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PROOF ! Global Warming is a Hoax
wheelrite Offline
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This is what global cooling really looks like – new tree ring study shows 2000 years of cooling – previous studies underestimated temperatures of Roman and Medieval Warm Periods

Posted on July 9, 2012by Anthony Watts


From Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz: Climate in northern Europe reconstructed for the past 2,000 years: Cooling trend calculated precisely for the first time

Calculations prepared by Mainz scientists will also influence the way current climate change is perceived / Publication of results in Nature Climate Change


An international team including scientists from Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz (JGU) has published a reconstruction of the climate in northern Europe over the last 2,000 years based on the information provided by tree-rings. Professor Dr. Jan Esper’s group at the Institute of Geography at JGU used tree-ring density measurements from sub-fossil pine trees originating from Finnish Lapland to produce a reconstruction reaching back to 138 BC. In so doing, the researchers have been able for the first time to precisely demonstrate that the long-term trend over the past two millennia has been towards climatic cooling.

“We found that previous estimates of historical temperatures during the Roman era and the Middle Ages were too low,” says Esper. “Such findings are also significant with regard to climate policy, as they will influence the way today’s climate changes are seen in context of historical warm periods.”

The new study has been published in the journal Nature Climate Change.Was the climate during Roman and Medieval times warmer than today? And why are these earlier warm periods important when assessing the global climate changes we are experiencing today? The discipline of paleoclimatology attempts to answer such questions. Scientists analyze indirect evidence of climate variability, such as ice cores and ocean sediments, and so reconstruct the climate of the past. The annual growth rings in trees are the most important witnesses over the past 1,000 to 2,000 years as they indicate how warm and cool past climate conditions were.

Researchers from Germany, Finland, Scotland, and Switzerland examined tree-ring density profiles in trees from Finnish Lapland. In this cold environment, trees often collapse into one of the numerous lakes, where they remain well preserved for thousands of years.The international research team used these density measurements from sub-fossil pine trees in northern Scandinavia to create a sequence reaching back to 138 BC. The density measurements correlate closely with the summer temperatures in this area on the edge of the Nordic taiga.

The researchers were thus able to create a temperature reconstruction of unprecedented quality. The reconstruction provides a high-resolution representation of temperature patterns in the Roman and Medieval Warm periods, but also shows the cold phases that occurred during the Migration Period and the later Little Ice Age.In addition to the cold and warm phases, the new climate curve also exhibits a phenomenon that was not expected in this form.

For the first time, researchers have now been able to use the data derived from tree-rings to precisely calculate a much longer-term cooling trend that has been playing out over the past 2,000 years.

Their findings demonstrate that this trend involves a cooling of -0.3°C per millennium due to gradual changes to the position of the sun and an increase in the distance between the Earth and the sun.”This figure we calculated may not seem particularly significant,” says Esper. “However, it is also not negligible when compared to global warming, which up to now has been less than 1°C. Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.”
FuzzNJ Offline
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lol.

it is not proof climate change is a hoax.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol.

it is not proof climate change is a hoax.


pay attention,,,

Global warming,

particularly man made, a hoax...
GIBrett Offline
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Without a doubt there is climate change happening. On the other hand there is zero proof that it is "global warming"
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wheelrite wrote:
pay attention,,,

"GLOBAL WARMING"


Your arguing like your 12. We're discussing the same thing.

I'm not going to argue the science with you as I'm no expert and neither are you. I choose to trust professionals in their field more than industy paid for 'experts' or pundits. It is the same reason I go to a Doctor when I'm ill and not a witch doctor.

If you choose to deny sh*t for whatever reason, not my problem.
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got to the part about tree rings and lost interest somebody mind summing the rest of it up for me
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GIBrett wrote:
Without a doubt there is climate change happening. On the other hand there is zero proof that it is "global warming"


There is overwhelming proof actually.
wheelrite Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Your arguing like your 12. We're discussing the same thing.

I'm not going to argue the science with you as I'm no expert and neither are you. I choose to trust professionals in their field more than industy paid for 'experts' or pundits. It is the same reason I go to a Doctor when I'm ill and not a witch doctor.

If you choose to deny sh*t for whatever reason, not my problem.


Um,Vladimir,

Man Made Global warming and Climate Change are very different..
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More agenda 21 BS.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Your arguing like your 12. We're discussing the same thing.

I'm not going to argue the science with you as I'm no expert and neither are you. I choose to trust professionals in their field more than industy paid for 'experts' or pundits. It is the same reason I go to a Doctor when I'm ill and not a witch doctor.

