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fishy1 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2012
Posts: 298
Seems like san Lotano no longer available here on cbid? Haven't seem them here lately?.... First fuente and now these too? ram27bat Anyone seen them around here lately?
spectresquad Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2005
Posts: 1,061
They started as an experiment for AJ fernandez with CI. They now are on Aj's main lineup in 3 sizes. The reviews I read highly recommended them to more experienced cigar smokers as they were powerful.
chazbo Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2007
Posts: 8,159
Seems like the auctions are getting more and more house brandsBrick wall
Abrignac Offline
#4 Posted:
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A few months back I was enjoying an afternoon at the shpo. As it so happens the AJ rep was there trying to sell the owner on stocking the San Lotanos. She balled because they were being sold online below her cost after excise taxes. The rep told her they were addressing that issue because they didn't feel enough were being sold online to justify the number of shpo's unwilling to carry them due to them being deeply discounted. But, who knows.
JGKAMIN Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 05-08-2011
Posts: 1,391
I believe they're done selling the AJs seconds as well, they were selling what they had left in stock and that was it.
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,755
San Lotanos are good smokes....Howzabout a little help here, Trish?
Philly Jack Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 08-31-2012
Posts: 1,791
chazbo wrote:
Seems like the auctions are getting more and more house brandsBrick wall

+1
fishy1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Posts: 298
delta1 wrote:
San Lotanos are good smokes....Howzabout a little help here, Trish?


+2
fishy1 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2012
Posts: 298
chazbo wrote:
Seems like the auctions are getting more and more house brandsBrick wall


Sure looks that way..... Hope it's just temporary.
stogiemonger Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2009
Posts: 4,185
Trish? Staff?





zody Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2005
Posts: 1,149
delta1 wrote:
San Lotanos are good smokes....Howzabout a little help here, Trish?


+3

I got one 5 pack, smoked one so far and it was fantastic. I've been watching for then ever since, nada, niente, kein zilch!! Bring them back please!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-13-2001
Posts: 3,172
San Lotano is one of the brands AJ is restricting with MAP. Sorry guys. Its gone the way of CAO, Fuente, General, Altadis, RP, etc.

The reason you see fewer seconds and overruns is because they don't set out to make them so there's a lag between the time we run out and the time they have enough to make shipping worthwhile.

rfenst Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,112
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
San Lotano is one of the brands AJ is restricting with MAP. Sorry guys. Its gone the way of CAO, Fuente, General, Altadis, RP, etc.

The reason you see fewer seconds and overruns is because they don't set out to make them so there's a lag between the time we run out and the time they have enough to make shipping worthwhile.





What is "MAP"?
Abrignac Offline
#14 Posted:
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Posts: 17,217
rfenst wrote:
What is "MAP"?


Minimum Advertised Price
tonygraz Offline
#15 Posted:
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Posts: 20,178
rfenst wrote:
What is "MAP"?


Stuff on paper that tells you where to go ?
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-13-2001
Posts: 3,172
Abrignac wrote:
Minimum Advertised Price


What he said. Sorry....I've said it so many times I thought everyone knew it. My apologies!!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
I hadn't looked through auctions on here in a very long while but I needed butane, so I just got done going through them... it was a little disappointing... not a lot of great stuff left here, and the stuff I do like to buy is through the roof on their prices...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
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...but I still got my butane here...
QMPASH Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 03-15-2011
Posts: 897
One of these days San Lotanos will be priced out of the range of the average cigar smoker like Cubans and Davidoffs. Shame on you
stogiemonger Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 06-25-2009
Posts: 4,185
^ I'd consider myself to fit that description, well, almost. I may be a bit below average, honestly, but, many good ISOM's are not out of range, Davidoffs are way out of line, price wise.( IMHO)
itsawaldo Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 09-10-2006
Posts: 4,221
There must be a way around around a MAP.
Always an insert in one of the corners to explain, in this case look for a way around....don't sweat losing a brand or two from your shpo, you are a big client. They won't risk losing your business.
We depend on cbid to give us branded product at reasonable prices. Give us what we want not what you want to sell us! Lol.
cacman Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 07-03-2010
Posts: 12,216
QMPASH wrote:
One of these days San Lotanos will be priced out of the range of the average cigar smoker like Cubans and Davidoffs. Shame on you

