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Flu shots.
8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,075
Did you get one?

If No, other than cost, what is your reasoning behind your decision?

I don't have an agenda on this; I haven't had one and don't currently plan to myself. The way the media is pushing it, I should probably be put on trial for my wonton disregard for the impending doom.
stogiemonger Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2009
Posts: 4,185
http://www.cigarbid.com/.../posts/627455/Flu-Shots

As I said in the above thread, I will not take of the witches brew.
whtwtrman79 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-23-2012
Posts: 2,319
Yep, every year but I'm in health care and ethically don't want to expose anyone, but would get one anyways, remember well the last time I had the flu and see people regularly who are miserable and out of work for a week, it's rather idiotic that they're pushing the vaccine now when people should have gotten it last year if they wanted one, the flu kills every year primarily really young and really old
dpnewell Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2009
Posts: 7,491
No, because by the time everyone starts talking about it, I usually already have the flu. The last few years I had it in November (last year went to pneumonia). This year I got the flu right around New Years, but am pretty much over it.

I should probably make a note to get the shot early next year, and see if it really works. I'm hearing numbers like 63% effective. That means that 37 out of 100 folks who get the shot still get the flu.

Last year a good friend lost all feeling in his arms, hands, legs and feet. Couldn't walk for months. Most of the feeling has come back, but he's still not 100%. I can't remember the name of the condition, but it was traced back to his flu shot.

So, I guess there's pros and cons.
riverdog Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-28-2008
Posts: 2,600
Took it early and do so every year. I work with fomites.
z6joker9 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2011
Posts: 5,902
I didn't get it because I didn't think about it until after my wife ready had the flu.
madspackler Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 03-07-2000
Posts: 3,608
Got one this year for the first time. My doctor highly recommended it and made it a part of my annual physical.
I have asthma and have had two bouts of sinus infections this year - just thought it was a good idea this year. I still got the flu, but only after my daughter came down with it and shared it with the family. It did only last for a few days compared to how bad off she was.
fishinguitarman Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2006
Posts: 69,148
My daughter made me get one and actually gave it to me.
streetrod Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2007
Posts: 2,110
No, never have. My Dr. tells me every year I should get one now that I'm a senior citizen ( he also tells me I should not smoke cigars).
rfenst Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
streetrod wrote:
No, never have. My Dr. tells me every year I should get one now that I'm a senior citizen ( he also tells me I should not smoke cigars).


Got my flue and pneumonia injections in late August/early October- when they firs became available. BCBS paid me $25 for getting each!
bloody spaniard Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
I think everyone should double and triple up on flu vaccines just to be sure... and the younger the better. ThumpUp
jackconrad Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-09-2003
Posts: 67,461
Flu and Pnenemonia in October.

Result

Have had flu for a month...
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
jackconrad wrote:
Flu and Pnenemonia in October.
Result
Have had flu for a month...



Remnants of that Ganges inspired, Pharma concocted, snake oil will circulate throughout your body the rest of your life.
It is the preventative silver bullet for whatever ails ye.

Excuse me, I'm late for my leeching followed by zesty dunking regimen.
knokmdwn Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 04-13-2008
Posts: 8,849
Haven't gotten one............yet. Historically I haven't gotten one in over 15 years. That said, with my wife an rn in a huge hospital that has 15 operating rooms, she has urged me to get one. The CDC says that they have hit the nail on the head this year with the vacine and that with the epidemic in the east, by the time it gets to California, I probably wont' be able to find a flu shot.

Will probably go down in the next day or two to get one.
knokmdwn Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 04-13-2008
Posts: 8,849
One of the things that I personally wasn't aware of (in past years) is that all the eggheads that are involved in flu vaccines put the data together and try and figure out what the flu virus make-up might be for the upcoming year. They can't make a cure-all but try to address the real nasty stuff that will kill an old person and/or really screw up an infant.....that sort of thing. They take their best SWAG and go with it. Sometimes the virus' we get are a little different than what the vaccine was targeted for and so we still get sick. We look at it as "sick is sick" and the shots are a waste of time.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,424
No I do not get flu shots.


