. It may tolerate the comments because it still does a lot of business with CBid and may not wan to cut off the hand that feeds it. There are even rumors here and there that CBid may own a part of Gurkha. Who knows?

You willing to personally guarantee them they can't get sued?


I don't guarantee anything to anybody but I am fairly certain that the laws you speak of do not pertain to a third party poster...

I will point you here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jury-awards-13-million-texas-defamation-suit-anonymous/story?id=16194071#.T7qWu0VrO2M

The website could not be sued, rather, the courts ordered the website to turn over the contact info of the posters...

That said, you reminded me of a Bob and Tom sketch where a lawyer reads a letter from a listener asking the difference between slander and liable...

The lawyer screams, "What kinda half-wit moron doesn't know the difference between slander and libel!? You must be the worlds biggest idiot!"

Then in a much calmer voice continues, "That was slander... If I had written it, it would have been libel..."

Also, we both spelled libel, "liabel"... we're certain to be slandered for that...
DadZilla3 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 3:53 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Also, we both spelled libel, "liabel"... we're certain to be slandered for that...

Or, we're liable to be sued for libel.
SammyETN Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 4:03 PM EST
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Wow, you guys take things way to seriously. I had an amusing story from an encounter with an owner of a different site I couldn't share because mentioning the name of the site was required to get the full effect. From that it has degenerated into an arguement about libel and slander. I thought the homophobia and bad gay jokes were the worst things I would see here. I was wrong.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 4:08 PM EST
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I'm suing cigarbid for them letting you say that about me...
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 4:31 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
Wow, you guys take things way to seriously. I had an amusing story from an encounter with an owner of a different site I couldn't share because mentioning the name of the site was required to get the full effect. From that it has degenerated into an arguement about libel and slander. I thought the homophobia and bad gay jokes were the worst things I would see here. I was wrong.


Welcome to the short bus. Pick up your helmets on your left as you board, please fill all seats starting from the back.
heynow5151 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 5:24 PM EST
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Hmmm, Thrashing other places to make this place appear better.....what a concept ! Don't do anything to get better just dump all over the competition, sounds so simple.....why didn't I ever think of this.... All this time I've had it backwards
bloody spaniard Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 5:29 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
Wow, you guys take things way to seriously. I had an amusing story from an encounter with an owner of a different site I couldn't share because mentioning the name of the site was required to get the full effect. From that it has degenerated into an arguement about libel and slander. I thought the homophobia and bad gay jokes were the worst things I would see here. I was wrong.



Tell your story, Sammy. Just use a word that rhymes with or means the same as the other site's.
For instance, use Rhomson for (deleted by SteveR) or "RJ" for (deleted by SteveR), Numann for...

If you're mad and now don't feel like telling the story (moment has passed), go right ahead and pout. It's alright little soldier.ThumpUp
sd72 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 5:30 PM EST
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Say whatever you want, they have moderators to delete and edit posts. If that happens, you've went too far.
I just ordered a box of NHC seleccion limitada reserva. That's a brand of cigar, ok to mention, right? I can't say where I got it though, savvy?
TIGERCDW Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 5:36 PM EST
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RAH® don't need no stinkin' rules.

TIGER
sd72 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 5:39 PM EST
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You see what happened to Rah®
lou2row Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 8:45 PM EST
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Bobby Fen got disseminated cause his wife didn't want no more babies.

Sarcasm





See, I put the sarcasm thingy so I am safe.
nnightmar Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 8:48 PM EST
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Posts: 10,079
dkeage wrote:
Brick wall


YOU people........


Um I think some on here MIGHT say...


Whaddya mean YOU people?!?!?!?

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wheelrite Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 8:54 PM EST
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 41,395
Um,,,

The Swedes (CI) operate numerous other sites. So why would they want you to trash them ??


Welcome to the CI Borg,,,
tj2001cobra Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 9:50 PM EST
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Jesus, Robert. You are a damned attorney. It's LIBEL.

rfenst Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:19 PM EST
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tj2001cobra wrote:
Jesus, Robert. You are a damned attorney. It's LIBEL.



I know and knew.
Most people don't and I hate having to correct them or explain the difference between the two when the distinction just doesn't matter.

BTW, Google: libel, slander and listserve/internet forum and the like. You will see that some courts just might be surprised at how the courts use the terms interchangeably in this context.

(Smoke that cello HdM yet?)
tj2001cobra Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:20 PM EST
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Actually, I did. About 2 nights ago. That thing was awesome. Almost had a "sweet" taste to it. Was a little loose, though, and burned quickly, although not hot. Was a nice smoke!
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:36 PM EST
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tj2001cobra wrote:
Actually, I did. About 2 nights ago. That thing was awesome. Almost had a "sweet" taste to it. Was a little loose, though, and burned quickly, although not hot. Was a nice smoke!



Glad you enjoyed it!

Machine mad, chopped filler. But, don't think I would ever give you anything but my best. I was told that cigar is the "epitome of sweet, woody flavor" in HdM. A similar cigar would be the smallest one in the "Le Hoyo" series.

Not the first time I have had an excellent experience with well aged, machine made, chopped filler Cubans- such as La Corona and Quintero.
tj2001cobra Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:44 PM EST
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I've smoked many machine rolled cubans. Never been disappointed with them. Again, thanks for the smoke!
swanny903 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 3:14 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I know and knew.
Most people don't and I hate having to correct them or explain the difference between the two when the distinction just doesn't matter.

BTW, Google: libel, slander and listserve/internet forum and the like. You will see that some courts just might be surprised at how the courts use the terms interchangeably in this context.

(Smoke that cello HdM yet?)


Guys, I am not an attorney but I will throw in my $0.02 anyway. Pretty sure that libel/slander involve telling lies or falsehoods about someone or some entity. Pretty sure stating an actual experience or opinion, no matter how negative doesn't qualify. If they sue, they have to have the burden of proof that you are lying; speak the truth and and I couldn't see any court convicting you. That said, the rule is probably more for brand reputation. No one wants their business associated with trashing another...unless your business is in politics!
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 3:33 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
... I thought the homophobia and bad gay jokes were the worst things I would see here. I was wrong.



Yeah, right.

Like there are bad gay jokes.
delarob Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 5:37 PM EST
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Posts: 5,303
Why doesn't anyone mention the starfish? Crying It's all to protect the starfish.
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