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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
The democratic goal. Socialized Healthcare is simply the first step. The McCain/Kennedy/Edwards dung-heap is the gateway to Socialism. This may be only opinion, but give it time to fester and watch the results.
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted:
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I am getting sick and tired of Sen John McCain and his left wing attitude! He might as well go over to the Democrats, or do they think he can do more damage as a Republican? Socialized Health Care seems to be his new goal. Charlie
unklebill Offline
#3 Posted:
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The Medical System has been left in the hands of the Private Sector for too long, and they have proven that they are unable to make it work for all people. Medical care is a neccessity of life, and for people not to have access to medical care is unacceptable for any great nation like America.

I do not see how the Republicans can want to have a private system of healthcare and then not hold them accountable for their actions. People should be able to hold healthcare and insurance companies accountable on any level. At the least state and Federal.

Bush would have insurance companies able to deny coverage, deny treatment, and have no way for the people to hold them accountable.

Also, why do we need limits on the amount that we are able to sue for malpractice? $500,000???? That is NOTHING to an insurance company and probably less than the doctors bill.
Charlie Offline
#4 Posted:
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Bill, typical reply from an ambulance chasing attorney and one reason we need "deep pockets" protection. Yes, they have plenty of money, but with that type of attitude, do you realize how many people would be slamming law suits in the name of pain and suffering and medical malpractice. Guess what? You would pay for it through insurance and medical cost hikes! Get a clue, it seems "Clown" McCain is now crabbing on the Democrats and objecting to the wording and getting a little angry for being used as the "frontal stooge" for this legislative nightmare! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted:
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uncle is correct (i was going to say right but he is not)an hmo is a clinic set up to make money, not provide the best medical care. my personal dr joined one because they had excellent benifits for dr's including vacation time and bonuses for saving money for the hmo. he left at the end of his contract so he could practice medicine. i don't care what name you give public health benifits, people are ENTITLED to be cared for by the medical profession. you all are to young to understand the real cost of medicine for older people. my choice was an hmo, where i could meds cheap or a wrap around, where i can stay with my own dr's, none of whom want to be under the hmo umbrella. my daily cost for pills would run something like $8.00 or more. what do you expect people that have limited income to do, die. people on soc sec are joining hmo's with lousy care because they can not afford the $250 + hit for pills. the pills are priced strangely enough so that whatever band you use cost the same per pill. i wonder why. next time one of you younger chaps gets a perscription for an antibiotic for the flu or whatever and bitch about the price, $45.00 for a 7 days supply, remember it's a short duration cost for you. suppose you needed that perscription for some pills that cost $5.00 per day forever. now you have a $150.00 bill per month and you are not getting a better car or a jetski, you are getting your life a little longer. than add the second pill the dr tells you that is necessary for your health, and you will get a glimpse of what's ahead. the reason hmo's want a limit is because they expect a certain amount of law suits because of the nature of the hmo. states that have no limit for the amount that can be sued, do not have any large amount of law suits. read molly ivans' column from texas.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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Rick and Uncle, the only left-minded individuals on this forum, have hit two key points of healthcare: Basic coverage and prescriptions. We could write a book on both, but don't blame "private sector" as being an evil entity. Fact is, no one is "refused" healthcare. Go in to ANY emergency room and see all of the uninsured. I agree that lower income families need coverage. If the government wants to play doctor, then they could open clinics in areas where it is needed. The government should NOT take control of the industry in general. What makes you think that Kennedy knows more about proper healthcare than the president of an HMO? Many countries have socialized heatlthcare. No country has BETTER healthcare. Why can't America realize that? As for prescriptions, I agree with Rick (gasp) that the situation is outrageous. The problem, however, is the individuals and the doctors, not the insurance providers. Doctors need to stop overprescibing and people need to treat pills like the expensive treatment that they are. Do you honestly think that the proper use of pills will improve once the government takes over and provides "free" prescriptions? I agree that the Healthcare needs to be revamped. But Government takeover is a joke. And the McCain/Kennedy bill will CREATE MORE UNINSURED. Because it allows individuals to sue their employer for choosing the healthcare provider. Employers will no longer cover employees, but will instead give cash towards insurance, which will be used to buy beer and cigarettes. Now these "poor, helpless victims" will have no health insurance. And you'll cry for Socialism to save their sorry asses. Liberals always do...
jjohnson28 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Look I've got no problem helping people that really need it!I do it all the time.I'd do more but I'm sorry the Government already takes more then 50% of what I earn in Taxes.Now can just one of you tell me where in the "Constituion of the United States" it says you have a right to government paid health care,We already have Medicare and Medicade NO?Rick you have the right to Life,Liberty and the persuit of Happiness.Now it seems that some of you have no problem taking the "LIFE" of unborn children,you'd like to sap every bit of "Liberty" in the persuit of a HAND OUT.Your not "ENTITLED" to SQUAT!!!That being said,now I'm in favor of closer supervision of HMO's but Law suits are not the answer,unless gross neglegence can first be proven by a review board(a non political one at that).John McCain is nothing but a Poser or Hoser take your pick!!!The Democrats can have him!!!