8trackdisco Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,075
bloody spaniard wrote:
Remnants of that Ganges inspired, Pharma concocted, snake oil will circulate throughout your body the rest of your life.
It is the preventative silver bullet for whatever ails ye.

Excuse me, I'm late for my leeching followed by zesty dunking regimen.



Are the perservatives in the vaccine still the issue? Or is it the vaccine itself? Or... all vaccines?

Can you even get kids in school in the Peoples Reppublic of Mary-land w/o the full regimen of shots most laws require?
walksalone Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 11-10-2012
Posts: 379
I am 71 years young..I have been gettin the Flu shot for the last 10yrs along with an Irish Whiskey in both paws..Gotta make sure it is really a dead virus in dat dam needle.. Brick wall
dubleuhb Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
I never get the shot, haven't had one since the late 80's when I was in the military. I am kinda a germaphobe, (is that even a word?) anyway I wash my hands often, don't touch door handles with a bare hand, that kind of freakish stuff. Crowded places suck and I avoid them like the plague. I cannot remember the last time I had the flu so it works for me.

The actual shot is another story, I don't want that crap injected in me.
riverdog Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 03-28-2008
Posts: 2,600
Fear not the occasional handmade cigar with a human hair protruding from the cut cap, dubya.{;-)
dubleuhb Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
Naw that don't get to me, my cigars sit around so long I doubt anything is living among the leaf. Besides she was probably such a fine and pure young girl rolling it there would be nothing to worry about.
MACS Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,774
Nope... since I left the military, I have sworn off any and all shots that I do not need.

I'm healthy, my immune system works fine, so I don't need any shots... whatever they're for.

Hell, even when I was active duty I'd skip the flu shot (even if it was mandatory).
riverdog Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 03-28-2008
Posts: 2,600
dubleuhb wrote:
.......... she was probably such a fine and pure young girl rolling it there would be nothing to worry about.


Pure as the driven snow, no doubt about it.Herfing
lou2row Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 12-22-2006
Posts: 9,995
riverdog wrote:
Fear not the occasional handmade cigar with a human hair protruding from the cut cap, dubya.{;-)



I've got one with two long hairs coming out of the cut end if you want to smoke it, RD.

On topic, I don't get the shot.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,424
Hearing the military in this makes me think back to when you had to walk a grey line with circles...stop on the circles...someone with an airgun hyperdermic delivery system shoots you in one arm...move forward...they shoot you in the other...lather, rinse, repeat about 5 more times...you walk out of the auditorium and they PT you while you look around everyone's got blood dripping down their arms...we're doing about 50 push-ups...next wekk everyone is falling out for sick call...yeah...no wonder I don't get them.
riverdog Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 03-28-2008
Posts: 2,600
lou2row wrote:
I've got one with two long hairs coming out of the cut end if you want to smoke it, RD.


I only smoke clean machine made cigars.Angel
dubleuhb Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Hearing the military in this makes me think back to when you had to walk a grey line with circles...stop on the circles...someone with an airgun hyperdermic delivery system shoots you in one arm...move forward...they shoot you in the other...lather, rinse, repeat about 5 more times...you walk out of the auditorium and they PT you while you look around everyone's got blood dripping down their arms...we're doing about 50 push-ups...next wekk everyone is falling out for sick call...yeah...no wonder I don't get them.

Went to Thailand for training back in 88, had to get an encephalitis vaccination. Two part, a week between injections. Right in the upper arse area, couldn't sit on that cheek for most of the week. Went to get the other part and the stuck the needle right in the same spot, fudge that hurt, had this huge lump there and a few days later was sick as I have ever been, almost missed the deployment. Of course they told me it had nothing to do with the injection. Still wonder what exactly that was all about and to think I volunteered to go on that as support as it was a different unit that was deployed.
Gene363 Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,814
rfenst wrote:
Got my flue and pneumonia injections in late August/early October- when they firs became available. BCBS paid me $25 for getting each!



