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Stinkdyr Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 3:48 PM EST
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NBC’s Brian Williams last week reported, “The latest figures show 72 percent of African-American newborns in the United States arrive from single mothers, most of them teenagers.” (Date: November 7, 2010, NBC Nightly News) They immediately land on welfare rolls as “Aid to Dependent Children.” Similar figures include Hispanic teen single mothers. These unmarried teen mothers fail to graduate from high school—while they birth two, three, four and more children while living full-time off welfare.


http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010113012231/life-and-science/culture-wars/americans-hiding-from-reality-personal-responsibility.html
dsmokers Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 3:50 PM EST
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So? or are you posting this randomly in case anyone gives a crap about what Brian Williams has to say? What's the point? What was your goal in posting this? Do you have an opinion?
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 3:53 PM EST
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Limit welfare benefits!!!!! Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 3:57 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
So? or are you posting this randomly in case anyone gives a crap about what Brian Williams has to say? What's the point? What was your goal in posting this? Do you have an opinion?



Way to go Clevon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:05 PM EST
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RACIST!!!!!!!


White single mothers have welfare babies too!
Stinkdyr Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:07 PM EST
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It seems like an unsustainable project to keep breeding more and more welfarians.
Race doesn't matter.
dsmokers Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:19 PM EST
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When God said "go forth and procreate" He wasn't expecting the Devil to whip out that dollar bill and screw it all up. Now we have a real paradigm. Do we horde our sinful money, or give it to those that are actually populating the land as ordered by God Himself?
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:25 PM EST
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^ you'd be funnier if you weren't so predictable.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:28 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
When God said "go forth and procreate" He wasn't expecting the Devil to whip out that dollar bill and screw it all up. Now we have a real paradigm. Do we horde our sinful money, or give it to those that are actually populating the land as ordered by God Himself?




so.... God wants me to give all my money to the crack babies..??? Huh
dsmokers Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:34 PM EST
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ZRX, so would you.
dsmokers Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:35 PM EST
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I guess that would depend on whether or not God feels that all black teen unwed mothers smoke crack as you do.
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:39 PM EST
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Ah.....I'm rubber you're glue!

ZIIIIIINNNNNNNG!!!!
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:39 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
I guess that would depend on whether or not God feels that all black teen unwed mothers smoke crack as you do.




I am not a black teen unwed mother ....... Shame on you
borndead1 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 4:49 PM EST
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Dsmokers, the point is that it is UNSUSTAINABLE to have a growing number of welfare recipients. So unless income taxes are raised (a lot) and we borrow even more money from China and the international banking cartel, s-hit is gonna crash eventually.
delarob Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 5:30 PM EST
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Technically it's AFDC - Aid to Families with Dependant Children. In the 90's that was then changed to TANF - Temporary Assistance to Needy Families.

What a lot of people don't know is that anyone that receives Welfare must also cooperate with child support. If a child receives Medicaid, there has to be at the very least a medical order. So the costs of welfare actually reach out further than most people know since we are federally funded by 66% federal funds. Illegals, they get emergency welfare but not like legal people do. We still however have to provide free child support for them. Most of time it's a dead case since they don't have ssn"s and if one is used we waste money chasing someone who they stole the # from. There's a 5 year lifetime cap on welfare, but they just switch off custody alot of the times to keep the check coming.

I understand people need help. But if you show no effort to do for yourself other than to pick up the phone and bitch about why your check is late, or that the state workers have another holiday when you ass is on permenant vaca, you should be put into a lifeskill program with the promise of employment or you get cut off after a certain time. 5 years is too long to languish and it just breeds complacency.
dsmokers Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 5:34 PM EST
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Delerob, now we're getting somewhere. Solutions instead of bitching about how someone else is stealing what's mine. Thanks for that input. Difficult situation our welfare system is.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 5:45 PM EST
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Confused Didn't I say the same thing in post #3..?? no repect I tells ya.. no repect.... Mellow
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delarob Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 5:53 PM EST
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Funny thing is the feds make you adhere to certain standards. That's understandable, it's your tax money, you should expect a reasonable return on your money right? Well when they make the standards so high and then they stack the deck against you to the point that you can't reach their lofty goals, they withhold funds. Now the states have to make up the difference and you get situations like they have in California where the states are going broke, begging and pleading the feds to do something, anything to help. The welfare/illegal problems are rampant.