Freakin noob!
There are already many great CC's that can be had for the same price or less than the price of a San Lotanos.
chazbo Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2007
Posts: 8,159
Advocado Limitada reserve
Though it had some hints of grass and hay, I was hoping for something more creamierd'oh!
This candela would be good in a saladFrying pan
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,755
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
San Lotano is one of the brands AJ is restricting with MAP. Sorry guys. Its gone the way of CAO, Fuente, General, Altadis, RP, etc.

The reason you see fewer seconds and overruns is because they don't set out to make them so there's a lag between the time we run out and the time they have enough to make shipping worthwhile.



TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
What he said. Sorry....I've said it so many times I thought everyone knew it. My apologies!!



Thanks for the info Trish. I'll put "MAP" into the "commonly used acronyms" thread. No worries about fixing the sticky on that and the "Newbies: Please Read" threads...keeping those those two public service announcement topics topped help several of us pad our post counts.
reckless Offline
#25 Posted:
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Posts: 3,852
All my cigars seem to "disappear" after I apply a torch to them Confused
earthson Offline
#26 Posted:
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As time goes on, I see less and less up for bid that I would buy. Guess CBid is now exclusively newbie training grounds? And the lack of quality smokes has driven up the prices on the few good offerings left - I remember when CBid was a place I could get a great deal.

Thankfully this isn't the only place to shop...
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,755
^ careful there, cowboy...you're venturing too close to the line...
wheelrite Offline
#28 Posted:
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Posts: 50,119
earthson wrote:
As time goes on, I see less and less up for bid that I would buy. Guess CBid is now exclusively newbie training grounds? And the lack of quality smokes has driven up the prices on the few good offerings left - I remember when CBid was a place I could get a great deal.

Thankfully this isn't the only place to shop...



Spot on, IMHO


wheel,
99cobra2881 Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 11-19-2013
Posts: 2,472
Seems to me if the San Lotanos were worth the map then people would be paying closer to that for them. They just did a disservice to themselves by saying my cigars are worth x amount of dollars and took their cigars away from here because they weren't selling for enough $$$. Atleast Gurkha knows their product isn't worth their home shopping network inflated price.

There's enough demand here that deals aren't easy to find with fewer cigars to choose from the hunt is not worth the effort. The price people were paying for the cigars is what they are worth. I don't give a damn what the manufacturer thinks they're worth.
QMPASH Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 03-15-2011
Posts: 897
Yeah Cacman; there's always Duque, Raj's Untimely Demise and Free Cuba. I would guess that one of the aforementioned are your "go-to" smokes. Sarcasm
danmdevries Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
Posts: 17,129
wheelrite wrote:
Spot on, IMHO


wheel,


I agree with this statement as it pertains to the line-toeing statement that went before...

Though, cbid did just take a nother couple hunnert of my doll hairs this week. But, it was the first in 3-4 months and saved me maybe a total of $40 over the mothership on the stuff I got, subtract free shipping code and we're at $30 savings. But hey... $30 is $30 I don't care who you are.

Though, those won auctions were for gifts to a family noob. Built him a humidor and ordering up some stuffings. Any extras are for wedding giveaways as I've got 3 sisters getting married in the next 6 months and they all asked me to provide cigars.

Even with my preferences, we're running on slim pickins here.
yankeelawdog Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 09-24-2012
Posts: 44
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
San Lotano is one of the brands AJ is restricting with MAP. Sorry guys. Its gone the way of CAO, Fuente, General, Altadis, RP, etc.

The reason you see fewer seconds and overruns is because they don't set out to make them so there's a lag between the time we run out and the time they have enough to make shipping worthwhile.




I still see some CAOs for bid. Is it "once they're gone, they're gone too??"
yankeelawdog Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 09-24-2012
Posts: 44
earthson wrote:
As time goes on, I see less and less up for bid that I would buy. Guess CBid is now exclusively newbie training grounds? And the lack of quality smokes has driven up the prices on the few good offerings left - I remember when CBid was a place I could get a great deal.

