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The Difference....
DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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The Difference

This is also the difference between a patriot and
a prevaricating, egomaniac community organizer...



George W. Bush's speech after capture of Saddam:

The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our
men and women now serving in Iraq.

The operation was based on the superb work of
intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints
in a vast country. The operation was carried out with
skill and precision by a brave fighting force.

Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies
have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of
the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and
freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and
so do the risks.

Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of
our Armed Forces and I congratulate 'em.



Barack Obama speech after killing of bin Laden:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon
Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or
capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against
al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to
disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by
our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible
lead to bin Laden.

It was far from certain, and it took many months to run
this thread to ground.

I met repeatedly with my national security team as we
developed more information about the possibility that
we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound
deep inside of Pakistan.

And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough
intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation
to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a
targeted operation against that compound in
Abbottabad, Pakistan.
DrafterX Offline
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I remember thinking Obama used the word 'I' alot in his speech.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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whip
Brewha Online
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DrafterX wrote:
I remember thinking Obama used the word 'I' alot in his speech.... Mellow


Bush used the word "duh" a lot . . . .
FuzzNJ Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Bush used the word "duh" a lot . . . .


Bush was so humble he put on a flight suit, flew in a fighter jet, landed on an aircraft carrier and made a Mission Accomplished speech for a war that wasn't close to being over.
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Obama was so humble he put all his speeches and pics of himself and stuff on an I-pod and gave it to the Queen... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Bush used the word "duh" a lot . . . .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama was so humble he put all his speeches and pics of himself and stuff on an I-pod and gave it to the Queen... Mellow


Was their a pic of his weiner?
DrafterX Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Was their a pic of his weiner?



That's what I heard.... Mellow
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Now Bush sewed the "Mission accomplished" banner??

Ok.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard he hand wove it from a big pile of hemp.... Mellow
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he hand wove it from a big pile of hemp.... Mellow


Mmmm, hemp.
tailgater Offline
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This thread has taken a new course, but the original post is alarmingly accurate.

Bush always spread the praise to those around him (see above), and he always took the blame when the crap hit the fan (i.e. New Orleans and FEMA).

Obama has embodied the exact opposite of this.
And without even delving into the political banter of who is right or wrong, left or right, just think of this:

Which type of boss would you rather work for?
and
Which type of boss would you want to be?

I've worked for both types.
I strive to be similar to only one.

DrafterX Offline
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tailgater wrote:

Bush always spread the praise to those around him (see above), and he always took the blame when the crap hit the fan (i.e. New Orleans and FEMA).






ya... he prolly regrets blowing up the levee... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I heard GW hates black people.

Shame on you
DrafterX Offline
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but he likes puppy-dogs.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
but he likes puppy-dogs.... Mellow



black puppy dogs?
ZRX1200 Offline
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I heard he eats Uncle Bens rice. He can't be racists.
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tailgater wrote:
This thread has taken a new course, but the original post is alarmingly accurate.

Bush always spread the praise to those around him (see above), and he always took the blame when the crap hit the fan (i.e. New Orleans and FEMA).



You've got to be kidding. From what parallel dimension is that information.

When and where did he take the blame? The only thing I've seen he said he regretted about the Katrina thing was not landing and releasing the photo of him looking down from AF1, and that was in his book after he left office.

And when asked about mistakes in 94, well here is the transcript:

John?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.

In the last campaign, you were asked a question about the biggest mistake you'd made in your life, and you used to like to joke that it was trading Sammy Sosa.

You've looked back before 9-11 for what mistakes might have been made. After 9-11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have learned from it?

BUSH: I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it.

John, I'm sure historians will look back and say, gosh, he could've done it better this way or that way. You know, I just -- I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet.

I would've gone into Afghanistan the way we went into Afghanistan. Even knowing what I know today about the stockpiles of weapons, I still would've called upon the world to deal with Saddam Hussein.

See, I'm of the belief that we'll find out the truth on the weapons. That's why we sent up the independent commission. I look forward to hearing the truth as to exactly where they are. They could still be there. They could be hidden, like the 50 tons of mustard gas in a turkey farm.