You can sanction a client for non-coop. However the benefits will never stop for a child. A Tanf sanction will cut off cash to the entire household, but they know how to string the agencies along so it looks like they're cooperating, but they aren't. Now, is everyone like this? Obviously not. But you can't have an agency whose job it is to give money away, also have a division whose job it is to take money. They ought to be seperate agencies because you have to have a means to recoupe the money without being beholding to the agencies rules that give it.

We have a boatload of labor sitting in prisons. Instead of giving stimulus money to bs projects, give it to the states to fund programs to give people an option to learn a skill or work off their offense. We have way too many repeat offenders going in and out of prison like a motel. Again, what are we really getting for our tax dollars? A criminal off the street? Well when we fill the prisons and we start relaxing the sentences they aren't doing anything other than going through the motions and wasting more tax dollars. The people in prison are getting housed, fed and medical for free. It's no womder they go on welfare when they get out. It's what they know.

This won't change just by changing some rules here and there. You have to make a change that effects a whole generation so that THEIR kids don't get caught in the cyle. That means tough love. Unpopular changes. And politicians don't like to be unpopular.
delarob Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 5:54 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Confused Didn't I say the same thing in post #3..?? no repect I tells ya.. no repect.... Mellow



Yep, I'm just a little more verbose.
tonyt722 Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 6:07 PM EST
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Whats a Welare?
DadZilla3 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 7:24 PM EST
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tonyt722 wrote:
Whats a Welare?


It's a type of Marxist social engineering and wealth redistribution that Democrats use to generate a virtually unlimited supply of new supporters.
tonyt722 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 7:26 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It's a type of Marxist social engineering and wealth redistribution that Democrats use to generate a virtually unlimited supply of new supporters.

So its the ugly cousin of welfare?
wheelrite Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 8:14 PM EST
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Black chicks turn me on
fiddler898 Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 8:23 PM EST
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I'm all for well air!
calavera Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 9:53 PM EST
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Cut off welfare. No more money for free.

You need money, you come into the welfare office in the morning. They tell you what your job will be that day. Some people clean trash from public places. Some clean toilets in government buildings. Some work at the sewage lagoon. Some pick up trash. Some work at the landfill. Basically all the **** jobs that we have public employees doing now. The current employees become supervisory staff.

Some of the welfare people work as childcare providers for the kids of the people doing the other **** jobs. Some of the welfare people work as cooks making the meals that the welfare people eat while at "work". Some of the welfare people work in the gardens and at the farms raising the food that the other welfare people eat.

You don't come in and work, you don't get welfare.

At the end of the day, you get paid for the work you do. The quality/quantity of work you do, not just the hours you were there playing with yourself.

Welfare problem solved. More people keep getting on welfare, the jobs get s******r.


J



Let the liberal outcry begin.
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 10:09 PM EST
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No welfare money without a drug test.

1/2 the problem solved.
wheelrite Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 10:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No welfare money without a drug test.

1/2 the problem solved.




Stoned welfare moms turn me on...
dsmokers Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 10:39 PM EST
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Calavera, from an economic standpoint your idea will last about 1 day, then it will fail. Considering how many people you intend to put OUT of work to make new jobs for your segment.

ZRX, that suggestion does little more than satisfy your need to blame someone for your own shortcomings. Who's going to pay for the drug tests? Please explain how this whole drug test plan will help?
wheelrite Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 11:00 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
Calavera, from an economic standpoint your idea will last about 1 day, then it will fail. Considering how many people you intend to put OUT of work to make new jobs for your segment.