Thankfully this isn't the only place to shop...



Can you say where else to find good deals? I agree with your statement 100%. I've noticed a big difference on what's available and the increase in prices on good sticks.
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted:
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Posts: 17,217
yankeelawdog wrote:
Can you say where else to find good deals? I agree with your statement 100%. I've noticed a big difference on what's available and the increase in prices on good sticks.


No, read the rules.

http://tinyurl.com/kn8r3m3


earthson Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 01-30-2010
Posts: 217
delta1 wrote:
^ careful there, cowboy...you're venturing too close to the line...


Careful, shmareful. I don't know what I said that would be "too close to the line." I'm not giving sources, after all.
yankeelawdog Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 09-24-2012
Posts: 44
earthson wrote:
As time goes on, I see less and less up for bid that I would buy. Guess CBid is now exclusively newbie training grounds? And the lack of quality smokes has driven up the prices on the few good offerings left - I remember when CBid was a place I could get a great deal.

Thankfully this isn't the only place to shop...



I've gotten some terrific bargains here especially on San Lotanos but that's all ancient history now.Boo hoo!
njstone Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 07-17-2008
Posts: 6,456
These AJ sticks were some of the few things I still came here specifically to find. Oh well. As long as the Garcia family isn't the next to jump off, there are still good cigars here.
KingoftheCove Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,604
njstone wrote:
These AJ sticks were some of the few things I still came here specifically to find. Oh well. As long as the Garcia family isn't the next to jump off, there are still good cigars here.

+1
and, if Ramon leaves..........I'm gonna cry...........
time to stock up............
yankeelawdog Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 09-24-2012
Posts: 44
I don't know houses by family names. Can you suggest some brands, especially full bodied, robust ones?
KingoftheCove Offline
#40 Posted:
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yankeelawdog wrote:
I don't know houses by family names. Can you suggest some brands, especially full bodied, robust ones?

Padron 1000 series - maduro
Camacho Corojo - the OLD ones.....some places still have them
LFD - several lines
My Father Le Bijou
Kristoff Ligero Maduro
QMPASH Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 03-15-2011
Posts: 897
cacman wrote:
Freakin noob!
There are already many great CC's that can be had for the same price or less than the price of a San Lotanos.


No, I'm not a "Noob." And, if I was interested in paying the same price of a San Lotano, I think I would stick to a San Lotano. And, if I were to pay less for a cigar, I would expect less. You get what you pay for. For every cigar that you pay less for, "something" is usually missing from the profile. Putting it somewhat differently, if the people who make San Lotano could make the same cigar for less money, don't you think they would do it? It's not exactly a boutique cigar on a par with Padron, Davidoff or many Cubans. Pray
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 06-13-2001
Posts: 3,172
earthson wrote:
As time goes on, I see less and less up for bid that I would buy. Guess CBid is now exclusively newbie training grounds? And the lack of quality smokes has driven up the prices on the few good offerings left - I remember when CBid was a place I could get a great deal.

Thankfully this isn't the only place to shop...


Just saw this today while looking for info for another thread. You can say that but we hear a lot of people telling us its still a great place to get deals. Not all smokers become the elitists you all appear to be. Maybe that's why newcomers to the forum leave; they get tired of hearing all of you denigrate the cigars they like....making them feel inferior.

Remember what so many of you say - smoke what you like and like what you smoke. You guys seem to put a caveat on that.....as long as its more than $X.

