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Icebyte Offline
#1 Posted:
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Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.
edin508 Offline
#2 Posted:
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*popcorn*
reckless Offline
#3 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.


Think grammer d'oh!
sd72 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Damn, now you have me wondering.
banderl Offline
#5 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.



Wait


What?
Plowboy221 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Think

I heard everything is just gurkha's and seconds rebanded and reboxed.

Sarcasm
gryphonms Offline
#7 Posted:
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Film at 10
robertsccr5 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would Cigars International sell cigars through Cigarbid when the cigars are sold for more money at Cigars International? If this makes any sense.
Are the cigars sold at Cigarbid of a lesser quality, dry, or other issues? I bought Joya De Nicaragua Cabinetta and they were hit and miss.
One should we be wary of Cigarbid. Thank you.


I think I've fixed it up a bit to make more sense...or is it since???
bs_kwaj Offline
#9 Posted:
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CI = retail

cbid = retail + overbid


Beer
8nthatk Offline
#10 Posted:
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well… I thought CI is the check mechanism to price Cbid auctions….

Whistle
stogiemonger Offline
#11 Posted:
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I was here.
stogiemonger Offline
#12 Posted:
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Nice first post.
bs_kwaj Offline
#13 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.


Have you checked your humidor? How long did you let the cigars acclimate? Etc....

Think
Bur Offline
#14 Posted:
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stogiemonger wrote:
Nice first post.


Applause

For fear of getting all Cliff Claven, it's how the Mothership moves extra inventory and gets "turns" on it as well.

It also keeps us entertained with the inevitable overbid threads, drunk underbidding where you win 15 pairs of coffee mugs (hmm, yeah, that was me), and excuses to say:

We love Trish

Don't ban the N00B, Trish

BOMB TRISH!
QMPASH Offline
#15 Posted:
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C-Bid allows CI to dump slow-moving inventory to make room for faster-selling, more profitable items. Then there are the overbidders, as one poster has already pointed out. And, if C-Bid did not exist, CI would have to sell many items below their cost in order to get rid of them. I think they do this already even with C-Bid, because they carry a bunch of cigar lines that only Noobs (or a sadistic/masochistic cigar smoker) would buy. Frying pan
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#16 Posted:
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There's a such thing as CI and CBID? And they're the same? And the operate differently? Information overload!!! I'm shutting down
tonygraz Offline
#17 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.


Be very wary, don't bid on anything unless it goes above the CI price, cause then you know it's good.
ah42266 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 06-18-2013
Posts: 173
Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.


what dus hit or miss meen????
I BOT/WON 2 boxes of de 7"x54 Joya de Nicaragua Cabinetta at 70 buks each. It is just a hi mild smoke wit' a slitely sweet taste, nuttin' mor. I expect yu are comparing them to the box of Cabinetta yu bot from C.I. that was so much better, RITE?
Herfing Sarcasm Frying pan Brick wallhorse
Icebyte Offline
#19 Posted:
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Joya Cabinetta have always had complex flavors and are great. I smoked two from the same order one was good the other bland. Maybe their changing the blend.
TIGERCDW Offline
#20 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Joya Cabinetta have always had complex flavors and are great. I smoked two from the same order one was good the other bland. Maybe their changing the blend.



That's it.

TIGER
earthson Offline
#21 Posted:
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reckless wrote:
Think grammer d'oh!


grammAr
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Icebyte they areally INTERNET cigars, far less desirable than B&M cigars.
ah42266 Offline
#23 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Joya Cabinetta have always had complex flavors and are great. I smoked two from the same order one was good the other bland. Maybe their changing the blend.


that is possible. the ring sizes may also have something to do with it. The thinner Lancero and toro may have more flavor then the 54 ring I have been enjoying. Think
cacman Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 07-03-2010
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.

What??? You mean internet cigars are different than those available at the B&M???

The Cabinetta's a DE product. What else could you expect???
opelmanta1900 Offline
#25 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.


Joya Nig cabinetta? is that Joya de Nigeria?
JadeRose Offline
#26 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Joya Nig cabinetta? is that Joya de Nigeria?