ZRX, that suggestion does little more than satisfy your need to blame someone for your own shortcomings. Who's going to pay for the drug tests? Please explain how this whole drug test plan will help?


jeez ,,

I want the Govt to pay for my booze as well as welfare recpients drugs,,,

get it Einstein ????
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 11:15 PM EST
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THEY pay for the drug test.
donutboy2000 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Dec 2 2010, 11:53 PM EST
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Welcome back adroomi !
DadZilla3 Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 3:21 AM EST
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calavera wrote:
You need money, you come into the welfare office in the morning. They tell you what your job will be that day. Some people clean trash from public places. Some clean toilets in government buildings. Some work at the sewage lagoon. Some pick up trash. Some work at the landfill. Basically all the **** jobs that we have public employees doing now. The current employees become supervisory staff.

Let the liberal outcry begin.


I guarantee that the first weeping and gnashing of teeth will be that it's unfair to force welfare recipients to work just to survive.

You know...like the rest of us have to do.
dsmokers Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 4:38 AM EST
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Yeah! Because welfare recipients are ALL a bunch of lazy bums. They don't have a work ethic like ours. We're superior! Superior I say!

Meanwhile a monkey is staring at the sky somewhere over Africa thinking about chess.
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 6:27 AM EST
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Knight takes Queen. The other monkey made a dumb move because it was daydreaming about sugar cane.
calavera Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 7:25 AM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
Yeah! Because welfare recipients are ALL a bunch of lazy bums. They don't have a work ethic like ours. We're superior! Superior I say!

Meanwhile a monkey is staring at the sky somewhere over Africa thinking about chess.




Didn't say that they are all a bunch of lazy bums. Just don't see how it is justifiable to take money from those who earned it and give it to those who don't.

Since you are passionate about this topic, why don't you tell me, since no other liberal I have talked to yet has been able too- what makes it right to take money from those who earn and give it to those that don't?

How do you justify welfare?

And let me counter your first salvo of "Because it is the right thing to do" with my reply of "I don't think it is the right thing to do". So now that that opinion and my opinion cancel each other out, give me a legitimate reason why it is okay.

I am not saying that charity is wrong. If you want to give a third of your income to help people without jobs, you can do that. It is your choice. I would not take charity and I don't expect to give any either.




J
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 7:45 AM EST
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donutboy2000 wrote:
Welcome back adroomi !



I had him pegged after his 4th post!

The buffoon was talking about drugs...AGAIN!!!
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 9:09 AM EST
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calavera wrote:

You need money, you come into the welfare office in the morning. They tell you what your job will be that day.




They could pick lettuce...Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 9:11 AM EST
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tonyt722 wrote:
Whats a Welare?



Della's ba$tard son?
Stinkdyr Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 9:54 AM EST
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End welfare breeding.

If you want my money to sit around and do nada..........I want you neutered.

Applause
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 10:01 AM EST
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Mellow A mind is a terrible thing to waste...
delarob Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 10:27 AM EST
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You'll never get a common ground on welfare, mostly because the sytem is loaded with fraud, yet it's own rules discourage the reduction or termination of benefits even when caught. It teaches no self reliance, you aren't held to any strict guidlines on finding gainful employment, It creates dependancy and the recipients themselves aren't ecpected to repay the money so what values are you teaching here. In a broken home, the absent parent is expected to repay the state and when you have a system like that how in the world are you realistically ever going to get in the black? Sure they come up with EBT cards and programs that only allow you to purchase certain necessities, but the people who purchase them know they can go to the Korean grocer on the corner who'll buy it back below cost or exchange it for cigarettes, lottery or hot foods. The people repaying the funds have no say as to how the money is being spent. What is wrong with the state requesting bills and a spreadsheet of how the welfare is being spent? They don't even have to take any financial responsibility classes. It's like putting a bag of food in front of a dog, they'll keep eating and eating with no regard to the amount left. All they know is the master always puts another bowl down.

