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WHO WILL COUNT THE DEAD?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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http://www.media-alliance.org/mediafile/20-5/index.html
tailgater Offline
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Do you mean to say that people are actually dying in this war effort?? I guess you are right. Bush is evil. He should model himself after our last "great" president, William Jefforson Clinton. We could turn the proverbial other cheek like Bubba did after the USS Cole (to name just one). Allah be Praised.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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strange that the military that bush said was so inadequate, you know, the one that clinton ruined, was able to deploy and win so well. my post was about the innocents, the ones who are just looking for their next meal.
engletl Offline
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I got two words for this bull$#!t journalism...collateral damage. The damn terrorists didn't care about civilians so why should we. Even the most "perfect" precision weapons will still fail. But just think of what the casulties would be if we resorted to carpet bombing as was the practice as recently as Viet-Nam. And furthermore these groups know that we "try not" to hit non-military targets, that is why they hide in Mosques, schools, and Hospitals. They are nothing more than cowards and we should feel no remorse for their destruction only for the oppressed that were forced to be their cover. And as for the racism crap our military is not a "caucasion militery" as he states but one of great diversity, even including AMERICANS of Arab decent. So for once try to see the real truths and not the anti-American "truths" of these media sources that wouldn't have any freedoms if it wasn't for our great country. Todd
tailgater Offline
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The irony lies in the fact that their last meal probably came complements of Dubya himself. Lest you forget, Rick, we gave the Afghans a choice. We simply asked for Osama to be handed over. They chose death. We provided their wish. When the innocent become the hunted, then I will join your crusade. Until then, realize that our intent is pure even if the results are human.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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excellent response, todd.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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tailgator: "Until then, realize that our intent is pure even if the results are human." i hope you meant inhuman or unfortunate.
Iron Bar Offline
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Hey ******-maven. It's called war dumbsh*t. In war, people get killed, even civilians. This, as evidenced by the thousands lying dead under the rubble of the former World Trade Center Towers in New York City. Or did your leftist news sources conveniently forget that? YOU are such a worthless piece of crap.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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iron man: no i haven't forgotten the dead in new york. is there no other way you can respond without the vulgarity? it demeans you.
Charlie Offline
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It is unfortunate that we have had to respond the way that we have, but it is good that we are not "turning the other cheek" as we have for the eight dark years under Freewilly, and are going to get the bastards for their cowardly acts that killed innocent people and started this entire thing! Civilians will die and that cannot be helped, but we are trying to keep the number as low as possible. God Bless George W. Bush and God Bless America! Charlie
tailgater Offline
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Rick, I did indeed mean "human". As in "to err is human". The point being that although our mortar shells are deliberate, they may create some unwanted results while doing the job intended. The end does not always justify the means, but in this case timing was critical when the exhaustive political efforts between 9-11 and early October proved futile. To delay could have meant more innocent AMERICAN lives. That is a risk I am glad we did not take. If we keep the bastards running and digging graves, then they can't very well plan phase II of their Jihad. To cry about foreign casualties when the stench of jet fuel, soot, and death still linger in our own backyard is not only "Un-American", its disrespectful.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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i only cry for the children as i cried for our people and their families. i don't think that is un or dis anything.
delarob Offline
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Mmmmm hmmmmmm. I see. This is not a conventional war. When you fight against an enemy that has no regard for civilian casualties, unfortunately, you also have to take that position as well.
Charlie Offline
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This is one case where I do not cry for the children. I regret to say that we are at war with "animals" who have no regard for anything sacred in our country, and while I agree that we should try to keep the civilian population death count as low as possible! What the hell determines just what is a civilian or a villian in this damn war? Charlie
tailgater Offline
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Rick, you may cry for their children, but cry for the right reasons. The very worst that can happen to them is that they survive and grow up to be like their ancestors. As soon as they are old enough to comprehend, they will be taught to forego family in lieu of "death to America". Their paranoia runs deep and their lot in life is Self Imposed.
plabonte Offline
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How does that saying go? "You can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs". Likewise you can't fight a war without some fatalities. Bush made the statment to the effect that the US will treat the terrorists and those that hide them in the same manner. If they are hiding out in schools then they were warned and I won't cry for their loss. I also can't tell you the number of pictures I have seen of children carrying weapons and training and showing their opposition to the US. IMHO we are just doing some preventative maintenance. Granted there are may be some good people dying. But we didn't ask for this war. We didn't attack them first. We are just protecting ourselves. But that is just my opinion.
Iron Bar Offline
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DICKmaven, my reply to your leftist bile doesn't demean me in any way, shape, or form you moron. The way you've totally missed scope and magnitude of the events since 9/11/2001, focusing on a few afghan civillian deaths, demeans your very intelligence by a factor of ten. Get with the program and stop posting your bull****.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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it is not your disagreeing with me that demeans you, most on this board do. everyone knows that all cigar smokers are illiterate survivalists, nasty, carry guns, and don't like anyone with a different religion or race, and they voted for george. what demeans you is the use of words like: "bile, moron and bul****".
