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Super Premium
Bluedevil Offline
#1 Posted:
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What does that mean to you?
JadeRose Offline
#2 Posted:
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Esteban Carrera......mmmmmmmmmmmm
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#3 Posted:
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Super-Premium is usually pretty subjective.

Premium means anything that is hand-rolled. Whether it's short-filler, long-filler, mixed-filler, sandwich...if it's rolled by hand, it's a premium cigar. Many will argue with this, but it's the truth.

Super-Premium denotes a step above premium cigars, and is usually based on price. Perdomo Lot 23 might be a premium cigar, while Perdomo ESV '91 is super-premium. However, others might consider Perdomo ESV '91 to be a premium, while the Edicion de Silvio is a super-premium. This is where it gets hazy.

Thankfully, there are plenty of 'premiums' out there that burn and perform better than 'super-premiums,' which is very nice to our wallets.
tbrochin Offline
#4 Posted:
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Posts: 8,164
^ I think the ESV '91 and Edicion de Silvio smokes are crap.... yeah, that's it. Crap. Nobody should bid on them. In fact, send them all me and I'll take care of them! I'll take the bullet for all of you!



















Mmmmmm I love those smokes!!!!!!!!!!!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
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"Super Premium "
"What does that mean to you? "


100+ octane and about $12 bucks a gallon.



teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted:
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if Nestor Reserve is 93 rated then it is certainly a Super Premium
Ram27 Online
#7 Posted:
Joined: 04-30-2005
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Ask Roxie, that is all he ' smokes ' !!!!!


teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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^ I hope someday you both meet in a dark ally and decide its easier to smoke one together than beat the crap out of each other
knokmdwn Offline
#9 Posted:
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^That's called 'Trick' gas out in the west. Maybe east too for all I know.
knokmdwn Offline
#10 Posted:
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#9 for #5
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#11 Posted:
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RE #9

I know, but if I had just written "Trick" then I doubt anyone other than a a few would have gotten the joke (and then I even wonder about that).

I could have also said "Cam2" to make it a bit more obvious.

But the REAL SUPER premium is finding 92 or 93 at $3/gallon.
plinytheelder Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-24-2006
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"However, others might consider Perdomo ESV '91 to be a premium, while the Edicion de Silvio is a super-premium."

Sven, its not hazy at all. That's exactly how I call them.
pacman357 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2006
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#5 Dammit. Beat me to it.

Hey! Isn't it my turn to use the brain today?
PecanPi1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Remember Sunoco 102, circa 1970?

Vrooooooom
Sardious Offline
#15 Posted:
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I'd call the famous smokes as super premium, things like PAMs and silvio and opus. To me I think calling everything hand rolled premium is funny. I think premuim to me is the good sticks the old venerables of consistency like H uppman, punch, and such like that. The average sticks that people here call "yard gars" or "crap" those are just hamde made cigars. Still with this industry everything is a true habana corojo, or "have finally achieved that cuban flavor" and is "rare" and "super premium".
VaMtnMan Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2007
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"Premium means anything that is hand-rolled. Whether it's short-filler, long-filler, mixed-filler, sandwich...if it's rolled by hand, it's a premium cigar. Many will argue with this, but it's the truth."

Definitly have to argue with this. If it is not hand rolled, I call it Crap. I would not count any of the "Yard Gards" a Premium. To me you have your yard gards, your everyday cigar, followed by the Premium Cigar and the Super Premium. I would condsider PAM 64's and Ashton VSG's as Premiums and Opus X and God of Fire's as Super Premium.
bigdogbovy Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 03-08-2007
Posts: 936
I agree with va. There are a lot of hand rolled cigars I would not consider premium. However. The super premium label is overused. Particularly by the folks trying to sell them.

Legend
Charlie Offline
#18 Posted:
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I like Super Premium cigars.......


Charlie
Mithrandir Offline
#19 Posted:
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Main Entry: 1preยทmiยทum
Pronunciation: \?pr?-m?-?m\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin praemium booty, profit, reward, from prae- + emere to take, buy โ€” more at redeem
Date: 1601
1 a: a reward or recompense for a particular act b: a sum over and above a regular price paid chiefly as an inducement or incentive c: a sum in advance of or in addition to the nominal value of something d: something given free or at a reduced price with the purchase of a product or service
2: the consideration paid for a contract of insurance
3: a high value or a value in excess of that normally or usually expected.

