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Gitmo got Bin Laden.. Thank You Mr.Waterboard
DrafterX Offline
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Think Think
so, someone just narked him out for the hell of it..?? Huh
rwilly Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yes, and? Where does that say it was through water-boarding? How many years? You are filling in blanks with assumptions.


I could care less if it came from one of those nekkid dudes in a dog collar in a nekkid human pyramid. We got the info.

What those savages do to their own people and our people when they catch them totally justifies the petty "torture and mistreatment" we commit.
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.




(Sorry FUZZNJ. Apparently it wasn't the Subway sandwiches.)
watchurai Offline
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Maybe if they were ham-free?
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HockeyDad wrote:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.


Now we're getting somewhere! An actual AP article with officials saying stuff. Ok. Now, since KSM was moved to Gitmo in 06, and we're told no waterboarding was done there past 03, the information he may have provided was at least 5 years old. We're told it was a courier that was followed or given up. Could be true. More info will come out.
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Oh, and the subway thing? wtf?
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ok. The editorial dude in the OP told the truth, everyone who says otherwise is lying. Yay! Whatever you need to justify your unsubstantiated opinion. Like I said, if it is true, I'll take back what I said. Right now it's just idle speculation in an attempt to justify torture and give the previous administration credit, making it political, something the right is asking everyone not to do.

Bunch of hypocritical bs.



Wow ,,,

Come on Vasili,,,
That is a stretch even for you.I bet your morning edition of Pravda is reporting this...


face it...

Torture works... Gitmo should be a National Park..Like The Gettysburg battle ground
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wheelrite wrote:
face it...

Torture works... Gitmo should be a National Park..Like The Gettysburg battle ground


Um, no. What we've got here is unnamed sources saying that this is how the information came about, apparently former and current government people. Now on this thread I have been told that named sources, under oath were lying, because it didn't fit the story line. Yet you are willing to accept unnamed sources that may be just trying to justify a policy that they supported all along.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you are not using logic in your reasoning.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Um, no. What we've got here is unnamed sources saying that this is how the information came about, apparently former and current government people. Now on this thread I have been told that named sources, under oath were lying, because it didn't fit the story line. Yet you are willing to accept unnamed sources that may be just trying to justify a policy that they supported all along.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you are not using logic in your reasoning.


denial is the 1st step in a 12 step re-education program for Marxists...
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hey..... im eating some subway right now!
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ok. The editorial dude in the OP told the truth, everyone who says otherwise is lying. Yay! Whatever you need to justify your unsubstantiated opinion. Like I said, if it is true, I'll take back what I said. Right now it's just idle speculation in an attempt to justify torture and give the previous administration credit, making it political, something the right is asking everyone not to do.

Bunch of hypocritical bs.

Hey, I'm not trying to give the previous administration credit - I could care less who the credit goes to. I'm telling you that torturing people is used by all governments. Waterboarding works extremely well. I would bet my retirement pay that more than 3 people were waterboarded. If you truly believe there was only 3, then you are more naive than I thought.
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chiefburg wrote:
Hey, I'm not trying to give the previous administration credit - I could care less who the credit goes to. I'm telling you that torturing people is used by all governments. Waterboarding works extremely well. I would bet my retirement pay that more than 3 people were waterboarded. If you truly believe there was only 3, then you are more naive than I thought.


Yeah, you see the point I was making there was that people will believe whatever they want, regardless of where it comes from provided it supports their opinions. In this case the CIA director under oath is lying, but unnamed sources are truth tellers. I said more info is needed, and I am willing to entertain the idea that the info garnered from torture lead to the death of bin Laden, but as of now, it's only speculation and unnamed sources that may have a dog in the fight.
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WOOF!!!!
HockeyDad Offline
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I declare victory.
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Let's ponder the question: Who has done more harm to the US economy......Osama or Obama?


Think



I am willing to call it a tie.

Beer
chiefburg Offline
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Mission accomplished!!!!
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:


we elite liberals, don't know what that means. it's only the non elite mooks, that know all these
idiotic "facts" and it makes their daily life fulfilled. there are no questions to ask.


Okay Rick, liberal you certainly are, but please explain what about you qualifies you as an "elite" liberal.
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An elite liberal would hire people to paint the house.
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OhMyGod I was gonna paint my own house in a couple weeks..... d'oh!
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Mooks on hemp alert!