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You forgot "******" if he meant it in that context! Iron Bar is obviously an idiot who does not believe that everyone is entitled to their viewpoint whether it is right or wrong! By resorting to personal attacks, it only shows that he strongly believes that "his" is the only viewpoint. I may not agree with Rickamaven on a lot of subjects but he has never(since I've been here) resorted to personal attacks. Idiots like Iron Bar clearly show the lack of knowledge that they have about a wide range of topics and can do nothing else in a healthy debate but to resort to personal attacks!
delarob Offline
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I am not illet, ilig, illi... I can read
gdurfor Offline
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That's right if these foreigners would keep their own
house in order we wouldn't have to go over there and kick their ass. I don't care if we kill a million of them if it saves 1 American life. They asked for it and we'll oblige em. Glenn
tailgater Offline
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The fued between Ironbar and Rick aside, I think this thread is a good example of Liberal Rhetoric. Rick has shown the ability to accept the fact that this war is necessary, but at the same time he belittles the efforts with cries of despair over the fact that innocent lives are being lost. Rick, we already know that. We don't have a long lived deep hatred for the Afghans. We are in support of our Country and our Armed Forces. We want the Terrorists killed or at the very least brought to justice. We are dealing with a people who don't understand "reason" or "compromise". This is the ONLY method that can produce results. To whine about the "side effects" does little to produce level headed conversation. Instead, it will prompt emotional responses. But that is why we like you. You show time and again why we don't fall for the Liberal Bull****, which is filled with Doom and Gloom. Perhaps you would like a Lawyer to sue Bin Laden for the attacks of 9-11. I support Accountability.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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the war was required. the war is won in part of the world. now we will go on to destroy terrorism where ever we can. iraq and iran should be next. am i not allowed to feel compassion for the innocents, those that were murdered on september 11 by a bunch of maniacs and those in afghanistan who have gotten killed because of the war simply because they lived there?
Charlie Offline
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It is certainly ok to salute a downed pilot in a dogfight or to admire the officers and men of a ship that you have sunk in warfare, but it is silly to show the same respect to a damn terrorist that is nothing more than a coward who declares war on innocent women and children by attacking our country without a declaration of war! But Clinton is not President, and they are being held accountable for their cowardly acts of agression against innocent civilians! Charlie
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Thats Right! Osama and them other f_in sum biatches messed up when they thought GW was anything like that pansie A$$ Clinton or Gore.Richard...probably the only thing in this world that can bring tears to my eyes is...children suffering and I feel for the those innocents that have lost there lives in Afganistan but I'll never for the life of me understand people like you that can somehow forget the fact that we are at war.
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-- pulled per cctmr request --
Charlie Offline
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I am not sure what you meant by "if it were not for GW and his Daddy", are you blaming GWB and forgetting that Bill Clinton was completely "soft" on Terrorism? Please explain! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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cttmr: all of our best to you. let us know when you are home and i'm sure we can take care of some of your cigar needs.
charlie: it's about oil.
Charlie Offline
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Rick, last I heard there was no oil in Afghanisthan...just poppies and rocks and sand! At least under GWB, we are not sitting on our hands and settling for killing a few camels and goats! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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PIPELINE!
Charlie Offline
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Oh! So What? Charlie
JBG Offline
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"strange that the military that bush said was so inadequate, you know, the one that clinton ruined, was able to deploy and win so well."----the majority of the fighting has been done by Afghan anti-Taliban forces, not U.S. troops. When you gripe about the commander-in-chief with histories highest approval rating, at least do so accurately.
JBG Offline
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...and BTW, in answer to your original question, I'll gladly volunteer my counting services.
tailgater Offline
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Hey newbie. First of all, THANK YOU for fighting the good fight. But I must ask what you mean when you blame the Bush's for the war. I will give you the benefit of the doubt since I'm not sure what context you intentended. I just hope it's not what I think.
delarob Offline
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Maybe it's just me, But I could have sworn I heard that the US was doing the most work, and that the Northern Alliance were just mopping up. Anyone else?
Charlie Offline
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We didn't start making any headway until our Special Ops and US Military got involved on the ground! The NAF would still be "surrounding" the cities if not for US Forces. Yes, they have the most troops, but 200 or more Afghanisthan troops do not equal 1 American! Charlie
plabonte Offline
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I have to agree with Delarob. I don't think I heard of any Anti-talibans dropping bombs.
Charlie Offline
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I am sure that I am about to make somebody mad, but it seems to me that the only way the Middle Easterners can fight is through terrorism, since it is apparent that tactical warfare is not up to their liking! They seem to be more adept at being snipers or using bombs that are hidden on their person. These are crazed people and I would love to see us take the entire (yes all of it) Middle East and rename it New Texas or USA Middle East! Charlie
plabonte Offline
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Great idea Charlie. Except only crazed people would want to live there. No wonder so many Middle Easterns are willing to die for their cause. Its a much better option then living in that area of the world.
Charlie Offline
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A good point! But think of all the great golf courses that are located in Saudi Arabia and other Anericanized things that are there! Of course we would benefit by the oil and we could plow under the rest of the mess! Maybe we could turn it into prison farms and compunds like in the John Carpenter films, "Escape from New York" and "Escape from LA"! Charlie
JBG Offline
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The majority of what we have done has been bombing and Spec Ops, not rank and file infantry. I'm not mocking our effort or involvement, just opposing Rick's notion that our military must be in great shape based on this success. Our military (as a whole) is woefully underfunded, undertrained, and underpayed thanks to Klinton.
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