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NPR Firing of Juan Williams
bpuls Offline
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What do you all think of this? I think he got the shaft & would have a pretty good case for Wrongful Termination.
but in the end, I think he's better off because he looks like a hero & Fox will probably hire him.
HockeyDad Offline
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I have heard nothing of it.
borndead1 Offline
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Fox has already given him more work. I believe he is going to be hosting O'Reilly's show on Fridays. Brilliant move by Fox, because it actually gives a bit of legitimacy to their "fair and balanced" slogan.

This was a total bitch move by NPR. I'd be willing to bet the decision was made by a single person, one of their top people, and Juan had no chance.

Do I agree with his views? 98.2% of the time, no. But the dude holds his ground, even when surrounded by republicans on a Fox round table discussion.
JadeRose Offline
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I think he'll survive. Fox has already signed him to a 2 Million dollar contract. He be a'ight.
gringococolo Offline
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It was absolute garbage. Gonna cost NPR some future funding all in the good name of a balanced budget and govt spending cuts. Them people's are arrogant if they think there wont be reprocussions.
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It was his recent comments critical of Muslims that cost him his job at NPR. No great loss for the guy; Fox offered him a job immediately and public opinion is largely on his side.
donutboy2000 Offline
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robertknyc Offline
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Just another example of liberal tolerance and advocacy for free speech.
rfenst Offline
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robertknyc wrote:
Just another example of liberal tolerance and advocacy for free speech.




None of this has anything at all to do with the First Amendment.

Seems like there is a serious back-story that hasn't fully been leaked yet. Here is one Wikipedia one explanation:

"According to NPR, the remarks were "inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR."[8] As to the reason for the termination of Williams' contract, NPR’s CEO Vivian Schiller offered the following comment, "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts".
gringococolo Offline
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I was about his feelings, not his opinion. His opinion was actually counter his feelings the way I heard it.
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9.

Rfenst, what this is about is the far left leaders of NPR stifling free speech of anyone employee that does not agree with them. Williams asked what journalistic standard he broke and they had no answer. He did not express a policy opinion, just a personal feeling. He has been on Fox for years, and only this non-PC opinion got him fired. The hypocrisy is that another NPR correspondent, Nina Totenberg, once said on their air that she hoped Jessie Helms got AIDS...she is still their legal affairs correspodent. So, it is transparent far left political bias at work. Williams himself said he thought the left was the bastion of free speech, and that he learned the hard way that, at least in this case, they are not.
jpotts Offline
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Poor Juan, he thought he was one of the liberal cool crowd, and then discovered what happens when you stray from the cool crowd's dictates. Liberals are notorious for not having a lot of compassion for people who stray from the plantation.

He got what he deserved. He can cound himself fortunate that Fox was waiting in the wings.

He can also count his blessings that he wasn't near a tree when the NPR people came calling. Otherwise he might have found himself being lynched. White elitist liberals don't like it when people with darker skin tones start thinking for themselves...
jpotts Offline
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rfenst wrote:
None of this has anything at all to do with the First Amendment.

Seems like there is a serious back-story that hasn't fully been leaked yet. Here is one Wikipedia one explanation:

"According to NPR, the remarks were "inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR."[8] As to the reason for the termination of Williams' contract, NPR’s CEO Vivian Schiller offered the following comment, "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts".



Yes, like the news analyst that still works at NPR who publically came out and hoped Jesse Helms and his family got HIV.

Your "swallowing a camel whole" trick is rather amazing to watch...
borndead1 Offline
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I read a little more of this story yesterday. Apparently Juan has had his peter slapped before about things he's said on Fox. I *GUESS* I can see NPR's point in a way...they don't want their people becoming pundits or cable news talking heads. But if that's really the case, they should forbid their people from participating in "round table" discussions and the like. My guess is Juan pissed off the wrong suit at NPR and he had a target on his back. Whatever the case, this was a dumb move by NPR. Gives Fox more credibility while diminishing theirs.


"According to NPR, the remarks were "inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR."[8] As to the reason for the termination of Williams' contract, NPR’s CEO Vivian Schiller offered the following comment, "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts".


Huh? Like I said, if that's the case then they should not allow their news analysts to participate in round table discussions, where people take personal public positions on controversial issues!!!!!!!!
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borndead1 wrote:
I read a little more of this story yesterday. Apparently Juan has had his peter slapped before about things he's said on Fox. I *GUESS* I can see NPR's point in a way...they don't want their people becoming pundits or cable news talking heads.


Two words: Tavis Smiley.
jpotts Offline
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Or how about, "Cokie Roberts?"

Yep. She's NEVER had an opinion while being a news "analyst" for NPR.
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Here is the reasone he was fired according to NPR CEO Vivian Schille: "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts". I do not know if that is part of the exact language of his employment contract ori it is e end of the day the guy got fired from his simply a known journalistic standard. We do not know if there were any other reasons. At the end of the day, the guy got fired by one of his employers. Big deal. I they were out of line for doing it, then they will owe him compensation.

jpotts Offline
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NPR's justification is utter BS, and probably one of the stupidest ever given (which isn't surprising as it is dominated by leftist liberals). The whole point of a news analyst is to take news of current events, and provide an O-P-I-N-I-O-N for the purpose of providing either context or clarification. An OPINION is little more than a personal position based on the evidence. A "correspondent" is supposed to relay the unabridged and unadulterated facts from the event to the general public. Therein lies their difference.

