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ZRX1200 Offline
#251 Posted:
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Oh this is shocking!

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/03/abc-news-doctors-zimmerman-video-to-pedal-false-story-in-trayvon-martin-case/
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#252 Posted:
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Wouldn't expect anything less from ABC! I wish there was a way to recall the MSM in this jacked up country.
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#253 Posted:
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with all the luck....spike Lee should run for Prez
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#254 Posted:
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i keep forgetting to ask the good dr how much longer he is forced to wear that strange mask
and is it part of a plea agreement
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Who dies next because of Al Sharpton?

Al Sharpton once said of Rush Limbaugh:

“He doesn’t have the right to lie and accuse people of crimes”

But apparently Sharpton does have that right.

The professional race baiting hate monger Sharpton is once again running his mouth at full throttle. He has promised civil disobedience if he doesn’t get what he wants and what he really wants is to lynch George Zimmerman.

If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, theRev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions.

Sharpton would not say the efforts would be taken against the city of Sanford specifically, but he has been critical of the police department’s handling of the case.

Saturday’s scheduled 11 a.m. march from Crooms Academy of Information Technology to the Sanford Police Department headquarters was organized by National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Coordinators said people will be bused in from other states to participate.

The civil rights activist and syndicated television show host said he will elaborate on this plan Saturday.

“I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn’t arrested,” Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story.

And he won’t be alone

The Rev. Jesse Jackson is also expected to participate in the event.

Sharpton doesn’t believe certain people have the right to self-defense:

“Whether he [Zimmerman] had a swollen or broken nose, neither one means he had to take a 9mm and kill someone,” he said. “It’s not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him.”

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee did explain why Zimmerman wasn’t held:

Q. Why was George Zimmerman was not arrested the night of the shooting?

A. When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was prohibited from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time.

Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer must swear and affirm that he/she is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the city may be held liable.

According to Florida Statute 776.032 :

Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— 776.032

A person who uses force as permitted in s. (1) 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (2)


Further, Zimmerman was within his rights to follow Martin

Q. Why did Mr. Zimmerman have a firearm in his possession while acting in the role of a neighborhood watch member?

A. Mr. Zimmerman holds a concealed weapon permit issued from the State of Florida. He is authorized to carry the weapon in a concealed manner wherever Florida Statute dictates.

Neighborhood Watch programs are designed for members of a neighborhood to be “eyes and ears” for police and to watch out for their neighbors. They are not members of the police department nor are they vigilantes.

Training provided by law enforcement agencies to Neighborhood Watch organizations stresses non-contact surveillance of suspicious situations, and notifying police of those situations so that law enforcement can respond and take control of the situation.

Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred. He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department.

Al Sharpton has no use for either the facts or the truth, and he has a history of people dying in his wake. Jeff Jacoby once called Sharpton “The Democrats’ David Duke”:



1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent — the crime never occurred — but Sharpton taunts him: “If we’re lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it.” Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin’s funeral he rails against the “diamond merchants” — code for Jews — with “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, “No justice, no peace.” A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting “Kill the Jews!” and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.


If Sharpton were a white skinhead, he would be a political leper, spurned everywhere but the fringe. But far from being spurned, he is shown much deference. Democrats embrace him. Politicians court him. And journalists report on his comings and goings while politely sidestepping his career as a hatemongering racial hustler.

When Sharpton came to Boston to promote his campaign last week, for example, the news coverage was uniformly upbeat. The Boston Herald noted the “joyous singing and thunderous applause” that greeted the “civil rights leader,” whose “energetic visit left many enthusiastic about his presidential bid.” The Globe announced the arrival of “the colorful and controversial 48-year-old community activist” with a story listing the places and times of his public appearances. The only allusion to his ugly record was a vague quote from a local minister: “He obviously has a lot of history and controversy to overcome.” That was quickly countered by Sharpton’s own self-description as a man known “for my fights against racial profiling and discrimination.”

Well, that isn’t what Steve Pagones or the family of Yankel Rosenbaum or the loved ones of those who were burned alive at Freddy’s Fashion Mart know him for. As they can testify, Sharpton is a vicious liar and a dangerous bigot. As a matter of moral hygiene, his party and the press should be able to say so, too.

