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frankj1 Offline
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EPA Chief Andrew Wheeler will be in Japan to meet with the environmental ministers of the world's top 20 largest economies with ocean trash cleanup as a priority issue...and Trump is on the right side of this.
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I suggest we take all our old used oil and dump it on the floating trash pile and light it up... 2 birds with one stone and stuff... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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great idea.
didn't they come up wif some kinda petroleum eating amoeba a few years ago though?
DrafterX Offline
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We'll burn them too... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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yah!
deadeyedick Offline
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Problem is only a certain % of the trash is actually floating. Saw underwater pics and it was not pretty.
ZRX1200 Offline
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****ushima me running
bs_kwaj Offline
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When I come back from vacation in October, a friend is coming back out with me for a week and we plan to do some snorkeling and stuff.

I rode my bicycle around part of the perimeter of the island looking for good snorkeling spots.

You wouldn't believe how many flip flops and plastic bottles and all sorts of other debris is washed up on the shore line.

It's a mess for sure.

Beer
tailgater Offline
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I lost my fip flip flops.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted:
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X is gonna burn 'em
frankj1 Offline
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I blame Trump
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I was watching a survival documentary and they actually included tips on how to use washed up trash found on even the remotest islands now. Made me mad/sad. We cut up all plastic in this house before recycling just to be safe that nothing could get wrapped around an animal.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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But the small scraps of plastic won't help me survive
rfenst Offline
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We try to recycle our disposable, plastic grocery bags, but our local recycling centers are starting to ban them from recycling.
Buckwheat Offline
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This is certainly a step in the right direction. I hope that the world can come to some sort of reasonable decision on how to deal with the mess that we've created.

I would hate to see this become another politicized mess like global climate change. horse

There shouldn't be any debate as to the existence of the problem.
Pretty straight forward:
1) Plastic garbage is in the water;
2) let's find a way to clean it up and dispose of it in an environmentally responsible way.

fog
DrafterX Offline
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We should put it on a rocket and send it to da moon.. Mellow
tamapatom Offline
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Ironically, plastic waste decomposes better blowing or floating around versus sealing it up in a landfill. Sun, soil, micro organisms, abrasion, etc..

We still hate to see the trash - it is a visible expression of our waste.

Recycling can work here but not in all of the countries worldwide that just dump their garbage in the rivers and oceans.

I've got an idea to solve this - ban plastic straws in the U.S.!
DrafterX Offline
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There's a dude here that has a taco place.. refuses to provide straws but serves drinks out of styrofoam cups... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
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If I had To guess?

I bet several "sh*t hole" countries all around the world dump all their trash at sea...
Like Nigeria, Somalia, Madagascar, Egypt, turkey,
Malaysia, north Korea, China, Colombia, MEXICO...etc...

Cruise ships dump raw sho*t sewage directly into the ocean, military ships, fishing ships...all ships dump some or all food scraps and trash instead of hauling it back to land...uses way less fuel that way...

Ask MACS?
I'LL BET HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT SHIP WASTE...he was a navy sailor...love to hear his input...
Mr. Jones Offline
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We should STRAP DRAFTER X TO A ROCKET TOO...AND SEND HIM TO THE MOON WEARING ONLY USED AND LOST BEACH RECOVERED FLIP FLOPS...πŸ˜€πŸŒšπŸŒ‘πŸ”₯πŸ’₯πŸš€πŸš€πŸš€πŸŒ›πŸŒ›πŸŒπŸŒπŸŒ
DrafterX Offline
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OhMyGod
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Maybe if we just eat and drink more = Problem solved.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/this-could-be-the-amount-of-plastic-people-eat-each-week

Or rocket it to Uranus.....
Buckwheat Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
We should put it on a rocket and send it to da moon.. Mellow



Too expensive.
https://www.universetoday.com/25431/why-cant-we-launch-garbage-into-space/
frankj1 Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
This is certainly a step in the right direction. I hope that the world can come to some sort of reasonable decision on how to deal with the mess that we've created.

I would hate to see this become another politicized mess like global climate change. horse

There shouldn't be any debate as to the existence of the problem.
Pretty straight forward:
1) Plastic garbage is in the water;
2) let's find a way to clean it up and dispose of it in an environmentally responsible way.

fog

at least this issue does not have a natural divide between political parties, nor does it seem any large businesses would be against a solution.

would it fit in the nuclear waste mountains? HA!
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rfenst wrote:
We try to recycle our disposable, plastic grocery bags, but our local recycling centers are starting to ban them from recycling.


We use reusable grocery bags. Any plastic bag that has to be used can be saved and returned to the local stores. Not sure what they do with them, maybe dump them in the ocean.Think
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Mr. Jones wrote:
If I had To guess?

I bet several "sh*t hole" countries all around the world dump all their trash at sea...
Like Nigeria, Somalia, Madagascar, Egypt, turkey,
Malaysia, north Korea, China, Colombia, MEXICO...etc...

Cruise ships dump raw sho*t sewage directly into the ocean, military ships, fishing ships...all ships dump some or all food scraps and trash instead of hauling it back to land...uses way less fuel that way...

