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wheelrite Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:25 PM EST
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Pre-1972,,,,

Small block without question,,,

except maybe a 396cid...

or 427cid

wheel,
gimbel Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:33 PM EST
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400cid
illinichaser Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:35 PM EST
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BIG BLOCK 454 all the way.
wheelrite Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:37 PM EST
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gimbel wrote:
400cid


the worst small block ,other than the 305 chevy ever produced...

try again,,,
wheelrite Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:38 PM EST
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illinichaser wrote:
BIG BLOCK 454 all the way.

crap...

too long of a stroke.
a decent dump truck motor though
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:40 PM EST
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I just blew up a 305 chevy!
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:43 PM EST
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The greatest engine Chevy ever produced,,,

302 DZ Small Block...
wheelrite Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:44 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I just blew up a 305 chevy!


it was an old piece of crap...
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:47 PM EST
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Yup. 1984.

Shopping for a crate 383 to turn it into a drag car.
illinichaser Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:50 PM EST
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My dream car is a '70 chevelle LS 6.

454 producing 450 hp and close to 500 ft-lb of torque.

a revolutionary car for the muscle generation.
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:51 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yup. 1984.

Shopping for a crate 383 to turn it into a drag car.

no bro,,,

Get a 350, steel crank shaft, 4 bolt main caps and aluminum heads with a triple angle vale job...
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#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:52 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
no bro,,,

Get a 350, steel crank shaft, 4 bolt main caps and aluminum heads with a triple angle vale job...



This

For a dragster you can't go wrong with a set up like this.
wheelrite Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:53 PM EST
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illinichaser wrote:
My dream car is a '70 chevelle LS 6.

454 producing 450 hp and close to 500 ft-lb of torque.

a revolutionary car for the muscle generation.


no,,,

the 396 or 427 ,
much faster engines,

The 69 Z28 was THE revoutionary muscle car...
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#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:55 PM EST
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Not a fan of the z28. Don't know why, just not.

But, one things for sure, any of these bury a pony every day of the week and twice on sunday.
wheelrite Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 7:59 PM EST
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illinichaser wrote:
Not a fan of the z28. Don't know why, just not.

But, one things for sure, any of these bury a pony every day of the week and twice on sunday.


do you know the specs of the 69 Z28 with the 302 DZ ?

It is still one of the most powerful engines chevy ever produced...
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#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:01 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
no bro,,,

Get a 350, steel crank shaft, 4 bolt main caps and aluminum heads with a triple angle vale job...




383 is just a bored out 350. Even a 350 will be enough to force a transmission swap also!
Numismaniac Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:03 PM EST
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427, go for the power
illinichaser Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:06 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
do you know the specs of the 69 Z28 with the 302 DZ ?

It is still one of the most powerful engines chevy ever produced...


not disagreeing. Just not my choice in cars.

Maybe from my days of growing up around a bunch of rednecks all idolizing the camaro body.
wheelrite Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:07 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
383 is just a bored out 350. Even a 350 will be enough to force a transmission swap also!


No need to overbore a 350...

the bigger displacemnet does nothing but weaken the cylinder wall.

A steel crank shaft, 4 bolt mains make the motor durable..
And as we all should know it's the Heads that produce the HP...
202 valves, screw in studs, ported AND polished,,,

now that's a beast...
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#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:08 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
383 is just a bored out 350. Even a 350 will be enough to force a transmission swap also!



If you gonna swap out tranny's, may as well do it right and put in a ford 9 in rear-rear end.


Blaspheme, I know.
Numismaniac Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:09 PM EST
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Find you a 430 with a 4 barrel carb from an old burick deuce and a quarter, my 1st car, thing would fly top end. Can be geared to pick up on the front end or put in a boat as well, hehe
wheelrite Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:10 PM EST
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illinichaser wrote:
If you gonna swap out tranny's, may as well do it right and put in a ford 9 in rear-rear end.


Blaspheme, I know.



No no no...
a short tailed turbo 400 with a high stall speed torque converter and a 488 12 bolt chevy differential will do nicely.

But if it's a real drag racer, a two speed powerglide tranny is the way to go,,,
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#23 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:12 PM EST
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Numismaniac wrote:
Find you a 430 with a 4 barrel carb from an old burick deuce and a quarter, my 1st car, thing would fly top end. Can be geared to pick up on the front end or put in a boat as well, hehe


stop,,,
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#24 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:14 PM EST
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I'd love a 60's era Impala with the 427 hydramatic... 425 hp. WOO HOOO!

When your HP is close to your CID... you'ze cookin' wit grease.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:18 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I'd love a 60's era Impala with the 427 hydramatic... 425 hp. WOO HOOO!

When your HP is close to your CID... you'ze cookin' wit grease.


ugly car, great engine...
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#26 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:33 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
ugly car, great engine...


That's why they make a lot of different cars, dude. Somebody thought the Avalanche looked nice... it didn't, IMO.