This vile man is continually rewarded for his malevolent behavior. Here Barack Obama embraces Sharpton

and MSNBC even gives him his own show.

Howard Kurtz has noted the peculiarity of Sharpton covering himself on his show

Then Kurtz turned specifically to how Sharpton has been covering the case, describing him as a “major African-American activist in this country.” Kurtz played a series of clips showing Sharpton speaking at the Trayvon Martin rally in Florida, then filming his show near the site of the rally, then speaking again at the rally, effortlessly switching between activist and TV host. Kurtz said that Sharpton was asking people to donate money to the cause, and even went down to the Justice Department with the Martins.

Lauren Ashburn struggled to figure out why Sharpton was allowed to, essentially, cover himself on his own show. She did add that Sharpton has never pretended to be a journalist, and MSNBC knew what they were getting when they hired him as a personality, but Kurtz still thought something smelled rotten at MSNBC.

“It seems to me MSNBC can say, ‘Okay, this is such an important case you can go and be an activist and you won’t do your show on the subject. Or you can do your show on the subject but don’t be standing with the parents at the rally and accompanying them to the Justice Department.’”

Eric Deggans, a media critic for the Tampa Bay Times, said he’s always been concerned with Sharpton’s role at the network, and this particular situation makes things difficult because MSNBC has an obligation to cover the story because it’s news. So having one of their hosts injecting themselves into the story is a problem. Deggans also brought up Zimmerman, and whether he could feel like he could get a fair shake from NBC News or MSNBC if he went on for interviews.

For all barbs it throws at Fox, MSNBC is the truly phony news network.

Liberals have been feverishly attacking Fox News for years now, irate that the Left’s monopoly on television news outlets has been broken. Conservatives, on the other hand, have tended to ignore MSNBC, even though that network is far more partisan, and less reliable, than Fox. Perhaps this is because of a perception that hardly anyone watches MSNBC. It is true, of course, that that network’s ratings are nowhere near Fox’s, but still, close to a million people watch the most popular MSNBC shows. That is far too many for a network that is not only ridiculously partisan, but spews hate on a regular basis.

So it is not surprising that it would offer a execrable miscreant like Sharpton his own show.

Gratefully, there are cooler heads.

Turner Clayton, the Seminole County chapter president of the NAACP, reacted immediately to Sharpton’s warning, saying, “We hope that the citizens of Sanford will govern themselves accordingly. We are not calling for any sanctions, against any business or anyone else. And, of course, what Rev. Sharpton does, that’s strictly the [National] Action Network. We can’t condone that part of the conversation, if that’s what he said.”

If it wasn’t for hate, there would be no Al Sharpton and it’s unfortunate that so many continue to follow him. Despite all the deaths that he has caused, he has never been held accountable for any of them. If anyone demands arrest, it’s Sharpton.

He doesn’t have the right to lie and accuse people of crimes.


http://floppingaces.net/2012/03/31/who-dies-next-because-of-al-sharpton-reader-post/




See...he IS a race baiter and a liar! The NAACP is scurrying to separate from him and Jackson now...even though Ben Jealous the President of the NAACP called Sanford a KKK hot bed on last week's Meet The Press. NOBODY in the media picked up what he was throwing down. Like I said in an earlier post, if I was black...I'd want that man's job and his head on a pike for setting race relations in this nation back 50 years! See this rush to justice for what it is! A bunch of carpetbaggers looking for a victim to cash in on! There's some new rap song...it's a joke. In the audio you can hear the voice in the background yelling "Help"...there's evidence that just might show that that voice screaming for help is Zimmerman! That would be ironic justice! Momma gets royalties for having her son's name in a song and Zimmerman gets a fat payday because his voice is used without his permission!

LOLOLOL!!!


Can't make this up, but look how the media has been proven to be fabricators and liars in this case. Step back for a moment...think this is the only time they've done it? America has been lied to. It's been cheated. It's been bamboozled. Sensational powder kegs designed to blow, ginned up by experts make me want to watch "Wag The Dog" again and laugh if it wasn't so damn true. Think I'll watch "Network" instead!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI
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#256 Posted:
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To get back on topic, Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin and has not been arrested. He shouldn't be arrested because people are screaming for it. He should be arrested and let a jury decide if it was self defense. Had Trayvon shot and killed Zimmerman, Trayvon would be in jail with $2 million bail.