If you choose to deny sh*t for whatever reason, not my problem.



not all the professionals/experts agree..... in fact, I heard some of the professionals/experts said Obama made them say it was true... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
not all the professionals/experts agree..... in fact, I heard some of the professionals/experts said Obama made them say it was true... Mellow


ack, no
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Laugh


it's true tho... Mellow
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wheelrite wrote:
Um,Vladimir,

Man Made Global warming and Climate Change are very different..


In your head perhaps. Those two terms are only what the phenomena has been called while being discussed. With the overall average temperature of the planet increasing, global warming was what the media and scientists first called it. Then yahoos like you were saying, 'look, it's snowing a lot in January', so people realized 'global warming' confused the morons.
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DrafterX wrote:
not all the professionals/experts agree..... in fact, I heard some of the professionals/experts said Obama made them say it was true... Mellow


recently a few of the big name promoters of global warming came out and said that they were wrong and that none of the changes are happening the way they thought it was. And they even said that the numbers of the ice melting we estimated and turned out to be very wrong. I wouldn't call either side overwhelming evidence.
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GIBrett wrote:
recently a few of the big name promoters of global warming came out and said that they were wrong and that none of the changes are happening the way they thought it was. And they even said that the numbers of the ice melting we estimated and turned out to be very wrong. I wouldn't call either side overwhelming evidence.


Link?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Link?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Mellow
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http://www.mrctv.org/node/112403

http://lineberycenter.org/chief-global-warming-scientist-recants-p283-1.htm

This is just two of many you can find just using google
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GIBrett wrote:
http://www.mrctv.org/node/112403

http://lineberycenter.org/chief-global-warming-scientist-recants-p283-1.htm

This is just two of many you can find just using google


lmao.

Might as well post 9/11 conspiracy theory websites.

The first link has a guy calling global warming a 'religion' and Al Gore the 'High Priest', and I just stopped listening there. No reputable scientist or news on science is coming from that.

The next guy has done no research. He's a government employee from Australia.

I am not going to argue any more on this subject, hopeless and stupid.

Go read some real books people, and if you refuse to do that then at least rely on those who do this sh*t for a living.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
In your head perhaps. Those two terms are only what the phenomena has been called while being discussed. With the overall average temperature of the planet increasing, global warming was what the media and scientists first called it. Then yahoos like you were saying, 'look, it's snowing a lot in January', so people realized 'global warming' confused the morons.


Nice try Yuri,
The commie U.N. IPCC crowd changed from Man Made GlobaL Warming to Climate Change when they realized the scam was exposed...

The Hockey Schtick was a rouse...
A money grab,,,,and complete garbage,,,Whistle
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wheelrite wrote:
Nice try Yuri,
The commie U.N. IPCC crowd changed from Man Made GlobaL Warming to Climate Change when they realized the scam was exposed...

The Hockey Schtick was a rouse...
A money grab,,,,and complete garbage,,,Whistle



there really needs to be a smiley depicting an ostrich with it's head in the sand...very sad how many have let politics cloud their vision to what is so completely obvious...both to common folk and the smartest minds on the planet.

But, it's important we stick to the party line here...damn left wing bozo's think they gonna scare everyone....cuz that helps their agenda, dontcha know...Sarcasm ...cripes....

say goodbye everyone. this is the beginning of the end. for reelz.

Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmao.

Might as well post 9/11 conspiracy theory websites.

The first link has a guy calling global warming a 'religion' and Al Gore the 'High Priest', and I just stopped listening there. No reputable scientist or news on science is coming from that.

The next guy has done no research. He's a government employee from Australia.

I am not going to argue any more on this subject, hopeless and stupid.

Go read some real books people, and if you refuse to do that then at least rely on those who do this sh*t for a living.


Dude I just googled it and posted the first two links. Don't act like I don't read... Google it yourself most of them point to the same group of scientists that jumped ship including the guy that led the study. Sorry that I didn't spend the time to read them word for word so I can learn something I already know so you can source the information that you want... Google Global warming scientist recant yourself and read your heart out... but don't insult my intelligence. That is the typical elitist liberal crap...
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GIBrett wrote:
Dude I just googled it and posted the first two links. Don't act like I don't read... Google it yourself most of them point to the same group of scientists that jumped ship including the guy that led the study. Sorry that I didn't spend the time to read them word for word so I can learn something I already know so you can source the information that you want... Google Global warming scientist recant yourself and read your heart out... but don't insult my intelligence. That is the typical elitist liberal crap...


