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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
I have heard bits and pieces surrounding an issue which I can't believe is being discussed by otherwise intelligent people. There appears to be a push to enact some sort of passage by which the ancestors of slaves would receive monetary compensation for the wrongs bestowed upon their forefathers. When I actually say or write this, I "know" this could never happen. But then I read another article in "support of the idea". I say "RUBBISH". To even consider such an act would put us back 400 years. I've yet to hear even ONE decent argument to convince me this should even be discussed. Any takers out there?
mark Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 08-03-1999
Posts: 143
This reparations talk is pure garbage! Can the ancestors of Christians that were fed to lions in Rome get reparations too? How about if my great grandfater was killed by a woman,can women pay me reparations? Everyone has their hand out ,it is sickening.
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted:
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My point exactly! This isn't "liberal vs conservative" or "democrat vs republican" or even black vs white. This is common sense vs stupidity and greed! Please, please, please help me find even one stable point on which the opposing side could launch an argument. I bet there isn't one...
unklebill Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-1999
Posts: 729
I would be interested in a good arguement for this. I just cant think of one. Here is a suggestion: (I'm gonna burn in hell for this) We could follow the model taken by world leaders after world war two with the Jews: Give them their own country!
Charlie Offline
#5 Posted:
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Great idea Uncle Bill, and let Jesse Jackson be King of that country!
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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I think we're onto something here! I can think of several places that this new country could be located.....
shooter Offline
#7 Posted:
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Posts: 150
Ken Hamblin aka "The Black Avenger" and one of my favorite radio talk show host, authored a best seller titled "Pick A Better Country" a simple line that applies to ANYONE who doesn't like living in my America, be they black, white, yellow, red or brown. Thankyouverymuch.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
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IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ THIS NONSENSE FROM POSTERS ON THIS BOARD. WHAT IF THE "REDS" TOLD THE EUROPEANS THAT STOLE THEIR LAND, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS PLACE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM. COMPARING THE PROBLEMS BLACKS HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY IS BLATANT RACISM. THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT RELATED. ISRAEL WAS TO BE GRANTED A HOMELAND OVER 2000 YEARS AFTER THE DISPORA, AS THANKS FOR THE HELP OF ZIONISTS DURNG THE FIRST WORLD WAR A STATE OF ISRAEL WAS PROMISED. ZIONISTS ARE JEWS WHO WANTED TO RETURN TO THE LAND THEY SAY GOD GAVE TO THEM. THE BALFOUR DECLARATION PROMISED THIS LAND AFTER THE FIRST WORLD WAR. HAD IT BEEN DONE, WHETHER YOU ALL LIKE IT OR NOT, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A HOLOCAUST THAT INCLUDED NOT ONLY MORE THAN 5 MILLION JEWS BUT SEVERAL MILLION NONE JEWS. ONCE THE NAZI'S WERE IN POWER AND DECIDED TO DESTROY THE FIRST GROUP THEY DID NOT LIKE SEVERAL MILLION OTHERS THEY DID NOT LIKE BECAME EASY.
This letter to Lord Rothschild, by the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour, was aimed at Jewish support for the Allies in the First World War. The letter, knon as the "Balfour Declaration" became the basis movement to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The letter was published a week later in The Times (London) of London
Foreign Office November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild:
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
THE PROBLEMS BLACKS AS WELL AS ANY MINORITY GROUP IN THIS COUNTRY ARE INDIVIDUAL PROBLEMS OF EADCH GROUP AND ATTEMPTS TO BELLITLE ONE GROUP AND/OR LUMP GROUPS TOGETHER IS BLATANT RACISM.
FEEL FREE TO SEND ALL YOUR NASTY REMARKS ABOUT THIS POSTDIRECTLY TO ME.
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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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smokechaser, of course you are correct
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted:
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char5353: you ought to reread your reply to unklebill.
maybe you can recognize it for what it is. dumb and childlike.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
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tailgater. where would you like this new country to be? perhaps arizona, where this country imprisoned some if it's citizens because of the color of their skin and an epicanthic fold. have you forgotten our own concentration camps?
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
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Gee, Mr RICKAMAVEN, you seem to get your tailfeathers aroused on simple jokes and one never knows when they will offend you or make you shoot back another of your lengthy posts regarding "injustice" or prejudice. I am proud to be an American and have served this country and fought against injustice and communism in Viet Nam and I will not apoligize for my stance on ANY character(white or black-or of color as you would like to say)who takes advantage of people or groups! Jesse Jackson is one of the people who makes a living off of the funds he raises for the "good" of the "racially oppressed" as he puts it and who should be jailed for tax evasion and flat out stealing money from his "non profit" organization! Sorry if that sounds childish to you! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted:
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Hey Rick, go smoke a nice cigar and have a drink of your choice and cool down about all the heated issues!
You take this board far to seriously!
gdurfor Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2001
Posts: 288
Hey we already did give them a country Liberia. Which was created for freed slaves. They had their chance now get a life slavery was 140 years ago.
If this payment for slavery BS goes thru I'd like
to get a case against the Italian gov't for killing
of the early christians. I must have some relative
who suffered great harm at their hands. Maybe sue the
catholic church for the inquisition. I must have a great to the 10 power relative that was harmed by that.
The list can go on and on. Why don't we just can call it a wash and stop trying blame others.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted:
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you misunderstand. i do not believe in repatriation and i think the idea of demanding money by these current groups is a scam.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted:
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char5353. i believe you are right. i have a cigar in my mouth, a little lars teten, if you will forgive the alliteration, and a cup of coffee. so back to small letters. jesse jackson is a self aggrandizing dirty con-man and a fool. he talked a great game. when he put his girl friend on the payroll of the rainbow coalition for over $100 K, and than failed to disclose, he showed the rainbow had "his" pot of gold at the end of it. sharpton, no different. we both know of lots of bad people, i just find offense at the use of they or them. why can't we get together and just get mad at the culprit without putting him or her in a group. now about bush.......
Charlie Offline
#17 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN well put and I agree with you 100%! I will now have a cigar and a Jack Daniels on the rocks! Charlie
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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RICK, I am not surprised that you took offense to some of the comments posted. You are a master at missing the obvious. (That being sarcasm in the above posts). But to label those that oppose Restitution Fees as being Racist reeks of self-rightousness. Making a generalization may not be politically correct, but it is not racism. Making a sarcastic comment is not childish unless you are thin-skinned and paranoid. Learn from the past, do not dwell on it. But please do keep posting. This board was getting stale...
unklebill Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-1999
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Thanks for the informative letter. I particularly like the part reading: 'it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine'.