What the kid was wearing, what his past was, what Zimmerman's past was, whether or not Trayvon was hitting him or not does not matter. That's for a jury to decide.

Jeb and the author of the bill have stated that Stand Your Ground does not apply here.
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#257 Posted:
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In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
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#258 Posted:
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SVU





(hooded thugs)
HockeyDad Offline
#259 Posted:
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FuzzNJ is wearing a hoodie right now.
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#260 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
FuzzNJ is wearing a hoodie right now.


Don't be silly. That would be in direct violation of the Home Owners Association Rules, for his gated community.



Just a joke, Fuzzy. No need to get upset.

Sarcasm
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#261 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
To get back on topic, Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin and has not been arrested. He shouldn't be arrested because people are screaming for it. He should be arrested and let a jury decide if it was self defense. Had Trayvon shot and killed Zimmerman, Trayvon would be in jail with $2 million bail.

What the kid was wearing, what his past was, what Zimmerman's past was, whether or not Trayvon was hitting him or not does not matter. That's for a jury to decide.

Jeb and the author of the bill have stated that Stand Your Ground does not apply here.




You want to get back on topic......this issue should never have left the town of Sanford!!!!!
This is in " No Way " national news PERIOD
ZRX1200 Offline
#262 Posted:
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THE LAW PROTECTS THE SHOOTER FROM ARREST IF IT IS SELF DEFENSE.
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#263 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8lDYrvTILc

BITCHES!!!
FuzzNJ Offline
#264 Posted:
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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/arlington/headlines/20120323-in-arlington-jeb-bush-says-stand-your-ground-invalid-in-trayvon-martin-case.ece

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#265 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
To get back on topic, Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin and has not been arrested. He shouldn't be arrested because people are screaming for it. He should be arrested and let a jury decide if it was self defense. Had Trayvon shot and killed Zimmerman, Trayvon would be in jail with $2 million bail.

What the kid was wearing, what his past was, what Zimmerman's past was, whether or not Trayvon was hitting him or not does not matter. That's for a jury to decide.

Jeb and the author of the bill have stated that Stand Your Ground does not apply here.


To get back on topic you'd have to erase your entire thought process on this post.

We're still a nation predicated on laws. Not STREET LAWS like you want and crave, nor vigilante justice to flesh out your pound.

Your kind has wanted nothing less.

YOU have to figure out why you're so trigger happy to throw the race card when it doesn't apply. The hoodie card too and the Tea Party card. Yes, even Trayvon was drinking the tea.
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#266 Posted:
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Fuzzy believes Jeb now?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#267 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/arlington/headlines/20120323-in-arlington-jeb-bush-says-stand-your-ground-invalid-in-trayvon-martin-case.ece




It's not up to him.

He doesn't make the law. He doesn't even make the law lawier. Its on the books and regardless your edge to bring BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME into it, doesn't wash. There are 3 people that know and saw what happened. One is dead and the other 2 are already on the record.

Just like every other issue you've been on the side of, it's been wrong. Wrong in application. Wrong in morals. Wrong in thought.

Unscrew your mind from this flawed process and get right, because you're in for a bumpy ride.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#268 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fuzzy believes Jeb now?



Nope...he wants his savior Michael Moo-re to come in and make a movie about it though...maybe Sasha Cohen could play the role of Zimmerman...who knows...who cares.

Gotta let the facts weigh the merit of the case, not make this some racially motivated powder keg for the Kenyan King to throw a summit over.
HockeyDad Offline
#269 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
“Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”



That is exactly correct regarding the law.

In this situation however, the question is did hoodie get hunted down or did hoodie assault the innocent Hispanic.
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#270 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
That is exactly correct regarding the law.

In this situation however, the question is did hoodie get hunted down or did hoodie assault the innocent Hispanic.



Sounds like he was screaming for help before he shot the guy bashing in his skull.

Oh, yeah...he was confronted by Trayvon at his car and guess what...he wasn't on some neighborhood watch that night...he was doing something different.

I'll let you catch up to the factual evidence though Snickerdoodles.

Once again...BANG BANG...you've shot your load when you shudda kept yer powder dry. Once out you can't put it back in.