One of the things that Charlie Duelfer talked about was that he was surprised of the level of intimidation he found amongst people who should know about weapons and their fear of talking about them because they don't want to be killed.

You know, there's this kind of -- there's a terror still in the soul of some of the people in Iraq.

BUSH: They're worried about getting killed, and therefore they're not going to talk. But it'll all settle out, John. We'll find out the truth about the weapons at some point in time.

However, the fact that he had the capacity to make them bothers me today just like it would have bothered me then. He's a dangerous man. He's a man who actually not only had weapons of mass destruction -- the reason I can say that with certainty is because he used them.

And I have no doubt in my mind that he would like to have inflicted harm, or paid people to inflict harm, or trained people to inflict harm, on America, because he hated us.

I hope -- I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't -- you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one.

dpnewell Offline
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^Link to source? Thank you.
DrafterX Offline
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so, he was ok with blowing up the levee..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he hand wove it from a big pile of hemp.... Mellow


Hemp.
What a great idea!
Which makes better rope? Afg. or Sat?
rfenst Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I strive to be similar to only one.



But, there can be only one!
rfenst Offline
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dpnewell wrote:
^Link to source? Thank you.


Good point. X didn't cite either.

I Googled it. To many news organizations and books to mention.

Why does any one give a crap about two different people's different speeches about different matters from different perspectives? It's kind of like asking Sunkist to choose between apples and oranges....

The Bush overstatement is in the distant past. Obama's overstatement is in the present. But, who really gives a crap (other than die hard politicos.).

What should be important to everyone of us is that we got both of them!
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I got it in an e-mail so I was pretty sure it's true... I've learned not to trust the internets tho... Mellow
FuzzNJ Offline
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dpnewell wrote:
^Link to source? Thank you.


Just got back from dinner. Was decent, not great, thanks for asking.

Now as to this. Really?

Let me put it another way . . . . . REALLY???

First, you don't remember this press conference, because sh*t, I remember it clearly, so clearly that all I had to do was just google a couple words and poof there it was. You had the entire question and answer to use to google to find a source or 3,000 but didn't have enough energy to copy and past a line or two?

Did you ask the OP for the source for his shortened little snippets of those two speeches? Let me check, um no.

Well, here you go:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/politics/14BTEX.html?pagewanted=10

that takes you to page 10. Now, you will actually have to click on the bottom to go to page 11 to see the rest of the quesion and answer as it runs over, I hope that doesn't strain you.

Now I hope you appreciate all the time and effort I put out to make up fake pages and everything to back up my made up Bush press conference. I worked really hard on it.
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I had a med-rare rib eye... steak fries.. fried okra and a couple shinerbocks.... I think it's a Texas thing... BigGrin
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I had a med-rare rib eye... steak fries.. fried okra and a couple shinerbocks.... I think it's a Texas thing... BigGrin


We went to a local bar and had bar food. I had some raw oysters, (small, but tasty), shared nachos with the wife and a kobe beef burger with beer battered onion rings and sweet potato fries.

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ThumpUp
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I had a med-rare rib eye... steak fries.. fried okra and a couple shinerbocks.... I think it's a Texas thing... BigGrin



But, you are no Texan.
dpnewell Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Well, here you go:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/politics/14BTEX.html?pagewanted=10




Thank you.
teedubbya Offline
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Interesting. Bammy was self centered for sure. I’m glad trump isn’t.
frankj1 Offline
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lots of I...a few saying stuff like "I" assigned it (not I did it) and "I" was given info from the team, and "I" based my decision on trusting the work of these people.
Sounds like how it works when it is done right.

not it took "ME" one month to wipe out ISIS.
teedubbya Offline
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Funny the silence when Trump does much worse.
tailgater Offline
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Silence?
LOL!

teedubbya Offline
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From his supporters and the people that took issue with bammy doing less.

But you either knew that and are being disingenuous or are really losing it.
frankj1 Offline
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seems some elected officials are afraid of being publicly bullied and belittled.
Could damage them enough to prevent them from being reelected.
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frankj1 wrote:
seems some elected officials are afraid of being publicly bullied and belittled.
Could damage them enough to prevent them from being reelected.


