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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:09 PM EST
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i am going to have a serious post about the death penalty and the current

problems states are having killing men found guilty, records reviewed and the inability of finding

suitable drugs. cyanide pills given to spies to prevent them from giving away secrets during torture

offer the spy his choice to die for his mission with no pain is a reasonable out, considering the spy's

career choice and that he has to volunteer.


gangsters, choice is a bullet to the back of the head.


no national drama and it's over in seconds.


i'm either against capital punishment or the way we dramatize it.


in the history of capital punishment we probably killed men and women who were totally

innocent of the crime. that makes the country guilty of murder, but we do have in place

legal recourse to prevent an innocent man or women from being put to death and that is in

the final hands of governors like reagen a man of no social graces, remember he "knocked up"

nancy, while still married to his first wife or they had a two or three month premature baby,

and who chose the night that chessman, who by most people's understanding murdered a lot

of people, was put to death, went to the theater with his wife, a shakesperian festival i believe.

then a real serial killer bush jr who never fulfilled his obligation as governor to review all death

penalty cases, never even one and repeated on tv tamiy faye whatever her name was and who

had butchered people with a hand ax, converted to christianity, and begged bush not to execute

her. on tv or radio in a whining tone, please don't kill me, mocking the butcher's ple instead of

keeping it to himself, made it a point to make her look foolish.

who but a complete ass would do that.


now to the real victim, the man, woman, or child murdered, tortured raped, a baseball bat,

crying, screaming, begging until the last violent act lets the real victim die and the pain vanish.


as to the person being executed, who may suffer, F it.

did it concern itself with blood and bones of it's victim and the pain it was inflicting.
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one last thing, are a dress shirt and tie and suit or sport jacket the proper attire for watching

a man die. is tea being served after with finger sandwiches.

i think a tee shirt an some levi's would do just as well
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:16 PM EST
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I am against the Death Penalty...


wheel,
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:19 PM EST
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we should prolly just blow them up with some C4 or somethin.... Mellow
jackconrad Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:30 PM EST
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Death penalty is a tricky thing..that jerk the other day murdered a whole family and i am glad if he suffered.There are cases when the guilt is undeniable what are we supposed to do support them for the rest i f thier lives?
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:33 PM EST
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I am against Rick ranting about Reagan and the Bushes while pretending to be posting about the death penalty.


The President's name is Obama. Get caught up!
gryphonms Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 1:41 PM EST
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Rick, I have to agree with HD, either rant about republicans or talk about the death penalty. It is hard if not impossible to take you seriously when you turn a worthwhile debate into a rant.
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 2:39 PM EST
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It often appears that Uncle Rick doesn't even WANT to be taken seriously.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 3:31 PM EST
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wheelrite

do you think if a woman is convicted she should be hung like a man.
jackconrad Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 3:44 PM EST
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Wheel wishes every woman was hung like a man !
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 3:55 PM EST
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Scared
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 4:01 PM EST
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gryphonms
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my dog can fetch something, pick it up, return to me, sit in front of me and, drop whatever he fetched. and you can't follow two different ideas in the same post.

bow wow, mofo,
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 4:04 PM EST
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Good thing Obama is a mass murderer!
wheelrite Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 4:05 PM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
Wheel wishes every woman was hung like a man !


Bada Bing !!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 11:31 PM EST
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wheelrite

bada bang
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 11:31 PM EST
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wheelrite

bada bang
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 28 2014, 11:40 PM EST
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Uncle Rick, how are you and Toby doing?

Your posting frequency declines and I worry you're either having irregular bowl movements or you don't live us anymore!

To seriously answer your post I am pro death penalty due to inferior options for the truly evil doers. But it does need refined, endless appeals are asinine and the act needs to be quick and fatal. As a hunter I appreciate clean kills. Knock em out with propathol then fade em out with morphine like a hospice patient.

I'm ok with firing squads too. Nothing in this world can't be fixed with a .50 cal bullet to the dome......but in all actuality a silenced pistol with a hallow point slug after the propathol would be perfect.
gryphonms Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 6:57 AM EST
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Rick, your reading comprehension needs improving. But it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Stop deflecting. You bring up a valid question, the usefulness of the death penalty. Then you go off on a rant about Republican presidents. I think if you want to be taken seriously you need to keep your leftist agenda out of your OP'S.
Buckwheat Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 7:25 AM EST
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Just one word that I can offer, Guillotine.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 7:55 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Just one word that I can offer, Guillotine.



Vive le France!
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 8:10 AM EST
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C4.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 8:33 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Just one word that I can offer, Guillotine.


