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QMPASH Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 7:33 AM EST
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Confused Just compared prices in a CI catalog and their web site and it doesn't make any sense. In the catalog they list the Gurkha Centaurion, Double Perfecto for $150.00 for 12 cigars. Yet, in the Gurkha Gorge-fest, the very same cigar is listed at $39.99 for a pack of 15 (three more cigars.) The same is true for the Gurkha Shaggy. The Shaggy Natural XO (6 x 60) goes for $250 for 25 in the catalog, while the Gurkha Gorge-fest lists the Double Perfecto (6 x 60) for $39.99 for 15. Either this is the greatest deal in the world and CI is selling cigars in the Gorge-Fest for less than their cost or their regular catalog prices are full of you-know-what. What gives???
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#2 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:05 AM EST
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Out-fricking-rageous.
jnichols Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:05 AM EST
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Who cares they are Gurhkas
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#4 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:30 AM EST
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jnichols wrote:
Who cares they are Gurhkas


Some people (like me) like them. Herfing
QMPASH Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:30 AM EST
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jnichols wrote:
Who cares they are Gurhkas


Some people (like me) like them. Herfing
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:31 AM EST
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QMPASH is Bill Clinton..??? Huh
QMPASH Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:34 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
QMPASH is Bill Clinton..??? Huh



Only if Drafterx is Monica Lewinsky!! Sarcasm
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:35 AM EST
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Scared
Bur Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:53 AM EST
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Ah, nothing like starting the week with a Gurkha/CI "Retail Pricing"/DrafterX slander combo thread.

Makes Mondays almost bearable.

Now all that is left to do is top the Newb and acronym threads and the C-A-T Challenge thread.
cacman Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 8:56 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
Confused Just compared prices in a CI catalog and their web site and it doesn't make any sense. In the catalog they list the Gurkha Centaurion, Double Perfecto for $150.00 for 12 cigars. Yet, in the Gurkha Gorge-fest, the very same cigar is listed at $39.99 for a pack of 15 (three more cigars.) The same is true for the Gurkha Shaggy. The Shaggy Natural XO (6 x 60) goes for $250 for 25 in the catalog, while the Gurkha Gorge-fest lists the Double Perfecto (6 x 60) for $39.99 for 15. Either this is the greatest deal in the world and CI is selling cigars in the Gorge-Fest for less than their cost or their regular catalog prices are full of you-know-what. What gives???

Call CI and ask them.
No one here really gives a gurkha!
QMPASH Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 10:44 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Call CI and ask them.
No one here really gives a gurkha!


Don't care? Just consider, if they are doing this with Gurkha, maybe, just maybe they're doing it with other cigars. Maybe one YOU like. I mean, why just Gurkha?

Speak to the hand And I doubt whether CI is the only one doing stuff like this.
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#12 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 10:52 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
Confused Just compared prices in a CI catalog and their web site and it doesn't make any sense. In the catalog they list the Gurkha Centaurion, Double Perfecto for $150.00 for 12 cigars. Yet, in the Gurkha Gorge-fest, the very same cigar is listed at $39.99 for a pack of 15 (three more cigars.) The same is true for the Gurkha Shaggy. The Shaggy Natural XO (6 x 60) goes for $250 for 25 in the catalog, while the Gurkha Gorge-fest lists the Double Perfecto (6 x 60) for $39.99 for 15. Either this is the greatest deal in the world and CI is selling cigars in the Gorge-Fest for less than their cost or their regular catalog prices are full of you-know-what. What gives???



I recommend you purchase the HIGHER priced sticks. I have heard they are the 'REAL' Gurkhas while the cheapos are made my Victor Sinclair!!!!!!!
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gryphonms Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 10:57 AM EST
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Honestly, I see nothing deceptive about this. If someone pays the higher price shame on them for not looking close enough. Kind of like a 2 for 1 sale and only buying 1.
sd72 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 11:11 AM EST
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I'm not finding bundles of what I buy. I'm prolly just paying the higher price. Bastids
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 11:24 AM EST
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Sweden. Not Denmark.

