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Flu shots.
8trackdisco Offline
#101 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
I'm amazed to find so many PhD's on a cigar forum who know better than the people who spend their life studying and treating sick people.


Are you talking about the same medical community that had no qualms over having mercury in silver dental fillings back in the 70's?

Or the gubmint saying AIDS was likely homo only disease in the early 80's.

Or that cocaine was an appropriate elixir for mouth pain?

I try hard to listen and believe everything the government says too. They are the last bastion of America free of corruption. The pharma lobby is one of the biggest payers for access in Washington.

You expect the govt and the CDC to kill the financial golden goose by announcing the shots are full of garbage,and the true long term effects of prolonged use are not known?

........... Really?
CelticBomber Offline
#102 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Are you talking about the same medical community that had no qualms over having mercury in silver dental fillings back in the 70's?

Or the gunsmith saying AIDS was likely homo only disease in the early 80's.

Or that cocaine was an appropriate elixir for mouth pain?

I try hard to listen and believe everything the government says too. They are the last bastion of America free of corruption. The pharma lobby is one of the biggest payers for access in Washington.

You expect the govt and the CDC to kill the financial golden goose by announcing the shots are full of garbage,and the true long term effects of prolonged use are not known?

........... Really?


Yes. Not everything is a grand conspiracy. Do you refuse all medication or is it just a conspiracy when it comes to flu shots? Doctors used to use leeches and pushed blood letting to release the bad poisons from our bodies but over time and with research they learned better. I'm betting that if you need medication for your heart or liver to keep you alive you'll take them. If given the choice of risking polio or taking a vaccine to keep from being crippled the rest of your life or your children's lives you'll take the pill or shot. I wonder sometimes if our society is becoming more paranoid or if it was always like this and social media is just exposing it. You've got people out there saying the Sandy Hook shootings were a conspiracy now. It's like we need a boogie man out there to blame for all the things in our lives that don't go the way we planned.
8trackdisco Offline
#103 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Yes. Not everything is a grand conspiracy. Do you refuse all medication or is it just a conspiracy when it comes to flu shots? Doctors used to use leeches and pushed blood letting to release the bad poisons from our bodies but over time and with research they learned better. I'm betting that if you need medication for your heart or liver to keep you alive you'll take them. If given the choice of risking polio or taking a vaccine to keep from being crippled the rest of your life or your children's lives you'll take the pill or shot. I wonder sometimes if our society is becoming more paranoid or if it was always like this and social media is just exposing it. You've got people out there saying the Sandy Hook shootings were a conspiracy now. It's like we need a boogie man out there to blame for all the things in our lives that don't go the way we planned.


Not everything is a grand conspiracy. But how many years ago to congress vote to block citizens from suing the makers of the flu vaccine? Do you think that was them bowing to their constituency? Do you think Joe Punchclock called his congressman and said.... Please protect the pharma giants from lawsuits? Nope.

The legislature took the cash, signed away the citizen's rights to be made whole again, and the machine rolled.

They can bring used condoms into the serum, admit to it and still skate.

For every Conspiarcy Theorist, there is going to be some mind-numbed horse that will continue plodding to the tune of whatever the government tells them. Enjoy your oats.
CelticBomber Offline
#104 Posted:
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Or it might be they were getting sued by every uneducated crackpot and the government was forced to step in. Back to my oats and my disease free family.
HockeyDad Offline
#105 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Or it might be they were getting sued by every uneducated crackpot and the government was forced to step in. Back to my oats and my disease free family.



I rec'con they were sued by lawyers.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#106 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I rec'con they were sued by lawyers.




That thar's a goodun...ya know it wuz dem city slickers. Wif thar beedy lil eyes and big ol pockets.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#107 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
you morons know Flu Shots arem only 60% effective in a good year,,,


The percentage is actually 80-90%....so get your damn flu shots people! They save lives and make the flu less severe when you do get it...

Now has someone mentioned that flu shots are a government conspiracy yet?

d'oh!
bloody spaniard Offline
#108 Posted:
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
The percentage is actually 80-90%....so get your damn flu shots people! They save lives and make the flu less severe when you do get it...
Now has someone mentioned that flu shots are a government conspiracy yet?
d'oh!


My suggestion: Do ample research until you're satisfied.
My opnion: You'll live the rest of your life with regret if you or your loved ones are vaccinated with the flu vaccine. Guaranteed. You don't chelate or flush all that junk out of your body.
MrsSledn Offline
#109 Posted:
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This thread has been on my mind.