The Law of Averages isn't in your favor. STREET LAW sucks in the courts.
HockeyDad Offline
#271 Posted:
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Perhaps FuzzNJ will fly down to Sanford FL and take a dump on a police car.
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#272 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Perhaps FuzzNJ will fly down to Sanford FL and take a dump on a police car.



Yes...take a page from the occupoopers playbook. Pee in a doorway and commit to a 24 hour plastic pail drum circle too. Just what Sanford needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DnqW3F57E
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The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.

"He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.

Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/
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That makes the assumption that he followed hoodie and created the confrontation. If that were the case, he should be arrested.

That doesn't match the story right now.

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#275 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.

"He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.

Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/



If you knew what happened there you wouldn't even have bothered to type that crap up.

Quit believing Unka Al, and Rev Jesse. Stop taking your marching orders from an illegal military and an Ivy Leaguer that acts stupidly.

Be your own man and not a pawn. Wait for the facts to hit instead of making them up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLiJ4k5QPNs

Ya gotta do your job!

PS: I asked before...I'll ask again...do the Black Panthers take the same class that Detroit Avis counter workers take for facial expressions? The Major does a lot of talking but the people in the background...they don't look like they'd help you very much. I thought White people's opinions didn't matter in this? 400 years???
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Florida statute 776.013(3) says: (a) person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.



Did Zimmerman assault hoodie? That would be unlawful activity.
Did Zimmerman follow hoodie? That is lawful activity.

If hoodie turned on Zimmerman or jumped Zimmerman, was it reasonable for Zimmerman to believe he needed to use force to prevent great bodily harm to himself?
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#277 Posted:
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Z started a situation where Trayvon was in fear for his life when he was following him. He said as much in his phone call with his friend, there's a strange white man following me or something to that effect. Seeing Z get within arms reach of him from behind, which Z has said himself, and this fear put Trayvon into the position of being able to claim stand your ground, not Z. He was in fear for HIS life and no matter if he attacked first, or reacted. He of course didn't have a gun so he's the dead one. It's not who survives or who is not black that gets to be covered by stand your ground.
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#278 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Florida statute 776.013(3) says: (a) person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.



Did Zimmerman assault hoodie? That would be unlawful activity.
Did Zimmerman follow hoodie? That is lawful activity.

If hoodie turned on Zimmerman or jumped Zimmerman, was it reasonable for Zimmerman to believe he needed to use force to prevent great bodily harm to himself?



Your flow was all wrong!

SKITTLES AND TEA...Pop da hoodie...stop actin' stupidly...straight outta Sanford...straight outta da gated community.
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#279 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Z started a situation where Trayvon was in fear for his life when he was following him. He said as much in his phone call with his friend, there's a strange white man following me or something to that effect. Seeing Z get within arms reach of him from behind, which Z has said himself, and this fear put Trayvon into the position of being able to claim stand your ground, not Z. He was in fear for HIS life and no matter if he attacked first, or reacted. He of course didn't have a gun so he's the dead one. It's not who survives or who is not black that gets to be covered by stand your ground.




That doesn't match the story.
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#280 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Z started a situation where Trayvon was in fear for his life when he was following him. He said as much in his phone call with his friend, there's a strange white man following me or something to that effect. Seeing Z get within arms reach of him from behind, which Z has said himself, and this fear put Trayvon into the position of being able to claim stand your ground, not Z. He was in fear for HIS life and no matter if he attacked first, or reacted. He of course didn't have a gun so he's the dead one. It's not who survives or who is not black that gets to be covered by stand your ground.



You're willing to start an all and all out riot over that?

Because you're wrong.

The facts are the facts and you didn't wait for them.

They're STILL coming in and yet you use the g00gl3 like a little school girl looking for Twilight pics!
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#281 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
That doesn't match the story.


Which part and whose story?
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#282 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Which part and whose story?




Police surveillance video of Zimmerman may show head injury


Surveillance video of George Zimmerman arriving at a Sanford, Fla. police station indicates what may be an injury to the back of his head, a Daily Caller analysis shows.