.... sounds like they're snowflakes.
DrafterX Offline
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Some elected officials are afraid to play baseball... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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or have pizza
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sounds like snowflakes.
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
frankj1 Offline
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I love when you're happy!
delta1 Offline
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Compared to Trump, both GWB and Obama seem much more presidential...

Here's the text of Trump's speech, announcing the death of Al Baghdadi:


"Last night, the United States brought the world’s number one terrorist leader to justice. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead. He was the founder and leader of ISIS, the most ruthless and violent terror organization in the World. The United States has been searching for Baghdadi for many years. Capturing or killing Baghdadi has been the top national security priority of my Administration. U.S. Special Operations forces executed a dangerous and daring nighttime raid into Northwestern Syria to accomplish this mission.

No U.S. personnel were lost in the operation, while a large number of Baghdadi’s fighters and companions were killed with him. He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming. The compound had been cleared by this time, with people either surrendering or being shot and killed. Eleven young children were moved out of the house un-injured. The only ones remaining were Baghdadi in the tunnel, who had dragged three children with him to certain death. He reached the end of the tunnel, as our dogs chased him down. He ignited his vest, killing himself and the three children. His body was mutilated by the blast, but test results gave certain and positive identification.

The thug who tried so hard to intimidate others spent his last moments in utter fear, panic and dread – terrified of the American Forces bearing down.

We were in the compound for approximately 2 hours, and after the mission was accomplished we took highly sensitive material and information from the raid.
Baghdadi’s demise demonstrates America’s relentless pursuit of terrorist leaders, and our commitment to the enduring and total defeat of ISIS!

The reach of America is long. As you know, last month we announced that we recently killed Hamza Bin Laden, the very violent son of Osama Bin Laden, who was saying very bad things.

He was the heir apparent to Al Qaida. Terrorists who oppress and murder innocent people should never sleep soundly, knowing that we will completely destroy them. These savage monsters will not escape their fate – and they will not escape the final judgement of God.

Baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before I took office. At my direction, as Commander-in-Chief, the United States obliterated his ‘caliphate’ in March of this year. Today’s events are another reminder that we will continue to pursue the remaining ISIS terrorists to their brutal end.

Baghdadi and the losers who worked with him – in some cases people who had no idea what they were getting into and how dangerous and unglamorous it was – killed many people. Their murder of innocent Americans Jim Foley, Steven Sotloff, Peter Kassig, and Kayla Mueller were especially heinous. The shocking publicized murder of a Jordanian pilot who was burned alive in a cage for all to see, and the execution of Christians in Libya and Egypt, as well as the genocidal mass murder of Yazidis, rank ISIS among the most depraved organizations in history.

The forced religious conversions, the orange suits prior to many beheadings, all of which were openly displayed for the world – this was all Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s work. He was vicious and violent, and he died in a vicious and violent way, as a coward, running and crying. This raid was impeccable, and could only have taken place with the acknowledgement and help of certain other nations and people.

I want to thank the nations of Russia, Turkey, Syria and Iraq, and I also want to thank the Syrian Kurds for certain support they were able to give us. Thank you as well to the great intelligence professionals who helped make this very successful journey possible.

I want to thank the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines involved in last night’s operation. You are the very best there is anywhere in the world. I want to thank General Mark Milley and our Joint Chiefs of Staff, and I also want to thank our professionals who work in other agencies of the United States government and were critical to the mission’s success.

Last night was a great night for the United States and for the World. A brutal killer, one who has caused so much hardship and death, was violently eliminated – he will never again harm another innocent man, woman or child. He died like a dog. He died like a coward. The world is now a much safer place.

God bless the United States of America!"
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Did twitler say baghdadi FOUNDED ISIS?

god he's dumb.
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Bottom line three Presidents and three dead terrorists along with three totally different styles.
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who was the third terrorist?
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Mlk?
delta1 Offline
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poor Harvey...RIP
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not Milk silly
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