And as we all know, there is no such thing as news that doesn't highlight controversy. Nope. Never happened until now.

The whole news "analysis" thing is done by Olbermann, Madow, Matthews, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and so on. Juan was hired as a news analyst at NPR (according to Schiller's very own frickin' words), not a correspondent. As per usual, the lefty liberals at NPR either have their head up their a**, or are trying to re-define words so as to appear as if they don't have their head up their a**, when they actually do.

Either way, everyone at NPR walks around with their head up their a**. Which is nothing new for leftists liberals. And to think they get paid good money to be a bunch of dumba**es.
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So what.
At the end of the day, he got fired.
WGAF...




















































borndead1 Offline
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Williams: NPR was looking for reason to fire him (AP)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101022/ap_en_ot/us_npr_analyst_fired


LMAO! Even Muslims are defending the guy: http://tinyurl.com/2bbpo79
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rfenst wrote:
So what.
At the end of the day, he got fired.
WGAF...



RACIST!

















































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rfenst wrote:
Here is the reason he was fired according to NPR CEO Vivian Schille: "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts".


I heard that reason several times the day it happened. Of course, those standards of conduct were also intact when NPR correspondent Nina Totenburg wished Jesse Helms and/or his grandchildren would contract AIDS. That's some good, straight-up, non-commentary news reportin' right there.

I suppose the difference in that case was she was making the comment about a non-PC individual, therefore "journalistic standards" don't apply.

Then there's the comment another NPR individual made about how the world would be a better place if 4 million Christians would suddenly disappear. He's still employed by NPR. As is the "reporter" who referred to Tea Party Members as "teabaggers". But again, that's OK, under their "journalistic standards". I've listened to NPR for years. There's damn little straight up fact reporting without spin or commentary passing for fact. It's constantly mixed with personal observation and little interlude pieces of "whimsical, folksy tripe" to make the pony-tail-knot relics who didn't completely fry their brains at Haight-Asbury feel smart and superior.

Before I go any further with this, I agree with very little of what Juan Williams has said over time. But I have always liked the guy, because he can present his position with class and he can make you think. I used to like Allan Colmes in much the same way, in his early days on Hannity and Colmes, before he became a gotcha soundbite guy in an attempt to raise his radio ratings.

Real reason Juan is gone: It was a constructive discharge. They've been lying in wait for a chance to get him, because he appears on Fox News. His being a high-profile liberal making regular appearances on Fox gives credence to the Fair and Balanced. NPR and their sugar daddy - George Soros - did not like that. So George put the hit out on Juan and paid for it with his latest $1.8 million contribution to NPR. They cherry picked a line, spun it out of context, and then in true liberal fashion, assassinated his character on the way out the door by suggestion he's a wack job who needs a shrink. Heh heh heh - pour me another glass of that heavenly chardonnay.

As an added bonus, NPR doesn't have to deal with any black correspondents now. They got rid of their only high-profile black reporter when they gassed Juan.
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Here is an eplanation of what Williams has to stay on the matter:

"Following his firing from NPR, Williams appeared on The O'Reilly Factor and offered his thoughts on his role at Fox playing into NPR's decision: 'I don't fit in their box. I'm not predictable, black, liberal. You [O'Reilly] were exactly right when you said you know what this comes down to. They were looking for a reason to get rid of me because I'm appearing on Fox News. They don't want me talking to you.'"

Wikipedia
HockeyDad Offline
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I just went on Wikipedia and changed it to read "The Jewish cabal wanted me removed!"
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HockeyDad wrote:
I just went on Wikipedia and changed it to read "The Jewish cabal wanted me removed!"



Which Cabal?
HockeyDad Offline
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There's more than one?

Oh crap.
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rfenst wrote:
So what.
At the end of the day, he got fired.
WGAF...



I do, what next employer pre-approval of all conversations?



I actually like Juan Williams, I don't agree with him much, but I believe he is honest.


Whistlebritches Offline
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Juan is one of the few libs I have great respect for.He seems genuine and humble.Truly a class act amongst a bunch of blowhard NPR azzclowns.


Ron
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Gene363 wrote:
I do, what next employer pre-approval of all conversations?



I actually like Juan Williams, I don't agree with him much, but I believe he is honest.




I hate to break it to you so hard, but employers alreadsy have that right and have for quite some time...
Whistlebritches Offline
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^Counselor


I agree If and only IF Juan had stated an opinion.He did not.......his statement was he FELT fear amongst those who were first and foremost Muslims.Your employer cannot control your feelings.Hell most humans have no grasp on their feelings.....most continue to lie to themselves day in and day out and never really gain any ground on unwanted feelings.

I hope NPR gets slapped with a major lawsuit.........yet I doubt it.Juan doesn't seem like the type to dig the knife in any further.However stranger things have happened.


BTW if employers can fire you for your opinions.....so be it.I've always stuck by my guns.Other jobs with truly open minded people running them do exist.


All this has proven to me is that I am now right and always have been about the left.They only want you in their company if you're willing to duck walk to their tempo.Having opinions/thoughts/feelings other than whats allowed by them is verboten.Truly a mindless bunch of Marxist.


Ron
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