jjohnson28 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Actually Tailgater some of the larger companies have already seen the writing on the wall.A year and a half ago my company was aquired by a large international corporation.Everything was just hunkie dorie until the first of this year when they offered us an "expanded health care and benefit package" Don't you just love PC for somebody is goin' to get the shaft.The short of it is,they basically said there is no longer a company health care provider but you'll have many more choices to pick from.Now they basically just cut everyone the same size check and it's up to you to pick your benefit package.Sounds fair dosen't it?Guess what the older guys benefit packages that used to be taken care of,now cost them about $500 a year or so more than the rest of us,out of their own pockets.Now they could have given them the extra $500 but then that would be age descrimination.I myself wouldn't have a problem with that,but guess who would?Come on now you know the answer,don't you?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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tailgator:
"The government should NOT take control of the industry in general".
i believe we are attempting to return the right of medical care to the patients who are PAYING for the coverage.
"What makes you think that Kennedy knows more about proper healthcare than the president of an HMO?". kennedy doesn't no s**t about anything, but the corporate head of hmo is interested in bottom line, not total and complete health care, otherwise why do patients have to fight for a specialist when it is obvious that the front line semi-dr is over his head.
"Doctors need to stop overprescibing"
next time you see your dr and he prescribes medicine for you, tell him you don't want any medicine.
"people need to treat pills like the expensive treatment that they are"
as opposed to what, feeding them to pigeons.
"Employers will no longer cover employees, but will
instead give cash towards insurance, which will be used to buy beer and cigarettes."
do you really have such a low opinion of people in general? paranoia?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted:
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jjohnson28:
"Now can just one of you tell me where in the "Constituion of the United States" it says you have
a right to government paid health care" the same place it says you can keep assault weapons,
hidden hand guns, and bazookas. "LIFE" liberty etc. "some of you have no problem taking the
"LIFE" of unborn children". no one i know wants to take the life of unborn children, but this has
what to do with patients rights? "closer supervision of HMO's but Law suits are not the answer,unless gross neglegence can first be proven" correct, that's what a law suit determines by a jury, not some government overseers. i thought you didn't want government involved.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
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why can i buy the same medicine made by the same drug company in mexico for about 70% less than it costs here. why have food companies that have had infant food banned in this country because it is unsafe allowed to ship the junk to third world countries.
jjohnson28 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Rick I'm headed down to Ensenada,Baja Mexico next week over the 4th of July Holiday.To celebrate my Independence no less.LOL.Got any perscriptions you need filled ;0)
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted:
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Jim, smoke a Cuban or two while you are in Mexico! Charlie
jjohnson28 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Hey Charlie,I'm driving down to meet up with jcrimmins.
So I'm sure we'll torch a few ISOM's,not to mention a few brain cells.LOL.PS check your email.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted:
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Rick, What do you mean that you're trying to return the "right of the medical care to the patients who are paying"? What rights have been taken? If an HMO or other provider makes you go through "gatekeepers" to get full coverage, then so what? Do you really believe that an HMO is REFUSING coverage to paying customers? I may be paranoid, but I'm not gullible. Don't buy into the LIBERAL FEAR TACTIC. They never negotiate bills based on facts, they NEED FEAR to succeed. Every time.
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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Rick, as for trusting people to spend money wisely: If a lower-middle class gentleman is offered $200 a month in place of employer-paid health coverage, what percentage of those people will put that money into proper health insurance? Before you answer, remember that they are already overtaxed to support all of the other Socialistic Programs supported by their fiscally shrewd, never wasteful government. And if your faith in the American public gives you a number around 50% (which you know is too high), then what do you do for the other half which is now uninsured? Backdoor Socialism!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted:
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guys don't forget to "don't drink the water in mexico", always look at the kitchen before you eat, and bring your own cigars. how many boxes do you think cuba ships to mexico? probably 0. i have seen some monte 4's there with the nice green mould. just don't spend too much on what probably a fake.
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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Are you paranoid? :)
Charlie Offline
#19 Posted:
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Joe, leave Rick alone, he is only a little skeptical not really as paranoid as he seems! At least I think that is the case. Ha ha Charlie :):):)
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#20 Posted:
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do you know how difficult it is to respond when they only let me have crayons.
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