I'm a little amazed that anyone gaf, but really....Gorgefest is supposed to look like a 'Sale'! Wouldn't be much of a sale if the prices were what CI claims MSRP, would it?
Abrignac Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 11:33 AM EST
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jnichols wrote:
Who cares they are Gurhkas



+1,000,000
sd72 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 11:46 AM EST
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Imagine if you will a cigar company with no tobacco fields, factory's, aging rooms, rollers, ect ect. A company that buys unwanted tobacco, pays someone to cobble it together into rare and exotic cigars at crazy high msrps. Said company may even toss in a backpack, knife, or a coffee mug and sell it all to you at 95% off retail on a daily basis, year after year. Prolly would never be able to replicate anything in that business model, but you could rename your product on a weekly basis, something catchy most likely. Maybe even battlesque, or american military.

I wouldn't do business with a company like that. If one were to exist.
rfenst Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 11:52 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
Don't care? Just consider, if they are doing this with Gurkha, maybe, just maybe they're doing it with other cigars. Maybe one YOU like. I mean, why just Gurkha?

Speak to the hand And I doubt whether CI is the only one doing stuff like this.


Just buy them at the lower price and quit complaining. You may have shot yourself in the foot by you o.p.
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 12:56 PM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
Only if Drafterx is Monica Lewinsky!! Sarcasm


Well, his gism is on his blue dres...
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 1:07 PM EST
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I did not have sexual relations with that blue dress.... Not talking Not talking
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I did not have sexual relations with that blue dress.... Not talking Not talking


Not with the blue dress- while you were wearing it.
midmofan Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 15 2014, 5:44 PM EST
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Back to the OP, there is nothing unusual with a company having a different price for their web-store vs, their catalog or (if they have one) their B&M location. Best Buy, for example, has web-only specials all the time.

The reason this is so obvious with Gurks, is that they produce these cigars with ridiculously high MSRP that they NEVER really intend to get, making the difference in the "sale" price humorously obvious.

However, they do need to list them at the MSRP every now and then so that they can claim that the "sale" prices are really "sale" prices. In the U.S. there have been several legal actions against retailers for having things that are ALWAYS on sale, thereby meaning that it is not a true sale, that the "sale" price is really the regular price. So they need to list those Gurks at the "regular" price every now and then either in the catalog or the web site.

It's the same with other specials as well. There is this 10 cigar/humi combo for which I get ads pushed to me all the time. (extra points for not ending the previous sentence with a preposition!) The "list" price is $180 dollars. The "Sale" price is $29.99 (or $39 sometimes depending on the cigars it seems). I can't imagine that they EVER sell one of those packages at the so-called normal price, but they go about every other week with it being $29.99 or $180. I've bought several of these. One as an extra humi for my office, the others for gifts for newer smokers. Been several times I have had to wait a day or two to get the deal, but it always comes back.
QMPASH Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 5:51 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Just buy them at the lower price and quit complaining. You may have shot yourself in the foot by you o.p.


I guess you would give the same advice to Bernie Madoff's "investors" or Enron shareholders. Shame on you
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#24 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 5:56 AM EST
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midmofan wrote:
Back to the OP, there is nothing unusual with a company having a different price for their web-store vs, their catalog or (if they have one) their B&M location. Best Buy, for example, has web-only specials all the time.

The reason this is so obvious with Gurks, is that they produce these cigars with ridiculously high MSRP that they NEVER really intend to get, making the difference in the "sale" price humorously obvious.

However, they do need to list them at the MSRP every now and then so that they can claim that the "sale" prices are really "sale" prices. In the U.S. there have been several legal actions against retailers for having things that are ALWAYS on sale, thereby meaning that it is not a true sale, that the "sale" price is really the regular price. So they need to list those Gurks at the "regular" price every now and then either in the catalog or the web site.

It's the same with other specials as well. There is this 10 cigar/humi combo for which I get ads pushed to me all the time. (extra points for not ending the previous sentence with a preposition!) The "list" price is $180 dollars. The "Sale" price is $29.99 (or $39 sometimes depending on the cigars it seems). I can't imagine that they EVER sell one of those packages at the so-called normal price, but they go about every other week with it being $29.99 or $180. I've bought several of these. One as an extra humi for my office, the others for gifts for newer smokers. Been several times I have had to wait a day or two to get the deal, but it always comes back.