Am I right in understanding that Hitler would not have killed Jews or other if a state of Israel had existed at the time?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#20 Posted:
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first place to look is a map history of the area back to the ottoman empire. when trans jordan was created a palestine state was created:
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/index.html

in the late 30' a ship called the st. louis was loaded with over 900 jews and shipped from germany to see if any port would accept the refuges. every country including the us refused them and they were taken back to germany to be destroyed. this gave hitler carta blanche to do whatever he wanted. this included the destruction of any group the nazis did not want alive.
if there were an israel, the refuges would have been welcomed to live out thier lives. it would have been impossible than to start a holocaust, that included not only the 5 or 6 million european jews, but the other 2 million people that were destroyed: this site will enlighten you:
http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/st-louis.html

please let me know what you think, after this little homework. rick
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted:
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Some interesting stuff, Rick, but I think it's naive to believe that Hitler's dream of an Arien Nation would have occurred by peaceful methods had Isreal been in existence to accept the first 900 refuges. It could have perhaps reduced the number of fatalities, but Hitler was a paranoid psychopathe and Nazi Germany would have marched forward without regard. On a seperate note, and keeping in tune with the original post, Perhaps the ancestors of Holocaust victims can therefore receive moneys from our government since the US did not accept that original shipload....
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted:
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holocaust survivors never asked for money from anyone except there is a chap who is suing bmw for back wages he never received. seems he was slave labor in one of their factories during the war and he wants to be paid his salary. as far as hitler, he like many other psychopaths, can be stopped if they are slapped down before they get a head of steam. sort of like the democrats in the senate should have done with the first absurd appointment by, guess who, "W" but i digress
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