As far as what we offer, we're limited by manufacturers and the contracts we make with them. I'm sorry that limits what we can put up here. Believe me, we'd love to have all of those products back on this site.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#43 Posted:
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I don't know what the FOGs are talking about. I wish I had grabbed up a bunch of great deals. There's more to be had. And yes, many of us do become elitist Trish. Our palates become more refined. Smoked a cigar last night that when I first started I would've said, "Not great, but that's a decent stick." Last night I put out the donkey turd after the first third.
Jay9Jay9Jay9 Offline
#44 Posted:
Joined: 09-24-2010
Posts: 151
I have not really shopped here in almost a year mainly due to over-supply, but recently decided to stock up for the winter. To say that there are no good deals or no good cigars is a complete lie. In just the last 2 weeks I scored:

2 Boxes Ramon Bueso Genesis Robusto
1 Box Ramon Bueso Genesis Torpedo
Nica Rustica El Brujito - 5 Cigars
Herrera Esteli Robusto - 5 Cigars
Oliva Serie V Torpedo - 10 Cigars
Headley Grange Dobles - 5-Pack
Four Kicks by Crowned Heads Robusto - 5-Pack

Hard for anybody to argue that those are dog rockets. Average price per cigar = $3.19 including shipping. Try matching that deal anyplace else!
gryphonms Offline
#45 Posted:
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^ agreed.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#46 Posted:
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Posts: 3,172
Puffnstuff79 wrote:
I don't know what the FOGs are talking about. I wish I had grabbed up a bunch of great deals. There's more to be had. And yes, many of us do become elitist Trish. Our palates become more refined. Smoked a cigar last night that when I first started I would've said, "Not great, but that's a decent stick." Last night I put out the donkey turd after the first third.


There was a time when you could get real steals here. That's what these folks are considering 'deals' - they were actually 'steals.' And I admit they're hard to come by any longer. But they are out there. But if you only smoke Cuban cigars or 2 - 3 specific brands or lines of cigars, you're probably going to have more difficulty. So in that sense, the newbie will find far better deals/steals. He's still finding his way.

I get aggravated when its implied that CigarBid decided to remove the cigars that have disappeared. Not true! Why would we remove some of our best sellers? That's crazy talk right there. And to say that its because we're selling them through other channels, well, we always did sell them through other channels. We've now lost a business unit that sells them. How is that good sense?

Oh and by the way, its not Swedish Match - its Scandavian Tobacco. For the record. whip
KingoftheCove Offline
#47 Posted:
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Posts: 7,604
Jay9Jay9Jay9 wrote:
I have not really shopped here in almost a year mainly due to over-supply, but recently decided to stock up for the winter. To say that there are no good deals or no good cigars is a complete lie. In just the last 2 weeks I scored:

2 Boxes Ramon Bueso Genesis Robusto
1 Box Ramon Bueso Genesis Torpedo
Nica Rustica El Brujito - 5 Cigars
Herrera Esteli Robusto - 5 Cigars
Oliva Serie V Torpedo - 10 Cigars
Headley Grange Dobles - 5-Pack
Four Kicks by Crowned Heads Robusto - 5-Pack

Hard for anybody to argue that those are dog rockets. Average price per cigar = $3.19 including shipping. Try matching that deal anyplace else!

not bad..........
DP would have scored it for $2.05/stick though.........

RIP DP
delta1 Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,755
Jay9Jay9Jay9 wrote:
I have not really shopped here in almost a year mainly due to over-supply, but recently decided to stock up for the winter. To say that there are no good deals or no good cigars is a complete lie. In just the last 2 weeks I scored:

2 Boxes Ramon Bueso Genesis Robusto
1 Box Ramon Bueso Genesis Torpedo
Nica Rustica El Brujito - 5 Cigars
Herrera Esteli Robusto - 5 Cigars
Oliva Serie V Torpedo - 10 Cigars
Headley Grange Dobles - 5-Pack
Four Kicks by Crowned Heads Robusto - 5-Pack

Hard for anybody to argue that those are dog rockets. Average price per cigar = $3.19 including shipping. Try matching that deal anyplace else!




Dangit!!!!!shhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

RIP DPNewell
midmofan Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 04-25-2014
Posts: 1,108
Valid points on both sides here. here is my take which most of you wont care about, but its a real slow day...

