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TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:15 PM EST
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I can't believe what I've been seeing more and more lately! A pack of wolves devouring one of their own. I am so very tired of the name calling and the bickering. When I view the postings I sometimes feel like I’m back in grade school with the bullies beating up the new kids or the kids that don’t belong to the ‘in’ crowd. We're not the FOGs and the FNGs, we're all lovers of the leaf!

It starts with slamming people new to our forum asking simple questions to ‘test the water.’ Is this a place they want to be, where a simple question leads to their humiliation? Would each of you have stayed if the pack had savaged you like I see happening on this forum?

It continues with bickering and name calling over politics. This is just what the politicians want. We attack each other and pay no attention to them. Sleight of hand better than any magician!

It ends with nasty, vicious comments because others make posts that don’t look like your post. Good Heavens!! It may be tough to read, but do we really need to continually bring it up and beat up the guys who do it? Goes back to picking on the kid who didn’t dress ‘cool,’ doesn’t it?

I believe we should respond to each other just as we would if they were sitting next to us at a big friggin herf! After all, we’re here for the love of the leaf, aren’t we? Each one of you is kind and giving and helpful so lets stop the fighting and get back to the real reason we’re here!
tank71663 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:19 PM EST
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You GO Girl !!!!


TANK
cigarbidwidow Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:30 PM EST
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Very well said Trish. THANK YOU!!!
Kazama Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:34 PM EST
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Well said, Trish!

We are losing some of the best BOTL from this forum because of the crap that that goes on here and Trish has only partially listed.

Do you wonder where E-Chick, the Deltas and others have gone because of the offensive behavior on these boards?

Keep on reminding them, Trish!

Kazama

DaSaP Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:41 PM EST
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Very well said!
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:43 PM EST
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Trish, nicely done.
Buckwheat Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:49 PM EST
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I'd say we all need a good spanking.
cexshun Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:50 PM EST
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I for one like the terms FOG and FNG. 'Newbie' has been beaten into the ground all over the internet that I now hate that term. Saying "Hi guys. I'm a FNG" is a welcome change.

Anyway, it seems that the storms have cooled down a bit. Except for 1 or 2 posts, you know, the arguements that generate 50+ posts, I thought the commeradery(sp?) was coming back.
RDC Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 12:51 PM EST
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Maybe the Post of Humiliation is in order.

Post the names of the offenders on a list for all to see, along with a link to their offense.

Leave the offenders name for one month for all to see.
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 1:46 PM EST
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And who determines who will go on the list?

Charlie
fpaternostro Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 1:57 PM EST
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Is all that I was saying! Doesn't make sense to beat someone up for doing the same things you continue to do ten times worse. The people with real class are the ones that put an end to it.
barryneedleman Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 1:57 PM EST
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Trish, Thank you. Very well said.

I personally would not like to see a list. I think that all of us can see who is out of line and who isn't. We aren't in grade school so there isn't a need to "put their names up on the board" so to speak.

John hay Cigars Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 2:28 PM EST
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Trish, I want to come up there to the land of cigOZ and give you a big hug!!!!! but my wife won't let me. So XXOOOXX. Thanks for telling the class to behave.
( ok now I am picturing you in leather with whips and .....I better stop) sorry widow, I will behave now.
cigarbidwidow Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 2:30 PM EST
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You better behave JHC or I will come downstairs in leather with a whip.
jetblasted Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 2:36 PM EST
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Take Pictures ! ! !
John hay Cigars Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 2:57 PM EST
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Jet, believe me I would have taken pictures. I guess i need to be bad. She came down within 1 1/2 minutes after me in cordiroys and a sweater. I'll try again later after the kid's in bed. Get ready Trish, it is for a good cause. If I only had a mister blunt costume to get her going....
cigarbidwidow Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 3:02 PM EST
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David, you don't have to be bad to get what you want. But we definitely need to put the kids in bed first (and turn the heat up a little more--it is cold in PA today).

Hmmm.... where is that camera? I hope it isn't packed already. There it is. Is it bedtime for the kids yet???


Sorry Jet--the pictures are for David's eyes only. You will just have to use your imagination.
John hay Cigars Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 3:05 PM EST
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( keep your eye on the picute post)
John hay Cigars Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 3:06 PM EST
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(picure..pictc...PICTURE)
cigarbidwidow Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 3:57 PM EST
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David---are you that worked up already that you can't spell?

myash07 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 3:58 PM EST
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LOL! @ David!
Kazama Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 4:15 PM EST
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Trish wrote:
"It continues with bickering and name calling over politics. This is just what the politicians want. We attack each other and pay no attention to them."

So many people do not understand that they are being manipulated, Trish. It's so sad. Their heads filled with propaganda and lies and the desire to point their fingers and blame someone, anyone but themselves and their "leaders".

Kazama


barryneedleman Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 4:16 PM EST
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LMAO @ JHC and the Widow.........

The visuals are priceless.
jackconrad Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 4:18 PM EST
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Widow, Fuel is expensive . Ya gotta make your own heat nowdays!
cigarbidwidow Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 4:20 PM EST
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We are getting ready for that now. Mathew is in bed. LOL.
Charlie Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 4:20 PM EST
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Dave and widow, LMAO!!!!! Enjoy your Pain!!!!

Charlie
strider32 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:33 PM EST
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Jigglers for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wagner Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:36 PM EST
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Trish:

I agree with your observations. I had been personally attacked and it wasn't until one brother spoke up denouncing the verbal accusations that the foolishness stopped and I received some semblance of an apology.

