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Poll Question : Cedar Sleeves/Wrappers - store With or With Out
Choice Votes Statistics
WITH - Age/Store in the cedar sleeve as received 45 81 %
WITH OUT - Remove cedar sleeve to breathe 5 9 %
Don't really care 5 9 %
Total 55 100%

Cedar Sleeves/Wrappers - store With or With Out
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cacman Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 1:46 AM EST
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What's your opinion?
Have considered removing the cedar sleeve on a number of cigars received due to being wet on arrival, and worried about mold build-up under the sleeve.
But will often place a cedar sleeve around a custom-roll as it dry-box's to extend the drying time in an effort to prevent any damage from a rapid change in humidity.

• WITH - Age/Store in the cedar sleeve as received from manufacturer
• WITH OUT - Remove cedar sleeve to allow cigar to breathe and avoid mold build-up under sleeve
• Don't really care
robertsccr5 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 1:58 AM EST
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I leave it on. The manufacturer or blender probably made the decision backed by years of experience and knowledge. I think the only cedar sleeves I have are Fuente and my OR LPH Morado's.
delta1 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 2:02 AM EST
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Not sure why, but I usually leave a cigar the way it is packaged (cello, cedar, foil, tube) until I smoke it, including the ones in the coffins, even though they take up so much space.
Mithrandir Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 7:29 AM EST
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very sage advice ^ & ^^....if the experts in the cigar industry use them, then they must not be harmful to the cigars.....they look purdy too all dressed up!
denali7432 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 7:42 AM EST
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i remove them right away to allow the cigar to breath better and keep it so constricted..
bdrizzle Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 8:04 AM EST
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My cigar is package in a restrictive sleeve for work as I wear dress slacks. When I get home I remove it from the sleeve to allow it to breath.

I do the same for my cigars.
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 8:06 AM EST
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I don't undress them until I'm ready to ravage them, haven't had any mold issues leaving them on
js of indy Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 8:13 AM EST
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keep them on
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 8:32 AM EST
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Cedar on. If they have foot ribbons, those come off immediately upon receipt.
Burner02 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 9:53 AM EST
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Cedar on.
Mr Roso Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 9:58 AM EST
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I leave them on. I doubt that you see mold build up under the sleeve.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 10:55 AM EST
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I keep it all one and in cello.

I have a big a$$ humidor with no humidification. Durn ebay is slow.
So I took a jiggerfilled it have full with distilled water. And stuck a couple cedar wraps in it.

I call it the hillbilly cedar humidor diffuser. Checked it the next day and humidity was 75%. It started at 50%
Works a little to well. But it's a quick way to season your humi

Yes I took it out. That day.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 11:23 AM EST
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I wonder I how Spanish cedar would make smoked salmon taste....

You know... Soak your cedar wraps in water. Lay them on the grill and use them for planks.

Smoking it in your big green egg (next to weber, best grill ever)!
stogiefan Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 11:48 AM EST
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I have been told the cedar sleeve forms a functional purpose beyond marketing appearance. It helps keeps the humidification consistent around the longest smoking area of the cigar. Seems logical since humidors are made of spanish cedar to retain humidification so I have left them on.
triodes Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 2:31 PM EST
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Off.

Partly because of mold issues.

Mainly because it appears to impart a small bit of flavor to the cigar. That is a flavor which I do not particularly care for.

I have always looked at cedar sleeves in the same light as ribbons. Marketing.
madspackler Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 5:18 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Not sure why, but I usually leave a cigar the way it is packaged (cello, cedar, foil, tube) until I smoke it, including the ones in the coffins, even though they take up so much space.


+1
knokmdwn Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 11:27 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Not sure why, but I usually leave a cigar the way it is packaged (cello, cedar, foil, tube) until I smoke it, including the ones in the coffins, even though they take up so much space.


+1


My gawd you guys worry about a lot of shiit. If your rh and temp is correct in your humi, a cedar sleeve or ribbon or bow or cello or foil or WTFever is not going to cause mold. I suppose y'all break them out of the glass tubes too huh? Thousands upon thousands of glass tubed cigars are stored [correctly] all over the country and they are just fine.....sometimes for years. Y'all are focusing on the wrong shiit.
Abrignac Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2014, 11:32 PM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
+1


My gawd you guys worry about a lot of shiit. If your rh and temp is correct in your humi, a cedar sleeve or ribbon or bow or cello or foil or WTFever is not going to cause mold. I suppose y'all break them out of the glass tubes too huh? Thousands upon thousands of glass tubed cigars are stored [correctly] all over the country and they are just fine.....sometimes for years. Y'all are focusing on the wrong shiit.