Fuzz is an Elite domestic...
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GIBrett wrote:
Dude I just googled it and posted the first two links. Don't act like I don't read... Google it yourself most of them point to the same group of scientists that jumped ship including the guy that led the study. Sorry that I didn't spend the time to read them word for word so I can learn something I already know so you can source the information that you want... Google Global warming scientist recant yourself and read your heart out... but don't insult my intelligence. That is the typical elitist liberal crap...


????

You said:

GIBrett wrote:
recently a few of the big name promoters of global warming came out and said that they were wrong and that none of the changes are happening the way they thought it was. And they even said that the numbers of the ice melting we estimated and turned out to be very wrong. I wouldn't call either side overwhelming evidence.



as if you knew wtf you were talking about, you know, the story of the these big name 'promoters', like it was a real thing, not something you made up and had to just google and link whatever you found.

Good grief. Hey, you know evolution and gravity are just 'theories' right?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
????

You said:






Good grief. Hey, you know evolution and gravity are just 'theories' right?


Gravity can be proven much like the scam of man caused climate change/ global warming ......Flapper
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FuzzNJ wrote:
????

You said:




as if you knew wtf you were talking about, you know, the story of the these big name 'promoters', like it was a real thing, not something you made up and had to just google and link whatever you found.

Good grief. Hey, you know evolution and gravity are just 'theories' right?


I've read a few articles about it but that doesn't mean I have them bookmarked to source. I have read the articles before but it was earlier this year. The guys name was Lovelock or something of that nature.
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Gravity was a theory and now it's a law with an equation. When I see the global warming equation I'll believe it.
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Disinterested question: (i.e., not taking sides) What's the equation?
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Greean energy legislation = big $ + centalized controls
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An interesting read, I may have to dig up the study. I'm sure the work they did is pretty interesting.

However, this is the first red flag:

wheelrite wrote:

Their findings demonstrate that this trend involves a cooling of -0.3°C per millennium due to gradual changes to the position of the sun and an increase in the distance between the Earth and the sun.”This figure we calculated may not seem particularly significant,” says Esper. “However, it is also not negligible when compared to global warming, which up to now has been less than 1°C. Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.”


A 2000 year study (2 millennia) is concluding that there's a -0.3 C cooling per millennia, which they're then extrapolating out multiple millennia. This seems like a misuse of statistics, but it's possible the author of the article is just unable to dumb it down properly.
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victor809 wrote:
An interesting read, I may have to dig up the study. I'm sure the work they did is pretty interesting.

However, this is the first red flag:



A 2000 year study (2 millennia) is concluding that there's a -0.3 C cooling per millennia, which they're then extrapolating out multiple millennia. This seems like a misuse of statistics, but it's possible the author of the article is just unable to dumb it down properly.



Agreed with misuse of stats. It also fails to see micro trends in climate.

I'm not a scientist there for I cannot say there is or isn't global warming, however it is obvious there is climate change. Also true that we put out more CO2 which is a "greenhouse gas". Distance from the sun doesn't matter if you trap more of it's energy. That's like eating less when you're older but still putting on weight due to slow down in metabolism.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Greean energy legislation = big $ + centalized controls

Exactly!!
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We should all really take heed to what Al Gore says...
Cause if he is willing to criss cross the country in a private jet,
in the lap of luxury,
with an entourage of azz kissers,
and a plane load of hookers for his every need,
with his jet sucking down 550 gallons of Jet A fuel an hour everywhere he goes!!
Then Holy Shyte that must be an important message.

Everyone should tighten their belts and suck it up and stop being wasteful.
You know we are the ones that are causing it all... right?
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And this guy... I'm pretty sure he drives a Prius!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPTdeimbuuo&feature=related
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Roaster Dude wrote:
We should all really take heed to what Al Gore says...
Cause if he is willing to criss cross the country in a private jet,
in the lap of luxury,
with an entourage of azz kissers,
and a plane load of hookers for his every need,
with his jet sucking down 550 gallons of Jet A fuel an hour everywhere he goes!!
Then Holy Shyte that must be an important message.

Everyone should tighten their belts and suck it up and stop being wasteful.
You know we are the ones that are causing it all... right?


Don't forget the convoy of Suburbans that picks him and his entourage up at the airport and drives them around...
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GIBrett wrote:
Don't forget the convoy of Suburbans that picks him and his entourage up at the airport and drives them around...

Yep... them too
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Global warming is a fact. Everytime a group of
BOTL/SOTL light up the temperature rises.

Please pass the popcorn.
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Abrignac wrote:
Global warming is a fact. Everytime a group of
BOTL/SOTL light up the temperature rises.

Please pass the popcorn.