ABC News published the video Wednesday evening. Zimmerman is the man who shot and killed 17-year-old black teen Trayvon Martin a month ago. (RELATED: Full coverage of the Martin shooting)

“A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman,” ABC News reporter Matt Gutman wrote, noting that Zimmerman told police “he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.”

ABC News reported that Zimmerman appears uninjured in the video. But a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long.

ABC did note that at the 49-second mark in the video, one of the police officers accompanying Zimmerman stops to look at the back of Zimmerman’s head for several seconds. Zimmerman, as ABC News noted, did not visit the emergency room after police interviewed him.

The Orlando Sentinel’s Rene Stutzman reported on March 26 about portions of what Zimmerman told police during that interview.

“With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered,” Stutzman reported, relating the account Zimmerman reportedly gave police that night.


Zimmerman’s lawyer, Craig Sonner, is reported to have said his client felt, at that point, like “one of them was going to die that night,” so he pulled the trigger, shooting and killing Martin.

At the scene of the incident, according to a three-page preliminary police report, Zimmerman was given “first aid” by Sanford Fire Department paramedics. It is unclear what that treatment consisted of, and how much time elapsed between the paramedics’ intervention and Zimmerman’s arrival at the Sanford Police Department.

Martin’s family’s attorney, Benjamin Crump, appeared on television almost immediately after ABC News released the video, telling CNN’s Piers Morgan that the footage is a “smoking gun.” Crump added that it shows the Sanford Police Department’s version of events is a “fabrication” and that “it’s obvious to us that there was something that night they conspired to cover up.”

Watch the police surveillance video:




http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/




Look at the cop staring at the back of his head...ABCNews put their marquee in a very strategic place.

When it's removed...VIOLA...the Truth is revealed.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#283 Posted:
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Trayvon Martin case exposes worst in media

The Trayvon Martin case has exposed some of the media's worst tendencies--selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings and page views--and it's taken more than fake photos, the incendiary stumbles of Geraldo Rivera and Spike Lee and verbal clashes between Piers Morgan and Toure to shine a light on them.

Here are three recent, troubling examples:

1. After ABC News aired surveillance video of George Zimmerman, Martin's shooter, entering a police precinct without any apparent injuries, the Daily Caller treated the tape like a Zapruder film, enhancing still images from the video and concluding that it found "what may be an injury to the back of his head." The site's photo "analysis" of the back of Zimmerman's head--replete with yellow Photoshopped arrows--"indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long."

Keep in mind, this is the same Daily Caller that published 152 pages of what the conservative site claims were Martin's tweets--which, if they were, prove that Martin was a pretty typical high school male, preoccupied with girls, sex and getting out of class early.

2. NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." In reality, Zimmerman was answering a dispatcher's question:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy--is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

3. In an flailing effort to break news in a month-old shooting, CBS News aired an interview with Richard Kurtz, the funeral director who handled Trayvon Martin's burial.

"There were no physical signs like there had been a scuffle," Kurtz declared, which the network said proves Zimmerman's claims of a violent encounter with Martin before the shooting are false. "The hands--I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there. He looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see."

Except, he said, the gunshot wound.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-case-exposes-worst-media-210020839.html




All this really sums up for me is that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. This case will be decided on the facts and not the STREET LAW people want.
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#284 Posted:
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Herfing Herfing Herfing I say let ZIMMERMAN go, the police did their due diligence, found no law was broken, there for he should be a free man. No one was there, and if they were maybe they should have told the cops. For this "race issue" it's not an issue. A guy defended himself from an attacker, and he has to live with the consequences. Next, story please!!! Herfing Herfing Herfing
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#285 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe,

thats the first time ive seen that trinket. unbelievable how the media twists words and even recordings to rile up the public.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#286 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
DrMaddVibe,

thats the first time ive seen that trinket. unbelievable how the media twists words and even recordings to rile up the public.



Like I've said...let the facts come through!!!
rfenst Offline
#287 Posted:
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Posts: 25,287
MikeyRavioli wrote:
Just saw the video on the local news.
Zimmerman was in handcuffs and there was no visible blood or injury.


I will rely upon medical records, not any video, unless it patently shows injury. Rule-out nasal fx by video is not usually a standard way such a DX is made.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#288 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I will rely upon medical records, not any video, unless it patently shows injury. Rule-out nasal fx by video is not usually a standard way such a DX is made.