Damn it! Now I want Subway after reading this thread.

Beer
HockeyDad Offline
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Guerrilla marketing scores again!
rwilly Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
OhMyGod I was gonna paint my own house in a couple weeks..... d'oh!



So was I... until I saw the neighbor's ladder fall over on Thursday...
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Rocks coffee pot SCREAMS ellite....
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“I have never wished a man dead but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure” - Mark Twain
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In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

If they could find that courier, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
teedubbya Offline
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I still say we should waterboard using carbonated pork broth
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teedubbya wrote:
In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

If they could find that courier, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.



Why would KSM give up that info voluntarily?.No CIA or any other Govt operative will ever again admit to harsh interrogation methods..

It's rumored that KSM has no fingernails left...

as it should be..


wheel,
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Rep. Peter King (R-NY) just said on TV (FOX) that the information was recieved from KSM through waterboarding in a foreign prison.

Also said he thought the pictures of UBL would come out.
wheelrite Offline
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Hey Alexi,,,

This just in !!




Monday, May 2, 2011
Peter King Tweets Waterboarding Led to Osama Bin Ladin's Death

Representative Peter King (R-NY) gave a big thanks to George W. Bush. The head of the Homeland Security Committee tweeted today that water boarding led to the death of Osama Bin Ladin.

Ironic isn't it? Barack Obama is going to use this on his resume to get reelected and he was opposed to almost every action that led up to the death of Osama Bin Ladin, from the war in Afghanistan to water boarding at GITMO.

King confirmed on the O'Reilly Factor the information was obtained from waterboarding
teedubbya Offline
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I'm just quoting the ap.
teedubbya Offline
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Fox has botched this story repeatedly. You can tell they do not have the access to info the lib media does.

Last night I was watching when FOX announced OBL had beed dead for over a week and the Big O was just waiting to announce it.... infering manipulation etc. (by the way some posts in this very forum echo said nonsense.... but that eff up has been forgotten) I have to admit it was impressive when the ISI lit the compound on fire to pretend the operation really happened yesterday. Fox reporting has been awful. If you really think a convo between Bill O and Rep King is fact good on you.

MSNBC reported that Obama himself went in and got OBL. Evidently Obama also created a suit made out of some weird alloy that he could fly in at supersonic speeds and is basically missle proof. Evidently ALGORE created some sort of new energy source that powers the thing but it is poisening the prez slowly.

I'm telling you FOX = MSNBC. Both suck arse big time. Both very poor news sources.
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I still say we should waterboard using carbonated pork broth. And I wish we had tossed obl into a hog lot ala Hanibal. Althought I am disappointed he couldn't have met Fred Phelps first.
wheelrite Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Fox has botched this story repeatedly. You can tell they do not have the access to info the lib media does.

Last night I was watching when FOX announced OBL had beed dead for over a week and the Big O was just waiting to announce it.... infering manipulation etc. (by the way some posts in this very forum echo said nonsense.... but that eff up has been forgotten) I have to admit it was impressive when the ISI lit the compound on fire to pretend the operation really happened yesterday. Fox reporting has been awful. If you really think a convo between Bill O and Rep King is fact good on you.

MSNBC reported that Obama himself went in and got OBL. Evidently Obama also created a suit made out of some weird alloy that he could fly in at supersonic speeds and is basically missle proof. Evidently ALGORE created some sort of new energy source that powers the thing but it is poisening the prez slowly.

I'm telling you FOX = MSNBC. Both suck arse big time. Both very poor news sources.


Um,,
Rep.Peter King does not work for Fox... I just saw Rep King report that he had intel that the info was obtained by waterboarding,,

pay attention ...
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wheelrite wrote:
Um,,
Rep.Peter King does not work for Fox... I just saw Rep King report that he had intel that the info was obtained by waterboarding,,

pay attention ...


Who said Rep King worked for fox? Are you drinking again?
wheelrite Offline
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BTW ?

what happened to Fuzz's most recent postings on this subject.They disappeared..


wheelrite Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Who said Rep King worked for fox? Are you drinking again?



