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outer wrapper splitting
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#51 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2013
Posts: 25
danmdevries......you rotate your boxes every now and then and you stack them perpindicular to each other
KingoftheCove Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,600
no no no!!
I was just getting the popcorn!
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#53 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,217
cigar searcher wrote:
sorry if I offended anyone, the cracks in my cigars has nothing to do witht the humidification process or the tubidor, it has to do with maintaining a proper RH level. Your beads contain mold as well you just cant see it. I appreciated all the answers to my original question. rob



Am I the only one who see's the humidification process absolutely contributes to the RH level? I guess the jokes on all of us. Who would have thunk it?

For the record, I've been using beads for a few years now. My long term storage stays at 70/70 +/- 0. Cigars I plan to smoke in the next week or so are kept at 70/65 +/- 0. I've been lucky as none of the smokes I have bought have had a wrapper split. Nor have I ever had mold on a cigar or in a storage vessel. Perhaps I'm doing things wrong.
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#54 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
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KingoftheCove wrote:
no no no!!
I was just getting the popcorn!


He came to ask advice and argued up and down that his method has no effect on the problems experienced despite being told that method will lead to the problems experienced.

Theres a reason that his method is not widespread.

The collective experience has shown it to be ineffective.

If he chooses to continue this practice, he will continue to have inconsistent humidification and inconsistent burn along with the other issues such as over humidified cigars cracking when the moist tobacco swells with the heat of the lit foot.

Or he can opt to accept the advice from those whose experience has led them to a different conclusion. Learn from your own mistakes, or save time and learn from other's. Your choice.
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#55 Posted:
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king of the cove.........no I really do not have to fiddle with the adjustments hardly at all, it maintains the RH day after day with out any adjustments. if it was that much of a pain in the ass I would not use it. My opionion is that most of you have been sold on these costly devices that the foam provides just as well. I have spoken to several cigar shop owner that use this same method. Do yopu all remeber Legacy? he use to chat here a lot and he has several tubidors in his house using this foam method. I wa simply trying to offer you all a way to save a ton of money. Trust me I spend a lot of money on my sticks and would not risk ruining them over something like this if it didnt work. After hearing everyones voice about the RH being to high, I adjusted ny vent holes and my tubidor is now holding steady at 65. Its as simple as that. Rob
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#56 Posted:
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cigar searcher wrote:
Looking for opinions on what is the main cause of the outer wrapper to split as you smoke. My cigars are kept in a tub a dor with hunidity ranging from 69 to 72, I rarely smoke ROTT so they have pklenty of time to rest at the right humidity. But I do get one sometimes two out of 10 sticks to split. Appreciate your answers. Thanks Rob


cigar searcher wrote:
I may be a newbie, only been at this for a few years, but I see that many of you are spending money on boveda packs ,beads, and other humidification devices; its a waste of money and very costly and makes absolutely no sense to me. Id rather spend that money on better quality sticks. I use the green flower foam. You can but htis at any Michaels stores or on ebay. You just cut it to fit your container and soak in distilled water as needed. I can control the RH by how much I cut off the block and how often I re-charge it. Its dirt cheap and a box of 20 blocks will last for years. I use it in my tubidor and I use it in my humidor. For a humidor, buy a crystal light drink with the oval throat and cut the foam to fit in it and the unit fits in your humidor perfectly. For my tubidor I hang a plastic tray from a dowel stick located at the very top of the tubidor and place a block of foam in it and it works perfectly. Surely I have apparently had the RH to high resulting in the splitting problem but that is easily fixed by taping off more holes until the desired RH level is reached.
Just my two cents worth. Rob


cigar searcher wrote:
king of the cove.........no I really do not have to fiddle with the adjustments hardly at all, it maintains the RH day after day with out any adjustments. if it was that much of a pain in the ass I would not use it. My opionion is that most of you have been sold on these costly devices that the foam provides just as well. I have spoken to several cigar shop owner that use this same method. Do yopu all remeber Legacy? he use to chat here a lot and he has several tubidors in his house using this foam method. I wa simply trying to offer you all a way to save a ton of money. Trust me I spend a lot of money on my sticks and would not risk ruining them over something like this if it didnt work. After hearing everyones voice about the RH being to high, I adjusted ny vent holes and my tubidor is now holding steady at 65. Its as simple as that. Rob


cigar searcher wrote:
To king of the cove and Tonygraz..........Imagine a plastic tub with the lid on and a tray full of saturated green flower foam, the humidity is going rise dramatically. How high it rises will of course depend on how large the tub is,how large the foam block is and how many sticks you have stored. My tubidor is a 20 gallon roughneck tote. It holds approx. 400 sticks. and still allows room for the hanging basket of saturated grreen flower foam. The holes are drilled to allow you to regulate the RH. I have several 3/8" diameter holes drilled on the sides and on the top of the lid. If my RH is too high as everyone here has indicated, I simply remove tape off some of the holes until I reach the 65 desired RH. level. If all of my holes are untaped, then I could always drill more holes. Seasonal changes in the house temperature will affect the RH in the tub so here again you have the ability to lower or raise RH in the tub by either removing taped off holes or by adding more. Its quite simple and costs next to nothing to store/age your sticks without the heavy monthly costs of these humidification toys. Rob