I had both those and a Shingles shot as well. Having had the real flu once and pneumonia twice, I was happy to avoid repeating those experiences.
CelticBomber Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
I usually get one every year and I've never gotten the flu when I've gotten the shot. I was at my Dr's office in November and forgot to ask for it... Sure enough as you all know I got the flu and got it bad. Every year that I forget to get the shot I've gotten sick and every year I get the shot I've been fine. If you get sick don't "ride it out" go to your Doctor and get antibiotics to help prevent a secondary infection. I hear people say all the time that taking antibiotics when you have the flu is silly because a virus causes the flu and antibiotics won't help. The point of taking the antibiotics though is so you don't get what I got... a bad respiratory infection because the flu left my immune system trashed and wide open to everything. Get the shot! Especially if you are going to be around small children or the elderly, you really don't want to be the person who got a little kid or an older person sick.


Celtic
streetrod Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 08-16-2007
Posts: 2,110
walksalone wrote:
I am 71 years young..I have been gettin the Flu shot for the last 10yrs along with an Irish Whiskey in both paws..Gotta make sure it is really a dead virus in dat dam needle.. Brick wall



If you have not gotten the flu over this period, please send me the Irish Whiskey & I'll still pass on the flu shot.BigGrin
blackfoot11 Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2004
Posts: 9,593
MACS wrote:
Nope... since I left the military, I have sworn off any and all shots that I do not need.

I'm healthy, my immune system works fine, so I don't need any shots... whatever they're for.

Hell, even when I was active duty I'd skip the flu shot (even if it was mandatory).



yep. and juss look how ya turned out........................nuff said...........................
wheelrite Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
MACS wrote:
Nope... since I left the military, I have sworn off any and all shots that I do not need.

I'm healthy, my immune system works fine, so I don't need any shots... whatever they're for.

Hell, even when I was active duty I'd skip the flu shot (even if it was mandatory).


Um,,,
You work in the Correctional System in California..

You should get every vaccination and wear Bio Hazard suit,,,
rfenst Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
knokmdwn wrote:
One of the things that I personally wasn't aware of (in past years) is that all the eggheads that are involved in flu vaccines put the data together and try and figure out what the flu virus make-up might be for the upcoming year. They can't make a cure-all but try to address the real nasty stuff that will kill an old person and/or really screw up an infant.....that sort of thing. They take their best SWAG and go with it. Sometimes the virus' we get are a little different than what the vaccine was targeted for and so we still get sick. We look at it as "sick is sick" and the shots are a waste of time.




Influenza outbreaks tend to follow generalized, world-wide patterns. Predictions are made- based on what is observed, many, many months ahead of our flu season. Vaccine production begins very early so that there is enough time to make an adequate supply.

My brother, a pediatrician, said today that while last year was mild, this year is terrible and is expected to become a full-fledged medical epidemic, possibly setting a record. Thankfully, the flues this year are milder and not very lethal than in years past.

There are presently three predominant influenza strains in circulation. This year's vaccine covered all three. The fourth predicted strain has not shown up. One can get sick from all three strains at the same time or in succession.

It is up to each individual whether the risk of the vaccine is worth taking when compared to the risk associated with the particular strains of influenza anticipated.
rfenst Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
CelticBomber wrote:
I usually get one every year and I've never gotten the flu when I've gotten the shot. I was at my Dr's office in November and forgot to ask for it... Sure enough as you all know I got the flu and got it bad. Every year that I forget to get the shot I've gotten sick and every year I get the shot I've been fine. If you get sick don't "ride it out" go to your Doctor and get antibiotics to help prevent a secondary infection. I hear people say all the time that taking antibiotics when you have the flu is silly because a virus causes the flu and antibiotics won't help. The point of taking the antibiotics though is so you don't get what I got... a bad respiratory infection because the flu left my immune system trashed and wide open to everything. Get the shot! Especially if you are going to be around small children or the elderly, you really don't want to be the person who got a little kid or an older person sick.