Since price mostly defines "premium", this would explain why some super premiums suck for some and not for others and vice versa. I think the CAO Boss is a super premium cigar but yet I don't care for the Padron Anni line which would also be a super premium in my book.
VaMtnMan Offline
#20 Posted:
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^ What was it about the PAM's Line that you didn't Like? Did you smoke both the 26's and 64's? I know everyone has different taste, just Curious why it didn't float your boat. I have past out many a PAM 64 Torpedo, and never heard anyone say they ddn't like it.
VaMtnMan Offline
#21 Posted:
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Tap, I agree that it is way "Overused".
Mithrandir Offline
#22 Posted:
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^Only had the 64 Diplomatico. Bought a 5ver, smoked 2 or 3, can't remember, and then either sold or traded the rest. My sweet spot is the earthy, toasty flavor with no hints of spice or leather. I got a bit of that biting flavor from the 64. I must admit that it was a few years ago and my palate has changed a bit. I do enjoy the CAO Boss and the Camacho Triple Maduro quite a bit. Just never gave it a thought to try them again.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted:
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SteveRs version of premium is squewed towards his favor... Ie they can market crap as premium....

in fairness its not Sven's doing.... it is the industrry.... most industries have some form of this kind of nonsense
lou2row Offline
#24 Posted:
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At least Steve's answer is easy to follow. Tee, your right; every area in business has a misused terminology to push product. But since it is industry standard, I guess it makes sense to follow it. If everyone takes there own opinion on it, trades get tough to do. My premium and someone elses would vary and make for confusion.

Super premium is where things get cloudy. Is it a dollar amount? And is that MSRP or realistic price? Gurkhas RP is $20+ but Opus X are around $12. Which is more likely the super? Easy call.

And then there is bundle versus box. I've had some cheap crap that came in a box. And some finely made sticks that due to a sale, where offered as bundles.
lou2row Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 12-22-2006
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Okay, since I just asked more questions and didn't answer anything earlier, IMHO:

Cigars in the $10 range (actual going price) would be considered super premium.

fishinguitarman Offline
#26 Posted:
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Any cigar that I enjoy so much that I smoke 'em when I want something 'special'
lou2row Offline
#27 Posted:
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The only thing with that philosophy Fishy, is when a cigar you like goes out of production, no matter the cost, it tends to become "special".

Think about your favorite 5 Vegas A vitola. They are just a premium now because they are cheap and plentiful, but imagine if they were no longer available. Can a cigar BECOME a super just due to scarcity?

I like auction prices dictating because the manufacturer didn't decide the price and the retailer didn't decide the price. The smoker did, and that is the best determination of value, though still a broad one.
Slimboli Offline
#28 Posted:
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If I like a cigar ... then it's a 'super premium'.

That's all that matters to me, not all they 'hype' that cigar manufacturers put in their marketing hyperbole.

It could be a 50ยข cigar ... and if it's a good cigar ... then it's a 'super premium'.
Bluedevil Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2006
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Well Counrty knows what a Super Premuim is, here's what I received today!
AVO Lonnge
AVO 787
Zino PLatium Barrel
Winston Churchill #10
Padron Anniversary 1964 Churchill
Padron Aniversary 1964 Robusto
AF Fuente Grand Reserve
Davidoff Petit corona
Davidoff Short Perfecto
Ashton VSG
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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Posts: 98,506
Think
atccigar Offline
#31 Posted:
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Ahh yes. Now i see. I dont understand how i could ever have been confused
Speyside Offline
#32 Posted:
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Not to mention ultra premium cigars. It's marketing.
atccigar Offline
#33 Posted:
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So it seems. I was really thinking there was a standard like classic and antique cars or reposado and anejo tequila. Thought the supers had more care, maybe a master level cigar roller if there is such a thing and more aging
t33bone Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 10-25-2007
Posts: 27,374
Bluedevil wrote:
What does that mean to you?

It means Duke SUX. LOL
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