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Instead of bashing Obama-What's he done good?
HockeyDad Offline
#201 Posted:
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Mickey was the tall one.
teedubbya Offline
#202 Posted:
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oh yea. the one that got all the chicks
haon123 Offline
#203 Posted:
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"First, you started the name calling by calling me a liar with no basis."

No, I called you a liar the way that Joe Wilson called B. Hussein Obama a liar during his congressional address. You are a liar. Period. I thought you, if anyone, would appreciate that little nugget.

"Second, I did not point to a “causal” relationship. As post 126 and then 128 show, I used the word LINK, not causal relationship."

You said direct link. Meaning that one follows from the other, causation. Your words, not mine. You then go on to use a wrecked car analogy, stating that B. Hussein Obama wrecked the car. That's causal too, you hack.

"...you are not denying that there is a link to the market’s reaction after election day."

I pointed out there are many factors that go into each trading day, where you stated that it was Obama's election that caused the market to fall completely minimizing the outside causes which were extremely significant and ongoing (international banking crisis anyone?).
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#204 Posted:
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203. Author: haon123 Date: 09/15/2009 06:31 PM

"No, I called you a liar the way that Joe Wilson called B. Hussein Obama a liar during his congressional address. You are a liar. Period."

You have in no way been able to prove this accusation of yours, so that makes you a smear merchant. If you can explain to me that I falsely twisted the fact that we had the largest decline the day after an election in history, which is clearly a statistically significant event, then go ahead and try, you low life.
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""Second, I did not point to a “causal” relationship. As post 126 and then 128 show, I used the word LINK, not causal relationship.""

"You said direct link. Meaning that one follows from the other, causation."

You can play around with your semantics all you want, but if you want to state that Obama's election had NOTHING to do with the 5% decline the next day, after prices had been trending strongly high the week prior, you go ahead and do it. Until you can prove that, my statement is clearly reasonable and I dare say an obvious conclusion for all but the whack jobs on the left like you.

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""...you are not denying that there is a link to the market’s reaction after election day.""

"I pointed out there are many factors that go into each trading day..."

Actually you didn't point any of that out you liar.
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"where you stated that it was Obama’s election that caused the market to fall completely minimizing the outside causes which were extremely significant and ongoing (international banking crisis anyone?)."

I said: "But, there are times when a direct link can be drawn, such as the market experiencing its single largest one-day loss after a presidential election."

Are you going to argue that such an event is strictly coincidence? Go ahead and attempt the mathematical gymnastics on that one. You can't "prove" your contention that it was a coincidence, so by your logic that makes you a liar, see below:

167. Author: haon123

"You are drawing a causal relationship from one where data do not support it. It fits your politics so you report assumption as truth. You see a "direct link" and it does not exist.

That makes you a liar."

You can't prove that a direct link does not exist, so your statement that it doesn't makes you a liar by your logic. My contention is a reasonable and obvious one and thus is far from a lie. You really are a miserable liberal troll.
jpotts Offline
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124. Author: cbc812 Date: 09/15/2009 12:20 PM Reply

Sorry to upset you nutcases.

Palin was the poison pill in McCain’s presidency. The woman barely knows her ass from a hole in the ground. The prospect of her at the helm is scary.

But I suppose if your understanding of politics is limited to Rush Limbaugh talking points and email forwards, you may have missed this.

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Ummmm...no.

What killed McCain was McCain, pure and simple. He is a shining example of why the Republican party is no longer in power. He runs out, calls himself a conservative, then goes back to Washington DC and makes deals with Democrats, and goes out of his way to sh*t all over his party. A prime example of this was his stance on giving amnesty to illegal aliens, which a majority of Americans - Democrats and Republicans - were rabidly against.

Then, he has the audacity to claim he is a "conservative."

Right now, he's running around with the limp-d*cked little weiner Lindsey Graham trying to make the "Mobsters" believe that he's with them 100%. Frankly, I don't think it's going to wash.

Liberal idiots have been out there portraying Palin as trailer trash since day one. Given the base stupidity of most liberals, she's a beacon of intellectual thought by comparison. They know this. That's why they hate her so much: she's a threat. She's not one of those Ivy League clowns who know everything, and have done nothing, a scum-sucking lawyer (sorry pac and rfenst), or a person who has made their fortune on "public service"...meaning taking a paycheck for doing next to nothing.

Unlike liberals, real conservatives don't readily vote for someone who sh*ts all over them on a consistent basis - how else do guys like Carl Levin and Barney Frank get reelected every year? The only other alternative was Idi Amin Jr. (because no one votes for Libertarians thinking that they're actually going to win) who not only talked about things like PAYGO and tax cuts, but promised a change from the past. People assumed that he wasn't lying through his teeth, so they took a chance on him. Surprise!

Make no mistake, if it weren't for Palin, McCain wouldn't have gotten the votes he did.