A friend of mine... 38 years old. Married. Two young boys ages 4 and 7. She was 32 weeks pregnant with a little girl.

Found unresponsive in her home the other night. She had been suffereing from the flu for 2 weeks. Get her to the hospital and perform an emergency C-section. Medical staff work on baby for 13 minutes. Baby girl never opened her eyes. My friend, dead. It was thought she had suffered from a pulmonary embolism. Autopsy says natural causes.

Even with this, I will still never take a flu shot, EVER. I didn't do it while pregnant and I will not on my own.

Call me stupid, call me silly. I don't care. My body. My kids bodies. My husband will not get one either. After I had my 11 month old son, I glady got a shot for DTaP even though I had just received a tetanus shot in 2011 after my cat scratched my eyelid open. Those are shots that have been well tested over and over.

This flu shot is just to controversial.
JTokash Offline
#110 Posted:
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What's a flu shot? (Sarcasm alert.)

I haven't been to a doctor in over 15 years, in that time I've been sick maybe three times, but just head colds... nothing I couldn't shake in 1-2 days.

When I started my new job I was required to get a "fit for work" physical (as are all new employees). They tested everything from my eyes to my hearing to range of motion of my arms and legs, and even some stupid breathing test to see what my lung capacity was (about 130%). When they wanted to draw blood I told them to screw off. They didn't like me refusing the blood work... tough ****, I know I'm not sick, nor do I care what my cholesterol levels are... nor do I think it's any concern of my employer to know. Considering the crap I work with, what's in my blood is the least of my worries. One false move on my part would make national news (literally), and I'd not be around to worry about it.

When I hear people talking about constantly going to a doctor every time they have a cough or sniffle in their nose it just makes me laugh. That skit about germs by George Carlin comes to mind.
CelticBomber Offline
#111 Posted:
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JTokash wrote:
What's a flu shot? (Sarcasm alert.)

I haven't been to a doctor in over 15 years, in that time I've been sick maybe three times, but just head colds... nothing I couldn't shake in 1-2 days.

When I started my new job I was required to get a "fit for work" physical (as are all new employees). They tested everything from my eyes to my hearing to range of motion of my arms and legs, and even some stupid breathing test to see what my lung capacity was (about 130%). When they wanted to draw blood I told them to screw off. They didn't like me refusing the blood work... tough ****, I know I'm not sick, nor do I care what my cholesterol levels are... nor do I think it's any concern of my employer to know. Considering the crap I work with, what's in my blood is the least of my worries. One false move on my part would make national news (literally), and I'd not be around to worry about it.

When I hear people talking about constantly going to a doctor every time they have a cough or sniffle in their nose it just makes me laugh. That skit about germs by George Carlin comes to mind.



There's a difference between having a cold and a Flu that gives you a 103 degree fevor and you start to hallucination. That's exactly how bad the flu is this year. Yes the flu vaccine is not perfect but it's better than nothing. You either don't get the flu, get a mild version of the flu that doesn't last as long or you get the flu. That's it. No one here is talking about hypochondriacs. Just the merits of the vaccine vs these so called cons that aren't based in fact. I'm fully open to the idea that some people might have a genetic flaw that the vaccine might trigger but that's yet to be proven.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#112 Posted:
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You forgot about the debilitating body aches that last for days, and the pneumonia that often follows...
zitotczito Offline
#113 Posted:
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I have been getting the shot for as long as I can remember and have not even got a mild case of the flu. I am in constant daily contact with the public so I get the shot. Good or bad, conspiracy or not, I have not gotten sick so I will keep getting it.
HockeyDad Offline
#114 Posted:
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I have never got a flu shot. I cannot remember getting even a mild case of the flu. I am in heavy contact with the public and travel heavily on commercial airliners.

The flu: Darwin thinning the herd.
bloody spaniard Offline
#115 Posted:
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I don't think he would notice the debilitating effects of vaccines over years.jester

I also wonder if there's a reason the folks behind the vaccine campaigns don't inoculate their own...Think
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#116 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I don't think he would notice the debilitating effects of vaccines over years.jester

I also wonder if there's a reason the folks behind the vaccine campaigns don't inoculate their own...Think


Man the misinformation in this area is staggering!!!
bloody spaniard Offline
#117 Posted:
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That's what they used to say about lead, cigarettes, margarine, xrays(radiation), & asbestos, among other things and still say about mercury...ThumpUp ThumpUp
(Brought to you by the challenged proponents of milk being good for ulcers)BigGrin

We'll know the "truth" in a generation or two, won't we?
SMGBobbyScott Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
That's what they used to say about lead, cigarettes, margarine, xrays(radiation), & asbestos, among other things and still say about mercury...ThumpUp ThumpUp
(Brought to you by the challenged proponents of milk being good for ulcers)BigGrin

We'll know the "truth" in a generation or two, won't we?