Ask MACS?
I'LL BET HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT SHIP WASTE...he was a navy sailor...love to hear his input...

Still in Iran last I heard...
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deadeyedick wrote:
We use reusable grocery bags. Any plastic bag that has to be used can be saved and returned to the local stores. Not sure what they do with them, maybe dump them in the ocean.Think

You're not wrong...

There's plenty to watch out there on it, but I'd recommend an Australian 60 minutes piece that tracks Australia's recyclables...

Here's the short of it:

Recycling plastic in an environmentally safe way - one that does not involve dumping micro-plastics into the ocean - is expensive...

Recycling plastic the right way is so expensive it cannot be completed in a country like America or Australia or Canada because doing so would result in an end product that is inferior to - yet costs substantially more - than "new" plastic...

The current solution is for first world countries to pay individuals to import recyclable plastic to Malaysia and a handful of other poorly monitored third world countries...

In fairness, some of those recycling plants do recycle a decent amount of the plastic they receive, however, none have the ability to deal with the byproducts of the recycling process - micro plastic... When a plant becomes overrun with byproduct, they close down, leaving the local governments with the waste on their hands - it usually goes to the ocean....

The majority of recycling plants in third world countries are illegally run and are not in fact recycling plants but storage facilities for recyclable materials... These materials are generally either disposed of in the ocean or burned...

Recycling!
opelmanta1900 Offline
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This also ties into another issue - receiving products from third world countries...

When Wal-Mart receives a thousand cargo containers full of made-in-malaysia t-shirts for seventeen cents each because they're exploiting the semi-slave labor situation there - they now have a thousand empty cargo containers that have to go back to Malaysia...

But the people in Malaysia are dirt poor because we exploit their semi-slave labor situation, so they can't afford anything we make...

The easy solution for a place like Wal-Mart - make a few pennies by filling those Malaysia-bound containers with American-made garbage...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
This also ties into another issue - receiving products from third world countries...

When Wal-Mart receives a thousand cargo containers full of made-in-malaysia t-shirts for seventeen cents each because they're exploiting the semi-slave labor situation there - they now have a thousand empty cargo containers that have to go back to Malaysia...

But the people in Malaysia are dirt poor because we exploit their semi-slave labor situation, so they can't afford anything we make...

The easy solution for a place like Wal-Mart - make a few pennies by filling those Malaysia-bound containers with American-made garbage...


Stop it... you're making me aroused.
Buckwheat Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Still in Iran last I heard...


He's back home and probably just out fishing if he doesn't have to work and the weather is nice. Applause
tailgater Offline
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America doesn't want recycling, she wants convenience and/or low cost.

I hate most laws that ban things.
Most, if not all, of these laws are short sighted and counter productive, not to mention ineffective.

Put a dollar value on something and people take notice.

How many beer and pop cans do you see on the side of the roads in states with a deposit bill?

Why not add this to plastic water bottles?

If a deposit were put on bags, people would still throw them out. But other people would collect them.
But we need to think two steps ahead: if we plan to recycle bags, it's a separate waste stream from non-film plastic products. So put a plan in place, but beware of new bags that are biodegradable. These bags would ruin the recycling process (PLA can't be mixed with LDPE, for instance).
And don't get me going on tampons. I'm currently working on concepts with the largest producer of feminine hygiene products on the planet and they won't consider biodegradable materials because there is no consumer push. Further, the applicators are banned from recycling (biohazard).

But let's blame plastics...
Knee jerk reactions and blaming the product yields ineffective solutions.


opelmanta1900 Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
He's back home and probably just out fishing if he doesn't have to work and the weather is nice. Applause

Mmm hmmmm....
Ewok126 Offline
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Let me know when this "cleanup" is going to take place!

We in flood season here and I have not been able to burn the tires for a few months. Gots a yuge collection of em to add to the Flip Flop pile!
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I don't remember where but there is/was deposits on water bottles... Peoples on da welfare would purchase cases of water then dump them out and return for beer monies... Beer
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20 years ago, I was stationed in Japan, living in US military housing on base. DoD policy mandated recycling on all bases. We had separate waste containers for garbage and recyclables. The waste pick up was contracted to local Japanese companies -- who already knew what we're still learning over here - that recycling doesn't pay. We had to put separate containers on the curb each week, but the truck would come by and the garbage men dumped the contents of each container into back of the same truck.

Local recycling centers won't take glass mixed in with recyclables any more. Seems we haven't figured out how to make recycling separating machines that don't get all f'd up from glass breaking. We have two choices: put glass in the garbage, or separate it from everything else and take it to the landfill recycling place ourselves since our trash company won't accept it. Same with most plastics....only hard stuff coded 1 or 2 now....Our household went from about 80/20 recycle/garbage to about 20/80. Not that the original 80 was actually getting recycled, I guess, but I felt better....and isn't that what's important?
tailgater Offline
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When we went to single stream recycling (mix it all together except for corrugated) the local trash-to-energy plant had trouble keeping the furnace hot enough because there was too little petroleum rich fuel to burn.
Talk about unforeseen consequences.

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Check out the documentary β€œPlastic China” on Amazon Prime.
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