You know, they made basically the same allegations about Reagan.

Then again, this whole criticism of Palin comes from a condescending jerk who's career is spent at a company that has to get by with public funds, and voted for a guy who is looking to regulate how much he makes.



And the guy who got suckered into voting for a Marxist African dictator-wannabe.
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"You can’t prove that a direct link does not exist, so your statement that it doesn’t makes you a liar by your logic. My contention is a reasonable and obvious one and thus is far from a lie."

And the gods of logic are crying.
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205: Palin equals or is greater than Reagan?

Yup, with that kind of logic you guys are a shoe in.
jpotts Offline
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207. Author: FuzzNJ Date: 09/15/2009 08:04 PM Reply

205: Palin equals or is greater than Reagan?

Yup, with that kind of logic you guys are a shoe in.

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This coing from a guy who voted for a Marxist socialist because of white guilt.
FuzzNJ Offline
#209 Posted:
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"This coing from a guy who voted for a Marxist socialist because of white guilt."

So many things wrong in that one sentence it's sad.
jpotts Offline
#210 Posted:
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Yes,

You are indeed sad.
FuzzNJ Offline
#211 Posted:
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210: /yawn then point and laugh and the childish retort.
jpotts Offline
#212 Posted:
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Well, that's the difference between you and I. I don't point because it is rude, and I never laugh at the mentally handicapped.

But if you want me to start laughing at you now...I'm cool with that.
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500!
jpotts Offline
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501
Chilly9321 Offline
#215 Posted:
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Damn Socialist Obama, went and created a 501 so everyone could have a say. Down with Socialism! 502
jpotts Offline
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196. Author: teedubbya Date: 09/15/2009 04:56 PM Reply

better than what bush and cheney called a reporter when not knowing the mike was on

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The problem with this statement is that both Bush and Idi Amin Jr. were right in these particular instances.
haon123 Offline
#217 Posted:
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206 - Ssshh! I'm trying to amuse myself here...
FuzzNJ Offline
#218 Posted:
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217: Sorry, continue.
jackconrad Offline
#219 Posted:
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The Last Puppet i liked was Greg the Bunny..
drywalldog Offline
#220 Posted:
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Man I leave for a day and all hell breaks loose. Yeah Robert right all Obama's fault. Keep you head buried in the sand where it belongs. Don't forget to keep drinkin your own koolaid. And by your means of following the market I guess it dropped from the high of 14026. to the low of 8077. on election day because Bush was still in office. That's twice the drop of Obama's tenure, plus it never rebounded under the superior Republican minds best policies.
haon123 Offline
#221 Posted:
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^ No, you see, it's B. Hussein Obama's fault. Because he took the lead in the polls and the markets were reacting to that.

Unless you can prove it's not true, it is.
robertknyc Offline
#222 Posted:
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Right drywall, I said it was all Obama's fault. Show me where I said that. You libs love to alter what your opponents say so that you can twist it into something that you can actually argue against. I never said it was all Obama's fault. I simply said that the market had a negative reaction to his election, and it did, demonstrably.
FuzzNJ Offline
#223 Posted:
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222: Ask him to prove a negative again Robert.
robertknyc Offline
#224 Posted:
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He made the charge, just asking him to prove it.
FuzzNJ Offline
#225 Posted:
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And this is why you make no sense. You have no logic. Can't follow a thread. Then blame others for it. It is not the 'liberals' on this board who are illogical and can't follow a thread dude, it's you. Seriously. No doubt about it. Read a book on logic. Learn.
haon123 Offline
#226 Posted:
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lol, the game is afoot...

Now for the proof that Rush isn't ruining America Robbie!

Don't forget, if you can't disprove it, it must be true...
FuzzNJ Offline
#227 Posted:
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ala glen beck raped and murdered a woman in 1991 dot com or whatever it is.
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220. Author: drywalldog

"Man I leave for a day and all hell breaks loose. Yeah Robert right all Obama’s fault."

Fuzz, maybe you're the one who needs help. drywall claims I said it was "all Obama's fault" as you can see above. I never said that and asked him to show me where I had. Somehow you can't follow that.
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Robert used car thing don't work for me, apples to oranges. The market went down with Obama getting elected, to 6626. Gleefully accepted on here by the right as a fact. The market closed up yesterday to 9626, just happens to be exactly 3000 points. You had a bottom in the market, now it seems to be rising. Don't confuse yourself with the car thingy, it was down now it's up. Cause if you take comfort in the fact it's only back to were Obama was elected, you must also take credit for the fact it dropped roughly 6000 points in Bush's tenure. I guess that didn't further contribute to the financial meltdown?
Haon said it was all Obama's fault, you just cut and pasted it.
haon123 Offline
#230 Posted:
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Damn, 6000 points! That proves Republican presidents are bad for the stock market!
robertknyc Offline
#231 Posted:
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haon the mental midget, you are the one who said this:

"You are drawing a causal relationship from one where data do not support it. You see a "direct link" and it does not exist.