By expecting people to work for the money you don't put people out of work, you take these folks and have them do the endless jobs that companies bid on. We have a cleaning crew here that the state pays. Many jobs are bid on and they have to take a percentage of minority companies. Well, if the percentages of welfare recipients are truly minority, doesn't putting them to work in these jobs fill the quota that we need to acheive? By sinking stimulus money into programs such as these, the money goes directly where it's been intended all along. Again we fall back to the politicians who won't vote on it because then they can't redirect the $$ to special earmarks for their own gain. So again I fall back that these agencies cannot be state or federally supervised. It has to be privately run and not be beholding to political oversight.

Currently we reward more children with more money. We need to reward more children with LESS money, especially if you're already on state assistance. You can't afford the ones you have now, what the ef are you doing having more? Noone is telling you what you can do with your body, but we can damn sure tell you what to do with our money. Oh, and the father isn't in the home? Another penalty. Don't even know his name, even less.

You have two chance to comply with the rules. Break them the first time and get a time out. Break em again, yer done. We arn't going to play these games. Your getting assistance because you need it. And yes you're absolutely right it's embarrassing. It should be. It's not a badge of courage. Encourage others to speak up when they see fraud. Reward it. And if it proves to be ficticious and done for personal gain, buh bye.

dsmokers Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:08 PM EST
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Calavera, you're referring to me as a liberal. Why?

You want me to tell you why it's right to take money away from those that earned it to give to those that didn't. Again, why? What makes you think that I believe that it's okay to do that?

How do I justify welfare? I don't. Again, I'm not sure where you get the idea that I agree with welfare, as I've never stated that I do.

My first salvo being "it's the right thing to do?" Who said that? Me? No, it's not the right thing to do.

I don't agree with the welfare system. Most likely for different reasons than you. If you want to discuss them we can.
dsmokers Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:10 PM EST
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DMV, why don't you start your own posts instead of jacking everyone else's with flames against me and some jackass you think I am? Your obsession and quite frankly sicko mentality are getting old. Not a single post I post on that you don't show up and start talking crap. Seriously, start a new "pray for me, oh Jesus-suh!" thread about yourself so people can feel sorry for your deranged soul, and move on. It's getting old, dude.
ZRX1200 Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:32 PM EST
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You are much better smoking pot than stirring it.

You're like herpes. You keep showing up when nobody wants you around.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:51 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
DMV, why don't you start your own posts instead of jacking everyone else's with flames against me and some jackass you think I am? Your obsession and quite frankly sicko mentality are getting old. Not a single post I post on that you don't show up and start talking crap. Seriously, start a new "pray for me, oh Jesus-suh!" thread about yourself so people can feel sorry for your deranged soul, and move on. It's getting old, dude.


Jimmy...you're not a moderator here. You're opinion means NOTHING. It's a free country. You're free to block my posts. Then again, if you're so intelligent...you don't have to respond to what I have to say.

Yes, I do think you're a jackass. A skinhead racist stewardess drug-adled jackass at that too.

Have no fear, you won't be here much longer anyways. You'll get banned again and you won't have to read another "pray for me" post until you decide to sign-up again with another fake id to hide your mental illness.
dsmokers Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:52 PM EST
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do you need attention too little boy? Ahhh, nobody talking to you? If you don't like herpes, quit waving your little peepee around hoping I'll look at it. You're crossing into the DMV-Donutboy infactuation model, and that's a very sad place.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:54 PM EST
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dsmokers wrote:
do you need attention too little boy? Ahhh, nobody talking to you? If you don't like herpes, quit waving your little peepee around hoping I'll look at it. You're crossing into the DMV-Donutboy infactuation model, and that's a very sad place.



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dsmokers Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:54 PM EST
Joined: 11-22-2010
Posts: 569
It's a free country! I'm telling mom!

Hahaha....dude you are seriously slipping into the realms of 9 year old boy behavior.

Get a life DMV. Really. Go get one. Any one will do. Just do something besides stroke my ego all day. I don't like you.
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#50 Posted: Fri, Dec 3 2010, 2:55 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,398
dsmokers wrote:
It's a free country! I'm telling mom!

Hahaha....dude you are seriously slipping into the realms of 9 year old boy behavior.

Get a life DMV. Really. Go get one. Any one will do. Just do something besides stroke my ego all day. I don't like you.



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