I think when we notice a BOTL or SOTL being unfairly or improperly treated we have an obligation to call the perpetrator on their actions. I don't think lists will work because some of these folks might actually like that. As a final resort the most effective measure might be for others to simply refuse to respond to the posts of those individuals. There is nothing they hate more than being ignored. It is the attention they crave more than anything.

Just my thoughts,
Wagner
Wagner Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:38 PM EST
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By the way it's only 2 or 3 individuals and I think we all know who they are.

Wagner
DiceMan Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:48 PM EST
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LOL. People need to slam others, to make them feel good about them selfs. It's human nature.



NEXT!!!!
mrtelcom Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:53 PM EST
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SHOULDN'T THIS BE POSTED ON THE MISC. FORUM?






heh heh heh
j/k.
Slimboli Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:54 PM EST
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"By the way it's only 2 or 3 individuals and I think we all know who they are."

God ... I hope I'm one of them ... ;^)
Slimboli Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:54 PM EST
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mrtelcom --- you took the words right out of my mouth ... LOL!
Wagner Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:56 PM EST
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Slimboli:

Nope, I wasn't referring to you.

Sorry,
Wagner
Slimboli Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 5:58 PM EST
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"Do you wonder where E-Chick, the Deltas and others have gone because of the offensive behavior on these boards?"

I have seen many good people leave because of the offensive behavior on these boards ... but let's not lose perspective ...

... 'some' of those that left, were also those who offended.
Wyteyes Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, May 20 2005, 7:44 PM EST
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Trish: Well said.....

John :o)-
John hay Cigars Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 3:39 AM EST
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Wagner and Slim, very good points.
Jack, thanks for the help with the fuel bill.
Speaking of cigars and related...what to smoke today?????Time to bring out the cigarfest bag again.
BLISTER Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 4:20 AM EST
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Dave,

Shouldn't you be packing?
cigarbidwidow Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 5:58 AM EST
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Sorry to threadjack last night---now I know what people mean when they talk about posting after having some refreshments. LOL.

Packing.... that is on the list for the day. 10 more days to go.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 6:32 AM EST
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Thanks for the positive responses. Don't worry, there won't be a 'List of Shame' but I think some of you would be surprised at who would be included if there WAS such a list.

Folks, this problem isn't about just the new people coming on board - a LOT of FOGs are equally guilty.
You guys do a great job of monitoring yourselves. I think the suggestion of ignoring them might work, but a little private contact with gentle reminders to the offenders might work even better. From what I see, you all have each other's email addresses. When you see someone doing something that is a little over the top, let them know. It's much more effective coming from a friend than Big Brother (me!) LOL

Thanks guys. I know we'll be back on track in no time!


Charlie Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 6:36 AM EST
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My thoughts:

Think before you fire back a response.
Will what you say make sense or just offend?
Do you mean to offend or counterattack?
Try and be exact with your response, sometimes I ramble and jumble-which is also wrong!
Even if you disagree and really want to "Slimslap" the poster, think about the action and reaction!

I am trying not to offend and be abrassive. Problem is that some folks look for those kind of responses when they post.....yes, you know who you are!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 6:39 AM EST
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Oh, I do not mean to gather round the campfire and sing spirituals and folk songs together......LMAO! Kumba ya my Lord Kumba ya!

Spirited discussions are good, but some things, like the incident last week that caused myash07 to temporarily leave the boards was abbrassive, stupid and wrong!

Charlie
ryantp Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 6:51 AM EST
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nice post, trish.
Liz62803 Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 8:22 AM EST
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Trish awesome post, but wrong part of the board, this needed to be put on Misc where most of what you pointed out goes on. Might be good to post it there too. hugsss

Liz
Sterling Robert EDD 7.4.05
Slimboli Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 8:44 AM EST
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Good idea ...

I just did the 'copy and paste' job over on the 'Miscellaneous' board ...
parrotperch Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 10:48 AM EST
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Very well said Trish and high time too. I'm sure this needs to be on the Misc. board but I for one am glad to see it here. I don't peruse the other board for the reasons stated here but I have seen plenty of heated 'disussions' on all manner of topics on this board. This is perhaps my 6th or 7th post but I have been here three years. Does that make me a FNG? Does it matter? I'm here to learn about cigars and 90% of what I have learned about 'gars, storage, humidification etc. has been learned on this forum. Thanks to all of you who are so willing to provide that info and take the time to write and post such.

Gary
GB of Metaline
mydsooner Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 1:03 PM EST
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Some things that have been going on here cant be fixed by us. Maybe the host should look at themselves to police things that are said.

I can tell someone to not post those comments but who am i but another poster to them. We dont have a post count next to our names so people just have no respect for our experience. Does that sound right? I think the host should start cracking down on some of these people. Let them buy cigars but ban them from the boards for as long as you see fit. Trust me...they will come back. But until something happens...some of us have found other places that we can weed out this type of behavior.

I guess what im trying to say is.....This is your forum...dont ask the inmates to keep the peace.


mydsooner Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, May 21 2005, 1:03 PM EST
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WOW!!! That might raise a few eyebrows. Oh well...someone needs to say it.
jimbarr Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, May 22 2005, 8:42 AM EST
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Hear hear! Complaining about a newbie posting something old or tired is like doing the same thing twice! If you are complaining about an old topic, or some one making a post about overbidding, you are ADDING to what you dislike!
Slimboli Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, May 22 2005, 8:48 AM EST
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mydsooner --- you would be surprised at how many people have had their posting privileges taken away since the start of these forums ...

... some permmanently, some temporarily ...

Some of those who have had the temporary 'banishment', have returned ... some have not.

Those that didn't return ... most likely still bid ... we but we are probably better of that they refrain from posting.
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