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Twink's cello on/off debate Cafe
Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted:
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Moved from the jrc9414's Special Olympics thread to a more appropriate location.


In other words you have absolutely no experience whatsoever when it comes to aging cigars, yet you are qualified to tell others who have been doing so for years that they are wrong.

Had you taken the time to actually read some of the links provided you might would understand what was said to you.

Reasons to keep cigars in cellophane:
1) It prevents cigars of different blends from muddling their flavors together
2) It protects the wrapper and reduces the number of split wrappers from handling
3) It slows, but does not stop the aging process
4) Being only semi-permabale,c cigars still in the wrapper will maintain humidy loger outside a humidor than those not in cellophane
5) They are less apt to react to abrupt changes in environment which can split the wrapper


Reasons to remove cigars from cellophane:
1) It allows cigars stored together to absorb flavors and aromas from each other
2) It speeds the aging process
danmdevries Offline
#2 Posted:
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Don't feed the trolls.
tonygraz Offline
#3 Posted:
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My vote is definitely off. Not sure about the cellos tho.
mountainman Offline
#4 Posted:
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I have had better results with the cello on then off. when I have the cello off, the flavors seem to flatten on me
illinichaser Offline
#5 Posted:
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d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
charliebarr Offline
#6 Posted:
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mountainman wrote:
I have had better results with the cello on then off. when I have the cello off, the flavors seem to flatten on me

+1 To me I agree with flavor profile stayin better..Also protect wrappers...ALOT imo...If you in humi alot cigars without get benped up a bit...
tonygraz Offline
#7 Posted:
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First he has to mooch one.
themunmypaw Offline
#8 Posted:
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Just buy a cigar, then age them until you're on your deathbed, then enjoy....
Chewmaize Offline
#9 Posted:
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In my humble opinion....I do about a 50/50 run. I enjoy smoking a cigar that has been able to breath and take in the varying flavors from the wood and the other cigars in the humidor, but if I'm shipping cigars I would rather that they have the cello on (just ask charliebarr). 99% of my cigars are similar as far as taste, nothing "sugar'y" that would jack up an AF, so I've never really had a problem in that area. Just my .2 cents on the topic. Beer
charliebarr Offline
#10 Posted:
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Chewmaize wrote:
In my humble opinion....I do about a 50/50 run. I enjoy smoking a cigar that has been able to breath and take in the varying flavors from the wood and the other cigars in the humidor, but if I'm shipping cigars I would rather that they have the cello on (just ask charliebarr). 99% of my cigars are similar as far as taste, nothing "sugar'y" that would jack up an AF, so I've never really had a problem in that area. Just my .2 cents on the topic. Beer

.Yes that definitely helped in the shipping incident....and I would hope no one would store infused and non infused together.That subject does not even make sense..
I PERSONALLY TRY TO KEEP NATURALS TOGETHER,TABAKS TOGETHER...ALL OTHERS TOGETHER...
Chewmaize Offline
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charliebarr wrote:
.Yes that definitely helped in the shipping incident....and I would hope no one would store infused and non infused together.That subject does not even make sense..
I PERSONALLY TRY TO KEEP NATURALS TOGETHER,TABAKS TOGETHER...ALL OTHERS TOGETHER...


Applause Couldn't have said it better myself.
Chewmaize Offline
#12 Posted:
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I've never chewed on a tampax personally, but to each his own. Shame on you
themunmypaw Offline
#13 Posted:
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Let us all take a moment and note that twink did not specify whether the tampax in question was fresh...
Chewmaize Offline
#14 Posted:
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LMAO! Woot
Buckwheat Offline
#15 Posted:
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Smoke cigars!
Chew on DENTASTIX® fog
charliebarr Offline
#16 Posted:
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themunmypaw wrote:
Let us all take a moment and note that twink did not specify whether the tampax in question was fresh...

Very very good point munkey pee.....It was infused then right?
themunmypaw Offline
#17 Posted:
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Yup, probably a similar process to how acid gets their "flavors"
themunmypaw Offline
#18 Posted:
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I just poured bleach in my humidifier.
fishinguitarman Offline
#19 Posted:
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I sleep in the buff
Chewmaize Offline
#20 Posted:
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themunmypaw wrote:
I just poured bleach in my humidifier.


LOL
themunmypaw Offline
#21 Posted:
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Why are you trying to nullify the cedar?
themunmypaw Offline
#22 Posted:
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Pretty sure the cedar is supposed to go in there. That's why they line humidors with it.
fishinguitarman Offline
#23 Posted:
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Let the cedar live! Send me the coffee....Or Booze...Whatever is easiest
Wunky Offline
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I'm sure you're all keeping in mind that the water vapor permeability of cellophane, as measured over adsorption-desorption cycles, parallels the sorption isotherm. And when a constant vapor pressure is applied on the low pressure side of the membrane, the mass flow rate is independent of the vapor pressure used, and shows hysteresis on desorption. This physical property of cellophane may have implications for what you want to achieve with your cigar storage, or it may not be meaningful, depending on what those specific needs are.

I understand that cello protects cigars from handling. That, to me, is the #1 selling point for keeping cello on.

However, I don't understand when people say that leaving the cellophane on "retards aging" of the cigar. Because nobody ever defines exactly what cigar "aging" is, nor the physical processes that give rise to it. Only if you can determine what specific chemical changes constitute the "aging" of a cigar, and what in the environment in and around the cigar causes them or at least affects them, can you determine whether cellophane (or anything else) will accelerate, retard, or have no effect whatsoever on a cigar's aging.

So to those people who say that leaving cello on slows aging, please answer the following questions for a dummy like myself:

1) What specific chemical changes take place in a cigar to constitute aging, and what brings them about?
2) How are those changes altered by cellophane?
3) Could cellophane's impact impart other chemical changes that could offset those alterations?
4) What other variables impact the aging process, and in what circumstances would those overshadow cellophane's effect so as to make the question essentially moot?
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#25 Posted:
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Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
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Wunky wrote:
I'm sure you're all keeping in mind that the water vapor permeability of cellophane, as measured over adsorption-desorption cycles, parallels the sorption isotherm. And when a constant vapor pressure is applied on the low pressure side of the membrane, the mass flow rate is independent of the vapor pressure used, and shows hysteresis on desorption. This physical property of cellophane may have implications for what you want to achieve with your cigar storage, or it may not be meaningful, depending on what those specific needs are.

I understand that cello protects cigars from handling. That, to me, is the #1 selling point for keeping cello on.

However, I don't understand when people say that leaving the cellophane on "retards aging" of the cigar. Because nobody ever defines exactly what cigar "aging" is, nor the physical processes that give rise to it. Only if you can determine what specific chemical changes constitute the "aging" of a cigar, and what in the environment in and around the cigar causes them or at least affects them, can you determine whether cellophane (or anything else) will accelerate, retard, or have no effect whatsoever on a cigar's aging.

So to those people who say that leaving cello on slows aging, please answer the following questions for a dummy like myself:

1) What specific chemical changes take place in a cigar to constitute aging, and what brings them about?
2) How are those changes altered by cellophane?
3) Could cellophane's impact impart other chemical changes that could offset those alterations?
4) What other variables impact the aging process, and in what circumstances would those overshadow cellophane's effect so as to make the question essentially moot?



Applause

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