Celtic


There are also anti-viral meds, which if taken within 24-48 hours of onset, lessen the severity and/or reduce the intensity.
Gene363 Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,814
wheelrite wrote:
Um,,,
You work in the Correctional System in California..

You should get every vaccination and wear Bio Hazard suit,,,


+1,000 fog
rfenst Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
dubleuhb wrote:
Went to Thailand for training back in 88, had to get an encephalitis vaccination. Two part, a week between injections. Right in the upper arse area, couldn't sit on that cheek for most of the week. Went to get the other part and the stuck the needle right in the same spot, fudge that hurt, had this huge lump there and a few days later was sick as I have ever been, almost missed the deployment. Of course they told me it had nothing to do with the injection. Still wonder what exactly that was all about and to think I volunteered to go on that as support as it was a different unit that was deployed.


I actually survived terrible encephalitis and am extraordinarily lucky to be able to walk and talk. You do not want any type of it. Life as you know it can be over for good.
wheelrite Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
you morons know Flu Shots arem only 60% effective in a good year,,,
rfenst Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
wheelrite wrote:
you morons know Flu Shots arem only 60% effective in a good year,,,


Had I known the vaccine wasn't 100% effective, I would never have considered getting it.Sarcasm

Because you can still get the flu even though you received a proper vaccination with the proper strains and/or because there are strains that the vaccine is not made to protect against?

In any event, those who get the flu after a vaccination containing the particular strain they are infected with, do not tend to get as sick and/or tend to recover faster.

justinjoslin82 Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 01-02-2013
Posts: 419
Never had the shot. Never had the flu.
JadeRose Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2008
Posts: 19,525
Nope.....know too many people that have GOTTEN the flu from the shot. No thanks
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
I heard the shot only prevented 63% from getting the flu... so what's the average of people who didn't get a shot catching da flu..???? Huh
dpnewell Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2009
Posts: 7,491
DrafterX wrote:
I heard the shot only prevented 63% from getting the flu... so what's the average of people who didn't get a shot catching da flu..???? Huh


Wouldn't it be strange to find out that 37% of folks who DON'T get the shot, get the flu?
dubleuhb Offline
#43 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
Posts: 11,350
JadeRose wrote:
Nope.....know too many people that have GOTTEN the flu from the shot. No thanks

Uhm......no
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
dpnewell wrote:
Wouldn't it be strange to find out that 37% of folks who DON'T get the shot, get the flu?



I would almost bet the percentage of those who don't get the flu shot and get the flu is prolly alot less than 37%..... Mellow
CelticBomber Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
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I'm amazed to find so many PhD's on a cigar forum who know better than the people who spend their life studying and treating sick people.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted:
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Posts: 98,548
CelticBomber wrote:
I'm amazed to find so many PhD's on a cigar forum who know better than the people who spend their life studying and treating sick people.



no better way to learn than experience something....... Mellow
CelticBomber Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
DrafterX wrote:
no better way to learn than experience something....... Mellow



So you're saying having the flu teaches you everything you need to know about how a virus works and how vaccines work?
Mrs.Tank Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 02-15-2005
Posts: 10,047
rfenst wrote:


My brother, a pediatrician, said today that while last year was mild, this year is terrible and is expected to become a full-fledged medical epidemic, possibly setting a record. Thankfully, the flues this year are milder and not very lethal than in years past.




Tell that to the people that died.

18+ kids now.

I have not had the shot. I did see my doc in November, and she tested me for the flu, but I tested negative.


Gene363 Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,814
CelticBomber wrote:
I'm amazed to find so many PhD's on a cigar forum who know better than the people who spend their life studying and treating sick people.


Oh so very true!
DrafterX Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
CelticBomber wrote:
So you're saying having the flu teaches you everything you need to know about how a virus works and how vaccines work?



uhhh ya..... that's exactly what I said alright.... Mellow
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