cigar searcher wrote:
Tony graz, I have been using this tubidor for over a year now and not any signs of mold on my cigars and they are in their cellophane. Yes mold does develop on the green foam block so you just take it out and cut off the moldy portion and your back in business If you think no mold develolpes inside the standard humdifiers inside your humidors your wrong, they make them white in color and you cant see the mold, but its their.


cigar searcher wrote:
sorry if I offended anyone, the cracks in my cigars has nothing to do witht the humidification process or the tubidor, it has to do with maintaining a proper RH level. Your beads contain mold as well you just cant see it. I appreciated all the answers to my original question. rob


cigar searcher wrote:
dstieger.........as you know there are many different ways to achieve the desired RH level, there are all kinds of devices that are quite costly, my point is the green foam flower blocks are dirt cheap and will safely achieve the same desired RH levels. Mold will develop on any moist surface in a dark area including beads and the other costly devices. I think they are all harmless as long as it is not touching the sticks. My block is suspended above all my sticks at the top of the tubidor and is completely safe. hope this clarifies. Rob


cigar searcher wrote:
dnmdevries........yes you do have to alster the vent holes as the external enviornment changes, thats the wonderful flexibility of having the holes in the first place. External temps will affect the RH so I adjuct as needed.


cigar searcher wrote:
king of the cove.........no I really do not have to fiddle with the adjustments hardly at all, it maintains the RH day after day with out any adjustments. if it was that much of a pain in the ass I would not use it. My opionion is that most of you have been sold on these costly devices that the foam provides just as well. I have spoken to several cigar shop owner that use this same method. Do yopu all remeber Legacy? he use to chat here a lot and he has several tubidors in his house using this foam method. I wa simply trying to offer you all a way to save a ton of money. Trust me I spend a lot of money on my sticks and would not risk ruining them over something like this if it didnt work. After hearing everyones voice about the RH being to high, I adjusted ny vent holes and my tubidor is now holding steady at 65. Its as simple as that. Rob




You you come asking for advice, then when you get it, you argue with those who give it.

Sounds like you figured it all out for yourself.

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#57 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Anthony! Master of the mult-quote-thing! Impressive!

I've never been able to manage more than one. Seriously.
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#58 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
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cigar searcher wrote:
dstieger.........as you know there are many different ways to achieve the desired RH level, there are all kinds of devices that are quite costly, my point is the green foam flower blocks are dirt cheap and will safely achieve the same desired RH levels. Mold will develop on any moist surface in a dark area including beads and the other costly devices. I think they are all harmless as long as it is not touching the sticks. My block is suspended above all my sticks at the top of the tubidor and is completely safe. hope this clarifies. Rob


yes there are, and you're not employing any of them... that's why you're here, that's why your cigars suck... I don't know a lot about anything, but I know a little about mold, having dedicated a chunk of my life to the study of it...

the setup you have going is basically a mold factory dangling in a basket above your cigar collection... every time it gets moved, even slightly, the spores from the mold shower down on to your cigars...

just as a matter of courtesy to other people, you should treat your cigars like ebola patients and keep them away from all the other cigars in the world...
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#59 Posted:
Joined: 11-19-2013
Posts: 2,472
I messed around with the foam sticks for a while. Seemed like I was always having to re-wet them, or move them around, they were a pain in the ass.
In early September I got 12 65rh Boveda packs on here for $28. I put three of them in the 150 ct 7 drawer humidor, put two in my 50 ct and I haven't touched either since. They are painless and they're not expensive either. Both boxes hold steady at 65 rh. I still have 7 packs left that I haven't had to use yet.

Just posting this for people reading that think bovedas are an expensive humidification option.
dstieger Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Plus, they're rechargeable. They should last you for years.
dstieger Offline
#61 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
I use beads. I just looked up my order. One pound purchased in 2008. Less than $40 shipped. Add a few gallons of distilled water......Less than $50 for 6+ years of worry-free humidors and coolers (as many as 7 total at one time).
KingoftheCove Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
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dstieger wrote:
I use beads. I just looked up my order. One pound purchased in 2008. Less than $40 shipped. Add a few gallons of distilled water......Less than $50 for 6+ years of worry-free humidors and coolers (as many as 7 total at one time).

$8 per year!..........pfftt!

DP would have done it for less than $5 per year.

RIP Dave...........
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