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Cigarbid requests photo ID for purchase??
Mandobro Offline
#51 Posted:
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dharbolt wrote:
While watching gladiator movies?


What's wrong with gladiator movies?
dharbolt Offline
#52 Posted:
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Mandobro wrote:
What's wrong with gladiator movies?



Think
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#53 Posted:
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Ranger - I posted this to the thread on that other forum:

First off - if the number they asked you to call is 800-830-4590, its not a scam. CBid will never ask you to call any other phone number. Likewise CI will never ask you to call any number other than 888-244-2790.

Allow me to explain what's happened and why we may or may not request a copy of ID. The age verification process involved a third party, Veritad, which scans hundreds of thousands of public records, looking for a match on the name/address/phone number/birthdate or any combination of those four items. If it finds a record that confirms the individual is above the age to purchase tobacco in their home state, they verify and there is no need to contact that individual. However, Veritad has only about a 75 - 80% effectiveness. For the other 20% - 25%, we contact them to get a previous address, which will often be enough to verify. For the remaining unlucky few, we have to request a copy of an ID.

We've had to go to these measures because there is always pending FDA/government regulations that could end up in the demise of internet sale of tobacco products. Most tobacco companies began age verification processes within the past year when there was a very real threat of the FDA becoming involved in tobacco products. By showing the government we could police ourselves and keep tobacco out of little Johnny and Suzies' hands, we hoped to reassure the government that we were responsible in that regard. To this point, its worked. What happens tomorrow is anyone's guess.

CI has been verifying ages for about a year now. CigarBid only began the process a short time ago. The thought was that most 14-year-olds wouldn't have the patience to steal dad's credit card AND wait until the lot closes. But the decision was made to verify ANY customer using this fulfillment facility so CBid had to comply. I can tell you that this process has not only found a few young'ins buying tobacco, but also a few folks attempting identity theft.

You know, its really not much different than having to show your driver's license when you purchase tobacco or alcohol at the local convenience store. We just need it sent to us via email or fax.

Any questions I didn't address, please inbox me!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#54 Posted:
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Posts: 3,172
Mandoman wrote:
Bought ammo from Cabela's several times w/o ID.

But GIGARS!!! they'll kill ya!!!












The difference here is that when you go into the store to purchase something, they can see you. Its like the sign that says, "If you look under the age of 30, we will ask for ID." I guess you don't look under 30 Mando! :)

ZRX1200 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Trish rocks.....
tonygraz Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
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Sounds like big brother is everywhere.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#57 Posted:
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Posts: 3,172
tonygraz wrote:
Sounds like big brother is everywhere.


Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya! - Fox Mulder
grmcooper Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 10-10-2006
Posts: 20,430
That's just ridiculous. First a platinum membership then the forum change and now photo ID on an Internet purchase. I'm glad I don't buy here. I am also selling my platinum membership for half price.

PM me for details.

Mike


Trish don't bother banning me. I'm done here after I sell my membership.
tonygraz Offline
#59 Posted:
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Is the $ 50 Gurkha coupon included ?
tailgater Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Ranger - I posted this to the thread on that other forum:

First off - if the number they asked you to call is 800-830-4590, its not a scam. CBid will never ask you to call any other phone number. Likewise CI will never ask you to call any number other than 888-244-2790.

Allow me to explain what's happened and why we may or may not request a copy of ID. The age verification process involved a third party, Veritad, which scans hundreds of thousands of public records, looking for a match on the name/address/phone number/birthdate or any combination of those four items. If it finds a record that confirms the individual is above the age to purchase tobacco in their home state, they verify and there is no need to contact that individual. However, Veritad has only about a 75 - 80% effectiveness. For the other 20% - 25%, we contact them to get a previous address, which will often be enough to verify. For the remaining unlucky few, we have to request a copy of an ID.

We've had to go to these measures because there is always pending FDA/government regulations that could end up in the demise of internet sale of tobacco products. Most tobacco companies began age verification processes within the past year when there was a very real threat of the FDA becoming involved in tobacco products. By showing the government we could police ourselves and keep tobacco out of little Johnny and Suzies' hands, we hoped to reassure the government that we were responsible in that regard. To this point, its worked. What happens tomorrow is anyone's guess.

CI has been verifying ages for about a year now. CigarBid only began the process a short time ago. The thought was that most 14-year-olds wouldn't have the patience to steal dad's credit card AND wait until the lot closes. But the decision was made to verify ANY customer using this fulfillment facility so CBid had to comply. I can tell you that this process has not only found a few young'ins buying tobacco, but also a few folks attempting identity theft.

You know, its really not much different than having to show your driver's license when you purchase tobacco or alcohol at the local convenience store. We just need it sent to us via email or fax.

Any questions I didn't address, please inbox me!


Trish,
How does emailing a copy of an ID assure anything?
I mean, if the little tyke borrowed daddy's credit card, couldn't he likewise borrow the ID?
madspackler Offline
#61 Posted:
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Simple - CBid's backside would be protected against prosecution by the twenty pieces of paperwork on file. As long as the paperwork is completed properly and every question box has the appropriate answer - no red flags go up and the Seller has completed their due diligence. The Gub'mint only wants completed paperwork.

