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Poll Question : Should Foreign Govts. Influence US Elections?
Choice Votes Statistics
yes 0 0 %
no 8 80 %
only if they help my candidate 2 20 %
Total 10 100%

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Foreign Govts Influencing Our Elections
delta1 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Trump said he'd take information from a foreign government that would hurt a political opponent and help his election.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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Not what he said... But run with it.. Laugh
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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Biden slaps woman in Iowa during abortion argument..

Film at 11.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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I voted for Russia, before I voted against Russia.....

Listening = BAD

Paying for made up info from a foreign agent and using other foreign intelligence agencies while working IN THE GOVERNMENT = OK
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
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Exactly... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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let's get the exact wording...
deadeyedick Offline
#7 Posted:
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I thought foreign influence was the provence of only the USA to do.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/id-exclusive-interview-trump-listen-foreigners-offered-dirt/story?id=63669304

I blame Norway.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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But it's no worse than a a Biden gaff..

Did you hear about him donkey-punching that lady in Iowa..?? Huh
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted:
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It's OK when we do it to other countries, but not for any other country to do it to us.
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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so we just lay back and enjoy it...
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted:
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Some things... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
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He talks with a thousand qualifiers on purpose to rile the far left up.

He WANTS the left to obsess with impeachment.

Lay back and enjoy 2020
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
He talks with a thousand qualifiers on purpose to rile the far left up.

He WANTS the left to obsess with impeachment.

Lay back and enjoy 2020

doubt it was on purpose. but it is comforting to know he is playing games with America...


“You’re a congressman, someone comes up and says, ‘I have information on your opponent,’ do you call the FBI?” Trump asked.

“If it’s coming from Russia, you do,” Stephanopoulos said, pointing out that Al Gore’s campaign contacted the FBI when it received a stolen briefing book in 2000 and that the FBI director said recently that the agency should have been notified when the Trump campaign received an offer of information on Clinton.

“The FBI director is wrong,” Trump said.



delta1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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Wonder if China and Iran would have any interest in helping Dems win in 2020?
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Frank who’s talking to him....this is a hypothetical circle jerk.

I hope I’m not wearing my MAGA hat when you’re on my jury.
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Stephanopoulos. I know his personal politics, but he's hardly vicious.
Watch it. Didn't seem that Trump felt threatened. Maybe as calm as he's ever been.
and none of the qualifiers you mentioned.

Believe me, I'm not losing my mind over this, but I am shaking my head.
The apology parade is crazier than asking for Presidential comportment.
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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if I were to guess at what Trump thinks he is doing cleverly, it would be that he is already worried about charges after he leaves office, which could be 2 or 6 years...both for himself and his stable genius son.
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted:
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doubt Trump apologizes for those statements...he seems to truly believe that it is legal to get info from a foreign govt that might affect a US election...he says everybody in Congress does it...
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted:
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But it was ok when Obama and Hillary conspired to take him down... It's gonna come out soon... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
But it was ok when Obama and Hillary conspired to take him down... It's gonna come out soon... Mellow

wrong conspiracy thread, noob.
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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that's not Trump's rationale...he knows he got Russian help to win the 2016 election (Russia, if you're listening)...

to keep his conscience clear, he wants everyone to believe there was nothing wrong with that...
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted:
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I did miss one "qualifier" from a different point in the conversation..."oppo info" or something equally baffling if he pulled it out in court.
says that's what it's called when Russia or China (though he deflected it to Norway) calls with dirt during a campaign.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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He doesn’t think there is anything wrong with it. Thus he prolly really believes it’s a witch hunt is legitimately mad.
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted:
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Youse guys... Laugh
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
He doesn’t think there is anything wrong with it. Thus he prolly really believes it’s a witch hunt is legitimately mad.

nah. everyone who would do it knows it's wrong.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted:
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I really don’t think he knows or thinks it’s wrong. From that filter it explains a his actions.

His real mantra should be collusion isn’t wrong.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted:
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Still with the collusion... Not talking
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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It's obstruction now... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
It's obstruction now... Mellow

finally!
welcome aboard.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted:
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It’s both. Conspiracy is off the table though.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted:
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I heard there was a conspiracy to collude obstruction.. I think Obama started it.. that's what I heard anyways... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted:
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Lock him up. Lock him up.
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard there was a conspiracy to collude obstruction.. I think Obama started it.. that's what I heard anyways... Mellow

yup. followed by a buffet lunch!
I'll save ya a seat...not supposed to eat under the sneeze guard.
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted:
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the sneeze guard was a fine invention... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
the sneeze guard was a fine invention... Mellow

agreed, but I get sick when patrons use the tongs and drop the handle end in the food.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted:
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You throw up and stuff..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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yeah, but I make sure to do it on the sneeze guard...cuz I was raised right
RMAN4443 Offline
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as long as you didn't refill the Thousand Island dressing....extra chunky?BARF!
tailgater Offline
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Trump responds to a hypothetical and the outrage is deafening.

Clinton actually paid for a foreign dosier on her opponent and the silence was deafening.



Does anyone believe that ANY politician wouldn't review and digest any ill-gotten foreign intel prior to handing it over to the FBI?

So now we've stooped so low as to denounce Trump for telling the truth.

This is indeed stranger than fiction.


frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted:
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key word missing..."hostile" as in hostile foreign government.

not Norway. Not just a foreigner.

frankj1 Offline
#43 Posted:
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Gore.
He turned it in.
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Trump responds to a hypothetical and the outrage is deafening.

Clinton actually paid for a foreign dosier on her opponent and the silence was deafening.



Does anyone believe that ANY politician wouldn't review and digest any ill-gotten foreign intel prior to handing it over to the FBI?

So now we've stooped so low as to denounce Trump for telling the truth.

This is indeed stranger than fiction.



here's an example of one way you set an inaccurate opposing view to debunk.
he is not being denounced for telling the truth, it's for the meaning of what he says he believes.

more important than reactions to him by others is to focus on your reaction to what he said.

Should we assume you think what he says he would do next time is fine and acceptable?
That's what is being asked here.

There's a lot of bipartisan negative reaction from people who could be put in the same position as the President as they recognize the negative of his truth. You think they are wrong?
DrafterX Offline
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He was just kiddin... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#46 Posted:
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He turned in something that was STOLEN......

Trump was asked a hypothetical question......

Clinton actually PAID FOR IT.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Gore.
He turned it in.


You think he didn't have someone peruse it first?

ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted:
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Nope. He isn’t Trump.
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted:
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he didn't say it was about adoption!

do you guys think it is ok?
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
here's an example of one way you set an inaccurate opposing view to debunk.
he is not being denounced for telling the truth, it's for the meaning of what he says he believes.

more important than reactions to him by others is to focus on your reaction to what he said.

Should we assume you think what he says he would do next time is fine and acceptable?
That's what is being asked here.

There's a lot of bipartisan negative reaction from people who could be put in the same position as the President as they recognize the negative of his truth. You think they are wrong?


You're ignoring reality.

He wasn't asked what he SHOULD do. He was asked what he would probably do. And he might be the only sitting POTUS ever to have the balls to say it like it is.

Note: I'm speaking about this subject only. Do not extrapolate further.

This is very black and white. I've created no side narratives, as you suggest. I know the haters aren't mad because he told the truth. They're mad because (pardon the expression) they can't handle the truth.
They would prefer if he lied.
Which shouldn't even be a surprise, considering who we've elected year after year.


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