All of the above created and perpetuated primarily by private industry with a vested interest in continuing the practice, not backed by hard science, and milk is soothing for ulcers...it just doesn't treat the problem (it is a virus).

The healthcare industry, the CDC, and almost every doctor on the planet doesn't have a vested interest in promoting vaccinations, a group of pharmaceutical companies do. While the early inclusion of mercury as a preservative in some vaccinations was probably a poor choice, it overall hasn't effected the overall positive impact of the program. The numbers prove over and over that vaccinations in EVERY form saves lives. The reason we have the luxury of having this debate is because the program has been so successful at reducing the impact of disease on our society (it is called "herd immunity") to such an extent that those who choose not to vaccinate themselves (i.e. play Russian Roulette) have to date been lucky because the vaccinations are doing their job.

I am vaccinated for everything that I can be and so are my children...I will live through the next epidemic, I hope you and yours do too...
8trackdisco Offline
#119 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:


I also wonder if there's a reason the folks behind the vaccine campaigns don't inoculate their own...Think


I'd love to have that supporting documentation. Do you have some of that info within reach?
CelticBomber Offline
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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/19/16589204-after-a-century-without-the-disease-cuba-fights-to-contain-cholera?lite

Tell me you wouldn't get the vaccine for you and your family if you were over there.
bloody spaniard Offline
#121 Posted:
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
All of the above created and perpetuated primarily by private industry with a vested interest in continuing the practice, not backed by hard science, and milk is soothing for ulcers...it just doesn't treat the problem (it is a virus).

The healthcare industry, the CDC, and almost every doctor on the planet doesn't have a vested interest in promoting vaccinations, a group of pharmaceutical companies do. While the early inclusion of mercury as a preservative in some vaccinations was probably a poor choice, it overall hasn't effected the overall positive impact of the program. The numbers prove over and over that vaccinations in EVERY form saves lives. The reason we have the luxury of having this debate is because the program has been so successful at reducing the impact of disease on our society (it is called "herd immunity") to such an extent that those who choose not to vaccinate themselves (i.e. play Russian Roulette) have to date been lucky because the vaccinations are doing their job.

I am vaccinated for everything that I can be and so are my children...I will live through the next epidemic, I hope you and yours do too...




Old wive's tale (or junk science) about milk--- treatment for ulcers typically involves antibiotics to kill the H. pylori bacterium and other medications to reduce the level of acid in your digestive system. Gastric ulcers are eroded lesions in the esophagus, stomach or duodenum lining, most likely a result of H.pylori bacteria infection and inflammation. Milk does more harm than good. While coating the stomach lining, which in theory should help, milk, which is officially declared an alkaline- forming food, also steps up the production of stomach acids due to it's cell killing fats which diminish supply of nourishment to cells due to clogged capillaries AND its protein which when digested, produces uric acid.

This is why milk will ultimately worsen, rather than heal, gastric pain and ulcers. End of story.




As far as, the herd inoculation theory protecting the few that go unvaccinated, it's been neither proven nor disproven. I suppose the more you repeat an opinion, the more it becomes "fact".

I'll grant you this, vaccines MAY save some lives BUT the number of lives it destroys is ultimately much higher. What I mean by that, is that some lives saved by limited exposure to a pandemic's disease virus is far supplanted IMHO by the incalculably larger numbers of people (and especially children) killed, injured, & maimed (immunological problems ranging from birth defects to childhood asthma & diabetes) by the injections. Much of its effects may take place years down the road when you are least likely to make the connection to the culprit. I too, hope that you and yours survive the next epidemic. Just make sure that you have assisted living insurance if your dementia kicks in while in your 50's. Me? I'd rather be dead than part of the ever increasing "living dead" time bombs.

Don't despair with me & others like me. We were once among the many sheep like you who willingly lined up to receive our shots & swallow the lie. Despite the ever increasing number of damaged children since the 90's with learning difficulties and other developmental diseases, we also meant no harm to ourselves and others...