That makes you a liar."

So since in your opinion I can't prove my thesis, it must be wrong. Then I adopted your "logic" that since you couldn't prove your theory that I was wrong, you must be a liar. I know it's hard for you brain to keep up. In essence, you are giving an opinion and not backing it up with anything and then calling people liars. Typical gutter politics of liberals.
haon123 Offline
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"So since in your opinion I can’t prove my thesis, it must be wrong."

Wow, just wow.
robertknyc Offline
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229. Author: drywalldog

"Cause if you take comfort in the fact it’s only back to were Obama was elected, you must also take credit for the fact it dropped roughly 6000 points in Bush’s tenure."

Why do I have to take credit for what Bush did? I never claimed everything he did was right. This thread is supposed to be about great things Obama has done, and I'm just saying the market is about where it was when he was elected, so he doesn't deserve any special credit for that, like you apparently think he does.
drywalldog Offline
#234 Posted:
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No Robert I actually don't think Obama deserves any credit, good or bad, as to what the market does. Unless it's because something in the economy starts to look much better, like unemployment, new home sales, or any other bell ringers. Just saying if he gets credit from the right for economy tanking to 6626, he gets credit when it's rising during his tenure also.
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232.

Okay statistical/market genius, like I'm going to publish a statistical analysis on this forum to prove my contention that the market dropped in reaction to Obama's election. And if I can't do that, I must be full of crap....riiiiight. I've been in this game for more than 20 years, what's your market background?
drywalldog Offline
#236 Posted:
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Markets were scared when Obama got elected, didn't know his course of action, plus alot of hard decisions had to be made quickly(much room for error, when acting quickly). That's why they tanked, there were good reasons why the tanked 6000 points under Bush, only problem was under Bush it never came back. Looks like market isn't as afraid of Obama anymore.
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#237 Posted:
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I heard today that he wants to make us register our guns with our SS#, and then tax our SS account 50 bucks per gun, each year. If you don't do this and you get busted (they find your guns), you become an automatic felon and go directly to jail........anyone hear this?

He Wants Our Guns!!
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#238 Posted:
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After 237 posts, I still haven't seen any serious, good accomplishments by Obama -- that's pathetic. We can argue about why the market goes where it goes, but that's really beside the point. All you libs who are debating these side issues, let's hear all the great things he has done.
drywalldog Offline
#239 Posted:
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He replaced George Bush in office.
robertknyc Offline
#240 Posted:
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Nice try, Bush was term limited out, he would be gone no matter who won.
drywalldog Offline
#241 Posted:
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Didn't say he beat him, just replaced him, small victory for the left.
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#242 Posted:
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He called Kanye West a Jackass, I plan on not saying one bad word about the man tomorow now....One day respite for good behavior.
fishinguitarman Offline
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#238...We haven't seen any because there AREN'T any....That's the sad part....NOTHING good has he accomplished!
gringococolo Offline
#244 Posted:
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Even Huffington is getting tired of him. Read for yourself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-obama-wont-be-able-to_b_286408.html?alacarte=1

or

http://tinyurl.com/krr8o5


Even the espoused Obama supporters can't come up with things he has done well. Mr. President, the time for blame is over.

I never trusted the guy, but had hopes a few things would change in the whitehouse. I think McCain would have been better at this point.

I don't believe that McCain would have been Bush III as people believe. McCain just has to much "reverence" for the Office (like thats a bad thing), and rarely has ever challenged presidents in a confrontational/hostile manner.



Really just totaly disgusted with Washington as a whole. I hope every incumbent gets the boot. Democrat and Republican alike. America needs to send a message that only politicians can understand. I will vote against all incumbents on the next election, I don't care who they are. I want to see 36 seat cushions with different ass imprints in them.
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I agree, but unfortunately even fresh blood will be corrupted there within a year, otherwise they become ineffectual and ignored or so they believe.


Idealism is dead. You must repent and join the camp..I mean...uhhh...Change. Yes, you must join the The Change.
haon123 Offline
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The reason that no one is answering your question is that the good things that are being done will be hand waved away.

That being said,

1) Two million additional acres of wilderness designated
2) Cash for Clunkers a raging success
3) $2500 credit for college students
4) 2500 New federal highway projects to date
5) Beginning implementation of Electronic Health Care Records
6) $8000 tax credit to purchase new homes for first time buyers
7) CARD act
HockeyDad Offline
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Also the Patriot Act is still in place.
gringococolo Offline
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Thank you Haon. I only think that the 2 million acres will be challenged (some is on a gas or oil reserve IIRC).

Good list.
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"2) Cash for Clunkers a raging success"



HUH???????????????????????????????????????????
FuzzNJ Offline
#250 Posted:
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He said:

CASH FOR CLUNKERS A RAGING SUCCESS!!
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