I think you misread or perhaps misunderstood my post. You can find BOTH prices mentioned online. The cigars I mentioned are being sold at two different prices. Either there is something fundamentally "different" between the same cigars listed in two different parts of the website or it is an outright ripoff of people who did not do their homework. Frying pan
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#25 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 6:02 AM EST
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Gorge-fest is a sale that may end at any time where the catalog prices are what they retail for at regular price easy as that.
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#26 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 7:40 AM EST
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Now in all this excitement you have to ask yourself, "Did anyone tell the Sultan?"

Well, did they P-U-N-K???
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#27 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 9:05 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
I think you misread or perhaps misunderstood my post. You can find BOTH prices mentioned online. The cigars I mentioned are being sold at two different prices. Either there is something fundamentally "different" between the same cigars listed in two different parts of the website or it is an outright ripoff of people who did not do their homework. Frying pan



OP was confusing the way you mentioned the catalog, but its still basically the same situation. The one price is the "regular" price they have to make available to make it look like the other specials are actually sales. You can always purchase them at the regular price as long as in stock (although I am sure who ever took your order at the regular price would have to be picked up off the floor). The"fest" price is a "limited" offer that will run out after a certain amount of time or a certain number of sails and you better act now because it will NEVER NEVER NEVER be repeated again.....until the next time..... :)


As much as I hate the way Gurks are priced and marketed, the way the prices are presented is not a "rip-off." Lots of times there are deals that are not available unless someone does their homework. Coupons at Wallgreens all the time, but you have to look for them before you check out. Special prices if you put in a code like "Radio101" when you check out. Was at McDonald's this morning. IF you knew to ask for it, you could get a free coffee, but you had to ask, if you didn't you paid.

Best Buy is great example. They have prices marked right on the shelf, however, if you do a quick scan and its selling for less on Amazon or Wal-mart, they will match it. Heck, if you ask and are nice the salesperson will do a check for you, but if you don't do the check you pay the BB price. Anybody that buys anything at Best Buy without doing a price check is wasting money!
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#28 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 10:10 AM EST
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the real truth is probably a lot closer to the fact that the cockamamie pricing games they play with gurkas has probably become too confusing for any one group of people over there to keep track of, and the result is the left hand does one thing and then the right contradicts it...

bottom line is they just need to make their twenty-five cents back on each gurk they sell and then another six cents for kai han, and then the rest is pure profit...
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#29 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 11:55 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
the real truth is probably a lot closer to the fact that the cockamamie pricing games they play with gurkas has probably become too confusing for any one group of people over there to keep track of, and the result is the left hand does one thing and then the right contradicts it...

bottom line is they just need to make their twenty-five cents back on each gurk they sell and then another six cents for kai han, and then the rest is pure profit...

That's the most sensible explanation I have yet heard. Herfing
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#30 Posted: Tue, Sep 16 2014, 12:15 PM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
I think you misread or perhaps misunderstood my post. You can find BOTH prices mentioned online. The cigars I mentioned are being sold at two different prices. Either there is something fundamentally "different" between the same cigars listed in two different parts of the website or it is an outright ripoff of people who did not do their homework. Frying pan


And with that, the nail has been hit squarely on the head. With the exception of a handful of people here, most feel that is exactly what your beloved cigar brand is. It seems that you don't realize that there is one cigar company who will sell ridiculously over priced cigars any way possible.
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#31 Posted: Wed, Sep 17 2014, 6:30 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
And with that, the nail has been hit squarely on the head. With the exception of a handful of people here, most feel that is exactly what your beloved cigar brand is. It seems that you don't realize that there is one cigar company who will sell ridiculously over priced cigars any way possible.


I think you may be right, at least in a broader sense. I think that there are many, if not most cigar companies who believe in (putting it charitably) not giving the customer his money's worth. I will not name names here but there have been many cigar brands which, upon achieving a high rating in CA or some other recognized authority on cigars, seem to lower their quality and raise their prices, simultaneously. Some companies put out their best efforts in a new release until it begins selling well and then, the same thing happens. Then there is the phony ad copy which has been well-documented in this forum, not to mention phony sales. Noobs are particulary vulnerable to this kind of chicanery. In conclusion; the cigar industry is not doing itself any favors with these practices. horse
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