I will refrain from commenting further on the mostly junk science based & money- driven vaccine program which will be disproven some day IMO. Unfortunately, too late for many. Let's agree to disagree. I've fought this fight many times- too many times, & am no longer interested in dissuading people who blindly obey their doctor gods.

God bless & good luck.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#122 Posted:
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I stand corrected on the H. pylori...it is a bacterium, not a virus...I knew that and mis-spoke because I knew it could be treated with antibiotics. As for the milk, it provides short term relief by reducing the ph level in your stomach...nothing more.

As for the other, I'm sorry that you feel that way...the comparisons of countries that do versus don't immunize should generally dispel an doubt that anyone would have...particularly in children, but even with the flu the numbers of deaths and related reactions is noticeably lower...I'm not a "doctor god" but I can read statistics pretty well.

God Bless you as well...
bloody spaniard Offline
#123 Posted:
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Thank you, brother. I re-read my post & hope I didn't come across too insulting. I have a strange sense of humor. lol
If I'm proven wrong, I will gladly be your shoe shiner/errand boy for eternity in the next life.d'oh!
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#124 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Thank you, brother. I re-read my post & hope I didn't come across too insulting. I have a strange sense of humor. lol
If I'm proven wrong, I will gladly be your shoe shiner/errand boy for eternity in the next life.d'oh!


LOL!!! No need, I'm guessing that we will both be wrong on enough stuff to keep us busy in the afterlife...shesh my list is already a mile long!

Pray
skillett Offline
#125 Posted:
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got mine last fall when I was supposed to, kinda common sense, if you know what i mean?
bloody spaniard Offline
#126 Posted:
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^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! Frying pan


SMGBobbyScott wrote:
LOL!!! No need, I'm guessing that we will both be wrong on enough stuff to keep us busy in the afterlife...shesh my list is already a mile long!

Pray




So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!
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#127 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! Frying pan






So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!


Sign me up!
dkeage Offline
#128 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! Frying pan






So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!




Wigz....Beer
JTokash Offline
#129 Posted:
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Yep, nothing bad ever happens to people who get the flu shot... nope never... except these 800 people:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/22/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-link-to-gsk-swine-flu-shot/
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#130 Posted:
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JTokash wrote:
Yep, nothing bad ever happens to people who get the flu shot... nope never... except these 800 people:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/22/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-link-to-gsk-swine-flu-shot/


Oh yeah, 800 out of 30 million and the American version didn't include the ingredient that supposedly caused the problem....but okey dokey!!!
JTokash Offline
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Baaa baaa go the sheep.
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#132 Posted:
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It's stuff like this that makes me wonder if people have a rational grasp of numbers (well, this and the lottery)....
The odds we're talking about in the study are 0.0026% of the total individuals given that shot.

I do think that there's a possibility that the side effect is real. But it's also something that would never be detected in clinical trials.... the rate of effect is so low.

This may not make some of you feel safer, but clinical trials are not going to catch a side effect with that low a rate of occurrence, for any drug. Especially if the side effect is as ambiguous as narcolepsy, and particularly if it requires some time to develop.

If you're going to allow the fear of something with this low a probability of occurrence to dictate your use of a drug, then I would recommend not taking anything.... ever... or be prepared to pay absolutely ridiculous amounts of money for your drugs (and I mean WAY more ridiculous than they currently are). You just can't test to that level.

In fact, if that's your required level of security, I would recommend not flying either... There is an acceptable "failure rate" in parts/systems for airplanes as well. they test to a certain level. It's understood that given enough planes in the air enough hours, things will fail occasionally.
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I got one and all my poopies is Green now !
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#134 Posted:
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Six Sigma or 1 per 1,000,000 flights is the estimated "critical" failure rate the last I heard...there are certainly more than that and the mitigation usually prevents death even in those cases but that is the current level of rigor in plane flight as I understand it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#135 Posted:
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Yeah all chance the eugenist Bill Gates gave those lucky people in India those great shots.
Homebrew Offline
#136 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
There are also anti-viral meds, which if taken within 24-48 hours of onset, lessen the severity and/or reduce the intensity.

I am also violently allergic, to anti virals. I had the swine flu a few years back. The doctor put me on anti-virals within a couple of hours, I was head to toe hives. Even my tongue itched. And no I do not take a flu shot. That case of the Swine Flu, was the first time I have had the flu, in 20 years. There were a couple of times that I thought I had the flu, but it turned out to be strep.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
JTokash Offline
#137 Posted:
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Victor,

I understand statistics quite well, having math classes at the 600 level during my Ph.D. Honestly I don't care if the rate of side effects is 1:1,000,000,000 I'm still not getting shot up with anything... I don't get sick enough to worry about it.
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JTokash wrote:
Victor,

I understand statistics quite well, having math classes at the 600 level during my Ph.D. Honestly I don't care if the rate of side effects is 1:1,000,000,000 I'm still not getting shot up with anything... I don't get sick enough to worry about it.