I prefer a V-cut.
gryphonms Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 8:55 AM EST
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Capital punishment has it's place. Serial killers certainly deserve it. Mass murderers as well. Certain murders are so heinous that the murderer deserves the death penalty. I do not know if it is a deterrent, nor do I really care. It is justice and allows the aggrieved families a certain amount of closure.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:02 AM EST
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what if a serial said to himself, ne more will make a dozen, and then I quit, retire to the jungles of Borneo and look for a cure for cancer, and we catch him just before

he boas his p-lane to Borneo. might never find a cure for cancer.

trivia question on the subject of cancer. winchell had a contest for the best .phrase against cancer. a great cigar for the winning answer. and I can send it to you cbid so I don't

know where you live and can't fly in one night and kill them and drink their blood. unle4ss you have a daughter named mary
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:03 AM EST
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Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:06 AM EST
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A serial? Rick replacing adjectives for nouns?

If I find a broad named Mary on her period will you drive up and herf with me?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:06 AM EST
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again no edit available. read last post through a red magnifier..
Abrignac Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:07 AM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Rick, your reading comprehension needs improving. But it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Stop deflecting. You bring up a valid question, the usefulness of the death penalty. Then you go off on a rant about Republican presidents. I think if you want to be taken seriously you need to keep your leftist agenda out of your OP'S.



When you realize that Rick's purpose is not to debate, but to evoke emotions you can then sit back and watch those who have not throw a tizzy. Been there done that.


Hi Rick. Hope all is well.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:09 AM EST
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26. Author: ZRX1200

read #27
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:12 AM EST
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Anthony is a little far away to drive up for a herf Rick.

Should this Mary broad I find be a blonde or a redhead?
gryphonms Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 10:49 AM EST
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Abrignac, you are right.

Rick, hope your enjoying this post. Have s nice day.
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 11:48 AM EST
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I always thought we had a pretty poor grasp of the intent of a criminal justice system. Whether it is for punishment, or for rehabilitation.

If we truly believed as a society that rehabilitation was possible for anyone, then there would be no life sentence, there would be no restrictions on ex-felons owning weapons, or working at certain jobs, or living next to young children.

While I think some can rehabilitate themselves, some people can't be. If someone cannot rehabilitate themselves, then why even support them in the system, there is no longer a place in our society for them. This can be extended to all violent felons (hell, non-violent felonies too, why let the embezzlers get away?) Simple 3 strike system. Very short, 1-5 year punitive punishments for your first 2 felonies of any sort... murder, robbery, rape. 3rd time you're caught you're executed the day of conviction, no appeal.

The biggest problem I see with executing first offenders is that we have proven time and time again that our justice system does make the occasional mistake, especially when it comes to black males being convicted of crimes they didn't do. But if you're on your 3rd felony conviction.... well, it seems likely we got it right at least 1 of the two times before, and you don't appear to be trying to rehabilitate yourself. They no longer have a value to society. Why bother paying for their room and board.
Abrignac Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2014, 12:02 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I always thought we had a pretty poor grasp of the intent of a criminal justice system. Whether it is for punishment, or for rehabilitation.

If we truly believed as a society that rehabilitation was possible for anyone, then there would be no life sentence, there would be no restrictions on ex-felons owning weapons, or working at certain jobs, or living next to young children.

While I think some can rehabilitate themselves, some people can't be. If someone cannot rehabilitate themselves, then why even support them in the system, there is no longer a place in our society for them. This can be extended to all violent felons (hell, non-violent felonies too, why let the embezzlers get away?) Simple 3 strike system. Very short, 1-5 year punitive punishments for your first 2 felonies of any sort... murder, robbery, rape. 3rd time you're caught you're executed the day of conviction, no appeal.

The biggest problem I see with executing first offenders is that we have proven time and time again that our justice system does make the occasional mistake, especially when it comes to black males being convicted of crimes they didn't do. But if you're on your 3rd felony conviction.... well, it seems likely we got it right at least 1 of the two times before, and you don't appear to be trying to rehabilitate yourself. They no longer have a value to society. Why bother paying for their room and board.



One day I'll be retired grasshopper. After which, we can have a REAL discussion.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jul 30 2014, 9:32 PM EST
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Abrignac

does gimbles tell macys?

does one magician tell another?

go on u tube and watch a genius at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMqVWTd8-w
wheelrite Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jul 30 2014, 10:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I always thought we had a pretty poor grasp of the intent of a criminal justice system. Whether it is for punishment, or for rehabilitation.

If we truly believed as a society that rehabilitation was possible for anyone, then there would be no life sentence, there would be no restrictions on ex-felons owning weapons, or working at certain jobs, or living next to young children.