Pacer? Gremlin? Those were ugly cars. The 66 Impala SS was beautiful.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:39 PM EST
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Hard to beat the ls6.. no factory small block could come close.
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#28 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:42 PM EST
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HD The 383 chevy is a 400 crank and 350trans block. Damn rookies.
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#29 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:44 PM EST
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Small blocks for cars, Big blocks for trucks. For the money you would spend on a mild big block you could build a SB with more HP and spin higher RPMs.
My 72 Nova has a 355 roller motor and has PLENTY of nuts for street/strip fun.
wheelrite Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:44 PM EST
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grmcooper wrote:
HD The 383 chevy is a 400 crank and 350trans block. Damn rookies.


yes,
it's called a stroking,,
and the they come apart at high rpms.
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#31 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:46 PM EST
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Screw Chevy. Nothing beats a Ford!

(Now that I've stirred the pot, I'll ducking for cover and let the bar room fight progress)
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#32 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:46 PM EST
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I forgot wheel knows everything. Pffft.
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#33 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:46 PM EST
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Wheel can stroke me.......
wheelrite Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:46 PM EST
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hill5673 wrote:
Small blocks for cars, Big blocks for trucks. For the money you would spend on a mild big block you could build a SB with more HP and spin higher RPMs.
My 72 Nova has a 355 roller motor and has PLENTY of nuts for street/strip fun.


Rollers are too much work,,,
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#35 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:47 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
383 is just a bored out 350. Even a 350 will be enough to force a transmission swap also!



A 383 is a 350 bored .300 with a 400 crank so it is bored and stroked
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#36 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:48 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
stop,,,



don't hate, get a real pimp ride, pick you up a 63 Wildcat and you'll be set.

Macs, I'll say they're not bad at all, a few guys around here have some rather original, really nice!!!
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#37 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:49 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Rollers are too much work,,,



? I don't get it. How is it any more work?
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#38 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:51 PM EST
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Hill........ wheel dont know about roller motors. Or anything else for that matter.
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#39 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:52 PM EST
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grmcooper wrote:
Hill........ wheel dont know about roller motors. Or anything else for that matter.


Whistle
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#40 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:53 PM EST
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Did someone say stroking????


Ford is better and everyone knows it. Chevys are for people who turn wrenches like a monkey.

Course all you people in flyover country only have straight roads anyways so a crappy car that doesnt turn doesn't matter.

Looks like Wheel has been reading a hot rod mag and feels empowered. You go boyyyyyyyyyy!
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#41 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:54 PM EST
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Wheel can read?
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#42 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:55 PM EST
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hill5673 wrote:
? I don't get it. How is it any more work?



Only way I could think of is if it was solid lifters and not hydraulic lifter and the same could be said about the flat tappet lifters they need adjusted pretty often
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#43 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:55 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Did someone say stroking????


Ford is better and everyone knows it. Chevys are for people who turn wrenches like a monkey.

Course all you people in flyover country only have straight roads anyways so a crappy car that doesnt turn doesn't matter.

Looks like Wheel has been reading a hot rod mag and feels empowered. You go boyyyyyyyyyy!


The only thing Ford did right was to put the distibutor in the front. Try taking a 302 or 351 Ford SB past 6k RPMs...
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#44 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:55 PM EST
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It has lotsa pictures too.....
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#45 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:56 PM EST
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vrodrider wrote:
Only way I could think of is if it was solid lifters and not hydraulic lifter and the same could be said about the flat tappet lifters they need adjusted pretty often


Yea, for the type of application I am talking about I would never use hydraulics.
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#46 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:56 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Screw Chevy. Nothing beats a Ford!

(Now that I've stirred the pot, I'll ducking for cover and let the bar room fight progress)


Mopar for me back then, 383's 440 twin 4 brls and 426 Hemis were my world.

(72 Sebring+ with 383 RR engine, slapstick auto for me back then)

A 69 396 Chevelle vs. 383 RR the race went both ways depending on the night. Both were great street cars.

Chevys? 302Z Camaro was a very kool and fast machine, looked as fast as they ran.
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#47 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:56 PM EST
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Flat tappet=HP
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#48 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:56 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Did someone say stroking????


Ford is better and everyone knows it. Chevys are for people who turn wrenches like a monkey.

Course all you people in flyover country only have straight roads anyways so a crappy car that doesnt turn doesn't matter.

Looks like Wheel has been reading a hot rod mag and feels empowered. You go boyyyyyyyyyy!



U been watching to damn many Ford commercials Jamie LOL
wheelrite Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:58 PM EST
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grmcooper wrote:
Hill........ wheel dont know about roller motors. Or anything else for that matter.


Roller Rockers have to be tweaked all the time..
The valves clatter,,,

have another Mimosa or for you a mamosa,,,

Applause
wheelrite Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2012, 8:59 PM EST
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vrodrider wrote:
U been watching to damn many Ford commercials Jamie LOL


nope

I had a few hot rods in my time...
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