Locks and alarm systems only keep out the honest criminals. The die hards will always find a way in.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#62 Posted:
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Posts: 3,172
tailgater wrote:
Trish,
How does emailing a copy of an ID assure anything?
I mean, if the little tyke borrowed daddy's credit card, couldn't he likewise borrow the ID?



So what would you suggest we do? Honest question - not asked in any snarky tone. Should we eliminate internet sales entirely? If not that, what? If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it!

I agree with you TG but for the most part, kids lose interest when they're faced with yet another obstacle. As madspackler states, its a matter of CYA. If someone's kid goes though all those hoops to get cigars, or any tobacco product, the issue isn't with the system - its with the individual.

Its why kids give winos a few bucks to buy alcohol. Heck, its why winos hang out outside liquor stores - to make a few bucks getting booze for underage kids. Its why kids steal their parents' cigarettes. Kids have been getting fake IDs for decades since the end of prohibition!

Nothing is foolproof - there will always be a bigger, better fool to find a way.

All we can do is what we can do. So if there is a better method, I want to hear it.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#63 Posted:
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grmcooper wrote:
Trish don't bother banning me. I'm done here after I sell my membership.



If I haven't banned you yet, its not likely I would. You're just cranky. I understand cranky....
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted:
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you could always ban little johnny and suzi.... Mellow
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#65 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
you could always ban little johnny and suzi.... Mellow



if those little azzhats posted, I sure would! whip
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted:
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Laugh
TIGERCDW Offline
#67 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
So what would you suggest we do? Honest question - not asked in any snarky tone. Should we eliminate internet sales entirely? If not that, what? If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it!

I agree with you TG but for the most part, kids lose interest when they're faced with yet another obstacle. As madspackler states, its a matter of CYA. If someone's kid goes though all those hoops to get cigars, or any tobacco product, the issue isn't with the system - its with the individual.

Its why kids give winos a few bucks to buy alcohol. Heck, its why winos hang out outside liquor stores - to make a few bucks getting booze for underage kids. Its why kids steal their parents' cigarettes. Kids have been getting fake IDs for decades since the end of prohibition!

Nothing is foolproof - there will always be a bigger, better fool to find a way.

All we can do is what we can do. So if there is a better method, I want to hear it.



Kick em' in the Ding Ding.

TIGER
ZRX1200 Offline
#68 Posted:
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I get free cigars for sexting Trish selfies.
ZRX1200 Offline
#69 Posted:
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She knows I'd do it for free but she likes making me feel dirty.
Mandoman Offline
#70 Posted:
Joined: 12-27-2005
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Mandoman wrote:
Bought ammo from Cabela's several times w/o ID.

But GIGARS!!! they'll kill ya!!!













TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The difference here is that when you go into the store to purchase something, they can see you. Its like the sign that says, "If you look under the age of 30, we will ask for ID." I guess you don't look under 30 Mando! :)





All online purchases.
dubleuhb Offline
#71 Posted:
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Mandoman wrote:
All online purchases.

Your key stroke is very mature.
KelandReb Offline
#72 Posted:
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Why don't they verify age before the bid! I've got 60 bucks in gars sitting there and no way to verify my age! Jesus H Christ ya gotta know I'm over fifty when I use the term "Gars"
Stogie1020 Offline
#73 Posted:
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At least you searched for an old thread instead of just making a new one.

Advantage Kelan.
ZRX1200 Offline
#74 Posted:
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[email protected]


Send him pics of your teets.
CarsonTheCat Offline
#75 Posted:
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Boy, you're getting off easy with your ID...I had to send them a d¡ck pic, a vial of blood, a lock of hair (pubic, since I'm bald) and the promise of my firstborn, in the event I have children....
LeeBot Offline
#76 Posted:
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From what I have gleaned from reading threads on here for a while: if you PM celticbomber pictures of your junk, he'll pull stings in CS with someone named Trish and tell her that no one is answering the phone or responding to emails, then she will send you free Gurkhas. Or something like that.

You're welcome.
BuckyB93 Offline
#77 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
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I've been in their system for years but haven't bought cigars from them for years either. Just recently started bidding on some nothing fancy, regular stuff cigars (pretty much only thing worth it here now days). I guess the new age verification date thingy kicked in between the time I stopped buying them and now.

I had to send them proof of age before they sent me my winnings about a month ago. You can scan in or e-mail them a picture of your ID (reply to the proof of age e-mail they sent you).

If you don't have access to a valid ID, you can always cut off an appendage and send them a picture of your stump. If it's clear enough, they can count the rings. That's what I did.

Not only did I get my cigars, I also got a state placard to display on the review mirror of my car. It let's me park in the spots closest to the door of public places. The ones with a picture of some handicapped dude painted on the ground. Kinda cool since now I only have one leg. I wasn't blessed enough to be born with a third leg like Frankie Tripod.
BuckyB93 Offline
#78 Posted:
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seventy eight
BuckyB93 Offline
#79 Posted:
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Seventy NINE!!!
frankj1 Offline
#80 Posted:
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I love that you're sick enough to drag my third leg into this.
Please verify that we have met in person.
no photos required, but I'm OK with them.

And for those that doubt my appendage advantage...google my porn debut: Three Tracks in the Snow.

Frankie Tripod
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