If you undertand the low incidences of the study, why would you allow that to impact your choice?
I fully understand not getting the shot. I don't get sick generally, so getting the flu shot is at the bottom of a huge "to do" list. It'll be decades before I get around to it, and it's offered at work. But whether or not it has a very low incidence of side effects isn't really going to sway my choice. The odds are too low.

There are reasons to get a shot, there are reasons not to. I'm fine either way.
bloody spaniard Offline
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victor809 wrote:
If you undertand the low incidences of the study, why would you allow that to impact your choice?
I fully understand not getting the shot. I don't get sick generally, so getting the flu shot is at the bottom of a huge "to do" list. It'll be decades before I get around to it, and it's offered at work. But whether or not it has a very low incidence of side effects isn't really going to sway my choice. The odds are too low.

There are reasons to get a shot, there are reasons not to. I'm fine either way.




You don't know that. Jtokash was being a gentleman.
I've never seen a vaccine study where the results weren't skewed, such as by age of test audience, frequency, amounts and/or quality of serum. Depends on what results are desired from the targeted audience- the test's funder will make the numbers fit into their agenda if they have a vested interest.

Give me three vaccine studies that support your numbers and I'll find the flaws if I have time.

Shiite, I promised myself I wouldn't bite.
Abrignac Offline
#140 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
You don't know that. Jtokash was being a gentleman.
I've never seen a vaccine study where the results weren't skewed, such as by age of test audience, frequency, amounts and/or quality of serum. Depends on what results are desired from the targeted audience- the test's funder will make the numbers fit into their agenda if they have a vested interest.

Give me three vaccine studies that support your numbers and I'll find the flaws if I have time.

Shiite, I promised myself I wouldn't bite.



It took an incredible amount of restraint or me.
bloody spaniard Offline
#141 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
It took an incredible amount of restraint or me.



LOL- Victor can have that effect on folks, Abrignac. He's a good guy though.

All one has to do is google the names of the ever- changing principals to see how the CDC, FDA, and PHARMA brass all play an ethically- challenged, incestuous musical chairs with each other. Then they plead unbiased innocence. It's disgusting
wheelrite Offline
#142 Posted:
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I shot a duck that flu over me a while back,,,
wheelrite Offline
#143 Posted:
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I shot a duck that flu over me a while back,,,
bloody spaniard Offline
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Goonite, Mr. Tourettes.
Herfing
JTokash Offline
#145 Posted:
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Victor,

It has nothing to do with statistics for me. I just simply don't want/need a flu shot based on my prior good health. My last job was crappy (literally... I worked in a lab where we handled waste water from the city's sewage treatment plant) and people in our group would always get sick, but I never got sick other than a runny nose in winter... no fever, cough, aches, etc.

And on top of that, that job was at a university where I rode mass transit and was exposed to hundreds/thousands of snot-nosed, germ infested, dirty, stinky college kids each day (there were 40,000+ students there but how many would I see in a day, probably a couple hundred). So if I didn't get sick from that, the flu is the least of my worries so I see no reason to inject God knows what into my body.

I agree with Bloody: any study is (or likely is) skewed to prove a point. Didn't the government tell the people that DDT was safe at one time (1940s-ish)? I'm sure there were countless "studies" showing no ill effects of exposure to DDT, and yet now we know it's bad juju.
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#146 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
I shot a duck that flu over me a while back,,,

another case of Bird Flew?
ZRX1200 Offline
#147 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah all chance the eugenist Bill Gates gave those lucky people in India those great shots.



Well rfenster…..can’t say some of us aren’t consistent…..Gates is 💩
rfenst Offline
#148 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Well rfenster…..can’t say some of us aren’t consistent.

This is very true, Jamie. This was a good read. Thanks for topping it.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Are you talking about the same medical community that had no qualms over ..............
Or that cocaine was an appropriate elixir for mouth pain?

Medical community is smaht. Cocaine is an excellent elixir for mouth pain......says my friend
MACS Offline
#150 Posted:
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Yeah, I'd say my stance is pretty consistent.

Not gon' do it...
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