I am,,,

But you said Fox was unreliable and I said Rep.King reported it on Fox. So,,,,

have a beer,,,
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Who knows what really happened? I actually found it interesting to see the AP go so far to make sure they state it was not waterboarding. Strange (and shows their agenda).

As for Rep King I'm sure both him and Fox have all the detail and would in no way grandstand or promote their own agenda LOL


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wheelrite wrote:
I am,,,

But you said Fox was unreliable and I said Rep.King reported it on Fox. So,,,,

have a beer,,,


Actually you may want to read again. You said he confirmed it in a convo with Bill O. I repeated what you said. I think you are getting confused again.

"If you really think a convo between Bill O and Rep King is fact good on you."

Never said he worked for Fox. Although Fox works for him.
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By the way I watched Beck today. He accidently called Osama - Obama and said something to the effect that anyday we have a part in killing Obama is a good day. He caught himself immediately and corrected it and even said something almost nice about Obama. It was fun to watch the twitch in his eye as he did so. I did actually like his marching band, confetti and cookies though.

I'd guess MSNBC will play the clip without the correction and away we go.

And wheel I'm just bustin on ya. I really don't care. I'm just glad he is gone. I never had an issue with Bush going after OBL or Afghan. Iraq was stupid. My only problem with waterboarding is he made a policy about it. I like cloak and dagger. Just do it....dont codify it. Plausable deniability. Stupid.

I hope we are still doing it just not talking about it or having it as an official policy.
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teedubbya wrote:
By the way I watched Beck today. He accidently called Osama - Obama and said something to the effect that anyday we have a part in killing Obama is a good day. He caught himself immediately and corrected it and even said something almost nice about Obama. It was fun to watch the twitch in his eye as he did so. I did actually like his marching band, confetti and cookies though.

I'd guess MSNBC will play the clip without the correction and away we go.



Beck is like a broken record...

He,like many others have had their time ,got rich and now must fade away...
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm just quoting the ap.


lmfao, the AP is a totally reputable source as proven earlier. Unless of course it says something that disproves the running narrative.

Freakin' hilarious.
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually you may want to read again. You said he confirmed it in a convo with Bill O. I repeated what you said. I think you are getting confused again.

"If you really think a convo between Bill O and Rep King is fact good on you."

Never said he worked for Fox. Although Fox works for him.


Dude,,,

Peter King is Cahairman of the Homeland Security Committee..

He above most others is privy to such info.
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wheelrite wrote:
Beck is like a broken record...

He,like many others have had their time ,got rich and now must fade away...


Oreilley is the same but smarter. Oberman, and that Maddow dude. same thing. Rush is cookie cutter.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmfao, the AP is a totally reputable source as proven earlier. Unless of course it says something that disproves the running narrative.

Freakin' hilarious.


Fuzz as I posted earlier even Pravda is reporting it...

If you don't trust the KGB puppet media source ,who do you rely on for info?
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wheelrite wrote:
Dude,,,

Peter King is Cahairman of the Homeland Security Committee..

He above most others is privy to such info.


I know what and who he is. Doesn't make what he says factual and not part of his agenda. If you think it does remember that when some dip**** Dem is in that or another postion. Someone like Barney Frank or Rangle. He will probably revise his remarks because he didn't mean them to be factual.... I'm sure that has never happened.
teedubbya Offline
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Gotta fly. My 5 year old wants to talk to me about all the books she wants from the book fair. Kind of puts things in perspective.
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wheelrite wrote:
Fuzz as I posted earlier even Pravda is reporting it...

If you don't trust the KGB puppet media source ,who do you rely on for info?


Like I said earlier, you will believe the stuff that supports your assertion and dismiss the stuff that doesn't. In this case it's from the same place, the AP. It is obvious and hilarious.

You can drop the whole communist bs btw, it's not clever or funny and played out.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Like I said earlier, you will believe the stuff that supports your assertion and dismiss the stuff that doesn't. In this case it's from the same place, the AP. It is obvious and hilarious.

You can drop the whole communist bs btw, it's not clever or funny and played out.


funny is subjective,,
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Really doesn't matter who the POTUS is/was at the time of retribution. The real Heroes are the Navy SEALs that finished this 11 year hunt
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wheelrite wrote:
Why would KSM give up that info voluntarily?


Because as so many intelligence officers have said for so many years, torture doesn't work?
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