My thoughts exactly.
earthson Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 12:29 AM EST
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Cedar on. It imparts a cedar taste, yes, but that must be what the manufacturer intended. AF Anejos have a wonderful cedarness to them that might be solely from the sleeve. Plus, it's extra protection for when I'm re-arranging smokes playing Humidor Tetris
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 12:44 AM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
+1


My gawd you guys worry about a lot of shiit. If your rh and temp is correct in your humi, a cedar sleeve or ribbon or bow or cello or foil or WTFever is not going to cause mold. I suppose y'all break them out of the glass tubes too huh? Thousands upon thousands of glass tubed cigars are stored [correctly] all over the country and they are just fine.....sometimes for years. Y'all are focusing on the wrong shiit.


Amen
DBIII Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 1:18 AM EST
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Hmmmm, interesting responses. Cac and I were discussing this the other night. I bought a box of Anejo 46's a year or so back and had a person or 2, that I gifted some to, tell me they were starting to get a lil mold. My tower is kept right around 65 all the time, figured it had to do with the cedar. Guess I'm a foo el. I do keep all of my coffins, tubos, and foil wraps though and have never had a problem......maybe the Anejo were over humidified from the retailer I ordered them from. Carry on
cacman Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 2:09 AM EST
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Well don't I look like the fool?

IDK?? Have encountered this situation with a number of different cigars from a number of different vendors, including those gifted/received in passes. Struggle to hold a 62-65% rH in humis/cooledors kept in a heated garage. Could it have to do with the cedar sleeve itself (spores attaching to it) and not the humidity at all? Everything else that's naked in inventory is resting just fine and without issue.

I'm a firm believer in "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" and all. But metal tubes I will crack the seal. I have no idea what condition they where packaged at, or what they experienced during shipping more importantly, or what condition they arrive in. Never had anything in a glass tube but if it's closed with a cork stopper isn't it porous - like wine?? IMHO it's an interesting discussion. My apologies for looking for answers.
knokmdwn Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 11:00 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Well don't I look like the fool?

IDK?? Have encountered this situation with a number of different cigars from a number of different vendors, including those gifted/received in passes. Struggle to hold a 62-65% rH in humis/cooledors kept in a heated garage. Could it have to do with the cedar sleeve itself (spores attaching to it) and not the humidity at all? Everything else that's naked in inventory is resting just fine and without issue.

I'm a firm believer in "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" and all. But metal tubes I will crack the seal. I have no idea what condition they where packaged at, or what they experienced during shipping more importantly, or what condition they arrive in. Never had anything in a glass tube but if it's closed with a cork stopper isn't it porous - like wine?? IMHO it's an interesting discussion. My apologies for looking for answers.



Carl, no appologies necessary to me brother....and I don't think you look like a fool with the post. It is an interesting topic but IMHO there are far too many brothers and sisters out there that loose sight of the bigger issue.

Agreed that possibly any cigar could have mold spores on cedar or something else but again, that's an issue of rh and temp from whomever you obtained the sticks from. Just for discussion sake, I too remove all metal caps from tubes and just leave the cigar in the tube without the cap on. Then if I take it somewhere or gift it or the like, I replace the cap. I've got a small 20 ct that is just full of caps. There are many metal tubed cigars out there that have cedar inside the tube also!
The glass tubes are sealed but yes, they breathe through the cork. I honestly don't know about the waxed ones (like the Gurkha's). That would be interesting to find out. Where's Gerbil when you need him?!!

Remember that cigars don't give off humidity into the open air nearly as fast as most everyone thinks.....unless of course you are in AZ and it's 115 outside. As long as the rh in the cigar is decent and not too moist, and the temp environment is decent and not too hot, all will be good and 99% of your cigars will equalize with the inside of your humi without issue.
knokmdwn Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 11:43 AM EST
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I just figured out the glass tubes and wax seal thing. All the Gurkha's are hermedically sealed with the moisture from the thighs of 21 year old virgins in the old county. That's why those things are some damnnn expensive....it's hard to find the virgins!!!






