What are you talking about?

Medical records? The kid has a hole in him and is dead. The other guy has a bashed in head.

YOU believed in two shucking jiving race baiting carpetbaggers! They're now calling for sanctions against Sanford! Like they did anything? Oh, wait...that's right...it's a hotbed for the KKK or so the NAACP President Ben Jealous said on NATIONAL TV!

Now these lowlifes are trying their damnedest to make this some Selma back in the 60's moment...good luck with THAT!
rfenst Offline
#289 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
You want to get back on topic......this issue should never have left the town of Sanford!!!!!
This is in " No Way " national news PERIOD


Sorry, but I disagree. Stand your ground law is good enough issue to bring the matter forward as an example of a current event. We no longer live in a world of the pony express or just printed news. Everything in the public domain is subject to re-publication elsewhere. Saying "the issue should have never left the town of Sanford" is like someone putting hands over their eyes and ears and calling out that they can't see or hear what is going on in current events- and this is a MAJOR event- without Sharpton and Jackson.
rfenst Offline
#290 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/arlington/headlines/20120323-in-arlington-jeb-bush-says-stand-your-ground-invalid-in-trayvon-martin-case.ece



Not disagreeing with you, but why put stock in what Jeb says on this. He never went to law school and has never been a judge.

The best source of the intent of the law is the legislative committee notes, which can easily be obtained to determine the legislature's intent .
HockeyDad Offline
#291 Posted:
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There has been a shooting in California. This topic will now struggle to make front page news.

In other news, Natalee Holloway is still missing.
rfenst Offline
#292 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
That doesn't match the story.


Who cares. I think one can start a fight and make a good faith claim self defense for a defensive killing under certain circumstances. Once an altercation begins and the atackee response in kind, the issue is still whether the use of deadly force was reasonable.

"Reasonable" is measured by the legal fictional standard of "the reasonably prudent person". So, it is not whether Zimmerman's fear for himself was reasonable in Zimmerman's mind here as i have no doubt it was- or he wouldn't have shot.
rfenst Offline
#293 Posted:
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[quote=DrMaddVibe]What are you talking about?

Medical records? [quote]

Zimmerman's medical records. Re-read for context. I will not rule out the claim of injury to Zimmerman by a mere video camera. I will not rule out nasal fx for anyone w/o an x-ray- and then the x-ray and radiology report may be inadequate and wrong, respectively.

Are we clear?

LOL!
wheelrite Offline
#294 Posted:
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Posts: 41,307
HockeyDad wrote:
There has been a shooting in California. This topic will now struggle to make front page news.

In other news, Natalee Holloway is still missing.


nice try,,,

Florida is a cesspool full of criminals....
8trackdisco Offline
#295 Posted:
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"..He said as much in his phone call with his friend, there's a strange white man following me or something to that effect..."

Trayvon was obviously a racist, blinded by hate, accusing the Hispanic gentleman as being White.

Btw, don't mess with me. I bought Skittles AND an Iced Tea. Not a tthe same time, but buying them on the same day (in different stores a couple hours apart) shows I'm harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd!
wheelrite Offline
#296 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
"..He said as much in his phone call with his friend, there's a strange white man following me or something to that effect..."

Trayvon was obviously a racist, blinded by hate, accusing the Hispanic gentleman as being White.

Btw, don't mess with me. I bought Skittles AND an Iced Tea. Not a tthe same time, but buying them on the same day (in different stores a couple hours apart) shows I'm harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd!


Trayvon wore a hoodie you wear Hush Puppies,not the same...
8trackdisco Offline
#297 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Trayvon wore a hoodie you wear Hush Puppies,not the same...


I've got a black hoodie. Says Jagermeister on it. The shoes are... Nunn & Bush with orthopedic insoles, like all the gangstas wear.
wheelrite Offline
#298 Posted:
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Goerge Martin produced all the Beatle albums and now he offed a black boy ?
8trackdisco Offline
#299 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Goerge Martin produced all the Beatle albums and now he offed a black boy ?


Was he eating hush puppies?
wheelrite Offline
#300 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Was he eating hush puppies?


That's the missing CSI tidbit...

It ALL makes sense now !d'oh!
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