While I think some can rehabilitate themselves, some people can't be. If someone cannot rehabilitate themselves, then why even support them in the system, there is no longer a place in our society for them. This can be extended to all violent felons (hell, non-violent felonies too, why let the embezzlers get away?) Simple 3 strike system. Very short, 1-5 year punitive punishments for your first 2 felonies of any sort... murder, robbery, rape. 3rd time you're caught you're executed the day of conviction, no appeal.

The biggest problem I see with executing first offenders is that we have proven time and time again that our justice system does make the occasional mistake, especially when it comes to black males being convicted of crimes they didn't do. But if you're on your 3rd felony conviction.... well, it seems likely we got it right at least 1 of the two times before, and you don't appear to be trying to rehabilitate yourself. They no longer have a value to society. Why bother paying for their room and board.


verbose and bombastic,,,

btw,

It is cheaper to keep a person in prison for life rather than sentencing them to death and going through yrs of appeals etc..


wheel,,
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jul 30 2014, 10:46 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
verbose and bombastic,,,

btw,

It is cheaper to keep a person in prison for life rather than sentencing them to death and going through yrs of appeals etc..


wheel,,


Notice I specified no appeals.

The point of appeals is to make sure that if there's a chance the person is actually innocent, they aren't executed. My argument is if you're a 3x convicted felon, odds are very high that you did at least one of those crimes. No need for an appeal at that point.
Abrignac Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Jul 31 2014, 4:44 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
verbose and bombastic,,,

wheel,,


Speaking of verbose and bombastic
Buckwheat Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Jul 31 2014, 7:42 AM EST
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I equate our justice system/penal system to drug rehab. We try to rehab people but it doesn't always stick. Both systems are imperfect and neither can change the human condition. If a person is imprisoned and gets out and goes back into the same living conditions that caused them to commit their crimes in the first place then they are more likely to continue to commit crimes. Same thing goes for drug rehab; if you get out of drug rehab and go back to your same life then they will most likely not stay clean. I'm pretty sure that there are statistics that show that prison doesn't rehabilitate or act as a deterrent to most crimes.

8trackdisco Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 3 2014, 5:29 PM EST
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Of the people put to death, how many of them reoffend?

Scoreboard.
Abrignac Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 3 2014, 5:32 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Of the people put to death, how many of them reoffend?

Scoreboard.



You do realize that someone here will argue this point with you?
gryphonms Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Aug 3 2014, 6:05 PM EST
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^LMAO!
fishinguitarman Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Aug 3 2014, 6:11 PM EST
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Death penalty for rabid animals!


PETA might argue that.....
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Aug 3 2014, 6:14 PM EST
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8track obviously hasn't seen child's play.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:02 PM EST
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I believe in the death penalty only because it allows the family of the victims to have closure. If there is any possibility of parole, the families have to relive it at each hearing - like having a bandage ripped off to open the wound again.

Only when the killer is dead and buried and salt is poured on his/her grave, will there be closure for the victim's family.

And don't talk to me about the option of 'life with no parole' because that's a joke too. There's always the option of finding some bleeding heart(s) who can't see the evil living inside to fight for you to get your sentence lessened.

But that's just my take on it....
teedubbya Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:11 PM EST
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The following 21 countries are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out executions in 2012: Afghanistan (14), Bangladesh (1), Belarus (3+), China (2000+), Gambia (9), India (1), Iran (314+), Iraq (129+), Japan (7), North Korea (6+), Pakistan (1), Palestine (6), Republic of China (6), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (6+), South Sudan (5+), Sudan (19+), UAE (1), USA (43), Yemen (28+).[4]
victor809 Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:16 PM EST
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You're telling me we're in 4th place??????
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:18 PM EST
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if you beleive the numbers. Not sure I do. No Russia?
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
if you beleive the numbers. Not sure I do. No Russia?


Russia doesn't believe in capital punishment. Their violent criminals all commit suicide from the shame of the trial. It's a tragedy that they all chose to shoot themselves in the back of the head.
teedubbya Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:24 PM EST
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Countries and territories that retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes

Afghanistan, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Botswana, Chad, China, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cuba, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Malaysia, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Trinidad And Tobago, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United States Of America, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe
victor809 Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:27 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Russia

Huh. I was just joking around. But apparently russia has a moratorium on capital punishment.... and apparently the only previously legal method was shooting.
victor809 Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Aug 4 2014, 1:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Countries and territories that retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes

Afghanistan, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Botswana, Chad, China, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cuba, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Malaysia, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Trinidad And Tobago, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United States Of America, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe


Dammit. And we're still #2 in name length in that list???? WTF Saint Vincent and the Grenadines??? I call bs, that isn't a real country.
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