Sarcasm
stingray Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2014, 1:31 PM EST
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If you leave them on you won't have to add the oil to get that cedar flavor.
triodes Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Mar 7 2014, 7:37 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Well don't I look like the fool?.....I'm a firm believer in "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" and all...My apologies for looking for answers.


Nothing wrong with questioning conventional wisdom and choosing your own path.

I have had questions here that others laughed at, and I'm not so sure that the ones laughing weren't the ones that should be laughed at.

Tinfoil and cedar sleeves are excellent examples.

While tinfoil _may_ benefit for the whole box, such as cazadores IMO tinfoil on individual cigars can easily be detrimental to consistent humidification issues as I have experienced with the Honey and Hand Grenades which led me to pull the tinfoil from them all.

I will note that no CC is currently produced that uses tinfoil, although the Cazadores box in tinfoil.

Cedar sleeves do seem to impart a flavor, so there may be a benefit for some. However, I want my cigars to taste like tobacco and don't care for any cedar flavoring.

Even so, I am now leaning more and more that "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" may mean the same thing as "maintain the marketing device that the produces the image that the manufacturer wants."

You don't look like a fool to me, but then I have never been concerned about taking an approach that is different than the norm.
illinichaser Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 6:49 PM EST
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I'd consider a few of these guys experts. . .
Palama Online
#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 7:14 PM EST
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illinichaser wrote:
I'd consider a few of these guys experts. . .


Yup.

Thanks for bringing this back up. After re-reading the responses, thinking of taking the cedar off of a couple or 3 Anejos #46s, letting them rest nekked for 6 months or so and then doing a taste comparison to see if there's any difference.
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 7:19 PM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
I just figured out the glass tubes and wax seal thing. All the Gurkha's are hermedically sealed with the moisture from the thighs of 21 year old virgins in the old county. That's why those things are some damnnn expensive....it's hard to find the virgins!!!

I just knew there was something special about them.






































Sarcasm

charliebarr Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 7:31 PM EST
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I thought you supposed to smoke that chit...cedar tones?

How do you post voters?just curious??
twink Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 8:48 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:


no just hard to find a sucker for advertizements.
wluffman Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2015, 10:47 PM EST
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I'm too lazy to remove the cedar wrap, or even the cello, from a bunch of cigars all at once. Besides, a little extra Spanish cedar aroma never hurts, and that wrap-around Spanish cedar might even help the wrapper's RH equalize all over. If the maker thinks a paper-thin sheet of SC is a good idea, who am I to dispute this? I undress them -- cello, cedar and bands -- one at a time as I smoke them.
Palama Online
#33 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2015, 1:06 AM EST
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Found some mold spots on a few #46s last night. Not too happy with finding them but glad I found out before it got worse.
cacman Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2015, 3:14 AM EST
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Palama wrote:
Found some mold spots on a few #46s last night. Not too happy with finding them but glad I found out before it got worse.

That is the exact same cigar box purchase that started this post last March. Hopefully they weren't something I sent. Short-term memory prohibits, but it's been awhile - I think.

Love the Añejos, but always remove the cello (OCD kicks in so I always save them in case of a road trip). But have also experienced this with other cedar-wrapped cigars including other Fuente's, Hoyo's, etc.

Did you experience a taste difference Conan? #28
Palama Online
#35 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2015, 3:23 AM EST
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Smoked fine tonight but gonna keep the others that had mold totally separate from everything else. I didn't check the ones you sent but will now...as well as every other Anejo I have. Lesson learned and glad It wasn't a bigger issue. Bringing this thread up definitely saved a lot of disappoint later. Thanks Cac and Illini.

Edit: the two you sent are fine, it's the ones I got from a couple other vendors that had the mold.
Buckwheat Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2015, 11:08 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Not sure why, but I usually leave a cigar the way it is packaged (cello, cedar, foil, tube) until I smoke it, including the ones in the coffins, even though they take up so much space.


+1,000,000

There is a reason that they package them these ways. I did try to let cigars in tubes breath for a day or two prior to smoking them. I still have several partial cabs & dress boxes of cigars that I keep. Helps with knowing the codes, etc... on the cigars. To hell with the space they take up. Buy a bigger cooler if you have this problem. fog
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