- Used Cbid off and on for a long time before recently started posting and there ARE cigar snobs on here that drive people away or keep them from posting to begin with. Don't understand that mentality. I like Morton's Steakhouse and also like White Castle. Different meat for different times and places and budgets (insert White Castle "meat" joke here....). My #1 overall preferred cigar right now is a Cuban Monte #2, followed by some other CC's as well. (Used to be an CC H.U Tubo fan - in the old days they were the best for bringing in from Windsor Canada - but perhaps Upmann is pushing too many out right now as I don't think they are as good as used to be). But I like cheap ones as well. In the boat where I'm going to get wet, I will often fire up a Marsh-Wheeling. I keep an emergency sealed pouch of Backwoods in the golf bag (with a great NASCAR lighter I got on the Mothership). All should be welcome here.

-To me the "Steals" on the lower-end sticks that some snobs look down upon are more important for me on Cbid than the higher end ones. Once I start getting much over $6 a cigar, I start thinking, "why don't I either spend just a bit more and get the CC's or save money and get the $3 ones I like?" Finding a $2-3 cigar that I enjoy is wonderful. For me the LPH Purples, Legends yellows, Ramon Bueso's, even some Olivias have all been good fairly inexpensive purchases that I enjoy (although Olivias have been moving up in price I notice) and I even like a FEW of the real cheap deals gotten on a couple of V.S and Grand H samplers or 5-packs - great for Golfing, while grilling or working outside for 50 cents per!!!!

- That being said, there ARE less bargains on higher-end stuff all over than there was at one point and that is a shame. Cbid may have a contract which they can't get around but, if so, that's too bad. I note other sites both discount and auction still have some of the brands that have disappeared here, how can the others do that? Some sites have a minimum starting bid which, while not rock bottom, is still lower than the normal on-line price -- is that how they are doing it?

-The loss of higher-end brand deals is short-sighted. I would not have even tried some brands and blends if I had not been able to get a 5-pack or sampler at a good discount here. Now I like some of them enough that I will buy them to sit alongside the CC's in the Humi and when need to pick up a few at retail from a B&M when out of town, I know what I will enjoy and don't have to worry about spending a lot on something I might dislike. Those sales would never have happened if it had not been for low-low Cbid deals. Cbid and the parent are big enough that they should be able to fix this if they really want to, IMO. Perhaps, however, they are doing so well with the margins on the lower end items that they see no need to try to push the manufacturers harder.

-Trish said something to the effect of "why would we not sell them if we could?" Well, if you make an overall 25% profit on a "low-end" sale and 5% on a "high-end" sale, well, that answers that question. Same reason Walmart sells $4.00 bottles of Australian wine but not $300 bottles of champagne. This would be true especially if your data shows you that you are losing sales from the Mothership on the high-end sales but not from the low end ones when both are on Cbid -- and that, I suspect, is highly likely as many of the high-end people are going to buy from SOMEWHERE. It would not surprise me to find that sales of higher-end cigars on Cbid cannibalize sales of those same cigars on the mothership (and affiliated companies) much more than do sales of lower end ones.

-This IS price-fixing. It may be LEGAL price-fixing, but its still price fixing. One way it could become illegal is if one company controlled almost all of the market, but that could never happen, could it?????? Think

- Even at full-retail, however, a lot of people were clearly not around in the late-80s early 90s. What we were paying for sticks back than was incredible! Retail was often way higher than it is now even when NOT adjusted for inflation. Add in the CPI and its much less expensive today then during the "booms." So some folks should lighten-up and realize we still have it pretty good.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Just saw this today while looking for info for another thread. You can say that but we hear a lot of people telling us its still a great place to get deals. Not all smokers become the elitists you all appear to be. Maybe that's why newcomers to the forum leave; they get tired of hearing all of you denigrate the cigars they like....making them feel inferior.

Remember what so many of you say - smoke what you like and like what you smoke. You guys seem to put a caveat on that.....as long as its more than $X.

As far as what we offer, we're limited by manufacturers and the contracts we make with them. I'm sorry that limits what we can put up here. Believe me, we'd love to have all of those products back on this site.


#1 - those people are inferior

#2 - I didn't say people should smoke what they like... I said they should smoke what I like so that when it comes time to bomb me, I'm not left disappointed... if you're going to quote me trish, at least quote me right... sheesh...
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