HA!! Light two...
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^ actually this one is #3 today. All the ice in my freezer just melted.
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And cue the meatballs using Al Gore's actions as "proof" that Global Warming doesn't exist.

By that logic, priests screwing young boys is proof god doesn't exist.
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damn Victor hell...... gotta wonder about you sometimes.... Mellow
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victor809 wrote:
And cue the meatballs using Al Gore's actions as "proof" that Global Warming doesn't exist.

By that logic, priests screwing young boys is proof god doesn't exist.


Applause Beer
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With such a long track record of conservative thought having been proven wrong time and time again on matters such as these, why is anyone even taking these Luddites seriously?
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FuzzNJ wrote:
With such a long track record of conservative thought having been proven wrong time and time again on matters such as these, why is anyone even taking these Luddites seriously?


A long record of being incorrect doesn't automatically mean the next statement could be wrong. Like I said, the study itself is probably very interesting, ignoring the poor conclusions third parties may be drawing from it.
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victor809 wrote:
A long record of being incorrect doesn't automatically mean the next statement could be wrong. Like I said, the study itself is probably very interesting, ignoring the poor conclusions third parties may be drawing from it.


Obviously all proper studies and research are part of the entire picture, but any change at all in any scientific research because of new evidence is taken by these right wing ditto heads as proof of a giant conspriracy to fool us. Example, evolution invented to fool us into thinking there is no God, etc. Science has built in the ability to change when new evidence if found and verified. This new evidence does not disprove 'global warming' or 'climate change', it adds to the discussion and research. Conservatives only like black and white, the grey areas frighten them.
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Ain't Skeered.... Not talking Not talking
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With such a long track record of liberal thought having been proven wrong time and time again on matters such as these, why is anyone even taking these Global Warming promulgators seriously?

See, I'm learning how to argue like a Liberal. I pull a statement out of my arse and present it as fact, therefore it must be true. BTW, how in the world did you come up with likening those who question global warming to Luddites? You're kidding, right? A 3rd grader could come up with a better analogy then that.

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http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1589.html

Here is the actual study.
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dpnewell wrote:
With such a long track record of liberal thought having been proven wrong time and time again on matters such as these, why is anyone even taking these Global Warming promulgators seriously?

See, I'm learning how to argue like a Liberal. I pull a statement out of my arse and present it as fact, therefore it must be true. BTW, how in the world did you come up with likening those who question global warming to Luddites? You're kidding, right? A 3rd grader could come up with a better analogy then that.



It's really simple if one had a rudimentary understanding of history. Flat earth, earth the center of the universe, illness caused by demons, evolution a lie to make us reject god, etc. Even today when talking about potential future technologies the resistance to even try to develop any is tremendous. The same thing happened when the combustible engine was invented. Conservatives were upset that it would ruin America, etc etc. Been going on a really long time.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
. The same thing happened when the combustible engine was invented. Conservatives were upset that it would ruin America, etc etc. Been going on a really long time.




Mellow
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Here's how I see it:

1. Global Climate Change is real.
2. Global Climate has been changing since time on earth began.
3. If not for "global warming" long ago, we'd still have icebergs all over our continent.
4. Man made influence over the global climate change is unproven.
5. If it were a "fact" or even the "accepted theory" then there would be no need for Al Gore and his minions to use blatant lies to make their point.

Now, this doesn't mean that man isn't to blame for our recent weather extremes. Simply that there isn't "proof". For every expert that says it's so, there is one with a counter (as evidenced by the OP).

But what difference does this make?
Because we still should be looking for alternative, non-fossil fuel sources.
For the benefit of our future.
For a cleaner environment.
For less dependency on foreign nations.

But we can achieve this without mandates and arbitrary time lines.
It can be accomplished instead by incentives. Because as any occupier can tell you: Money is king.

The wrong way to do it exactly how it's being done today.
The government is trying to force fit an agenda.
Here on Cape Cod, we're fighting a wind turbine plant that will be put in Nantucket Sound.
130 turbines over 400 ft tall.
Local utilities have been man-handled into buying the electricity.
Oh, and the rate is 1/3 HIGHER than our current high costs.
Oh, and not one single existing fossil fuel plant will be shut down. Not even the local nuclear plant. Because wind power is unpredictable. because on the days where demand is highest, the wind is often still. (Hottest days have highest demand due to air conditioners. And the hottest days are the days without wind. Basic 1+1=2 but this is all but ignored).

It's a shame.
We are being sold snake oil and it's become somehow political where the liberals are drinking it up and claiming dramatic effects that simply aren't true.
Which brings me back to my point #5. Why use lies to prove a point that you claim is valid?

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