I'm pretty sure Joya Nig Cabinetta is the back up free Safety for the Jaguars.
ZRX1200 Offline
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At least they didn't draft Clinton's Dix
gryphonms Offline
#28 Posted:
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^HaHa
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#29 Posted:
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cacman wrote:


The Cabinetta's a DE product. What else could you expect???


Nope. It's a JdN.

DE might distribute it, but that's about it.
CHRISGERMO Offline
#30 Posted:
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Cbid is absolutely the only way to buy medium-priced cigars for bargain-basement prices, IF you can get them for what you are willing to pay. For me, I will not pay more than $4 per stick EVER, and the average cost of the +1000 sticks in my inventory is around $2.00 per stick.
You're probably thinkin' my "stash ain't nothin' but trash", Steve Miller,, but let me tell you about the order I got delivered from Cbid today for $254:

10 four packs of Punch Bareknuckles for $70
8 AJF 5 packs( Diesel UC, MOW Ruination and Virtue, 5Vegas AAA,and LHC Oscuro Fuerte) for $56
1 Ramon Bueso Genesis Ashtray w/ six 5.5x50 for $16
1 box(20 ct) of Bahia Insignia Torpedos for $28
2 ten packs Toranos for $38

I've found that useful information to the "lesser" participants( like me) often result in responses that are not so usefull. I hope that mine is not in this category.
reckless Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 11-07-2013
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CHRISGERMO wrote:
Cbid is absolutely the only way to buy medium-priced cigars for bargain-basement prices, IF you can get them for what you are willing to pay. For me, I will not pay more than $4 per stick EVER, and the average cost of the +1000 sticks in my inventory is around $2.00 per stick.
You're probably thinkin' my "stash ain't nothin' but trash", Steve Miller,, but let me tell you about the order I got delivered from Cbid today for $254:

10 four packs of Punch Bareknuckles for $70
8 AJF 5 packs( Diesel UC, MOW Ruination and Virtue, 5Vegas AAA,and LHC Oscuro Fuerte) for $56
1 Ramon Bueso Genesis Ashtray w/ six 5.5x50 for $16
1 box(20 ct) of Bahia Insignia Torpedos for $28
2 ten packs Toranos for $38

I've found that useful information to the "lesser" participants( like me) often result in responses that are not so usefull. I hope that mine is not in this category.


You said it not me Whistle
Ram27 Offline
#32 Posted:
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elpache Offline
#33 Posted:
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CHRISGERMO wrote:
Cbid is absolutely the only way to buy medium-priced cigars for bargain-basement prices, IF you can get them for what you are willing to pay. For me, I will not pay more than $4 per stick EVER, and the average cost of the +1000 sticks in my inventory is around $2.00 per stick.
You're probably thinkin' my "stash ain't nothin' but trash", Steve Miller,, but let me tell you about the order I got delivered from Cbid today for $254:

10 four packs of Punch Bareknuckles for $70
8 AJF 5 packs( Diesel UC, MOW Ruination and Virtue, 5Vegas AAA,and LHC Oscuro Fuerte) for $56
1 Ramon Bueso Genesis Ashtray w/ six 5.5x50 for $16
1 box(20 ct) of Bahia Insignia Torpedos for $28
2 ten packs Toranos for $38

I've found that useful information to the "lesser" participants( like me) often result in responses that are not so usefull. I hope that mine is not in this category.


$7 per 5 pack for the AJFs is a great buy. I've gotten the Genesis with ashtray for the same. Seems to be the usual winning bid.
Bur Offline
#34 Posted:
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Stop bidding up the MoWs. Or bomb your local Man o' Whore....me!

No one here will fight you for the 5V AAA though. Over-all consensus is they are very disappointing. We really really tried to like them. Well, at least those of us whose stash ain't nothin' but trash.

cacman Offline
#35 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Nope. It's a JdN.

DE might distribute it, but that's about it.

Same thing IMHO.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#36 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
Same thing IMHO.



I fail to see how one can come to the conclusion that since one company only distributes it, they are somehow responsible for creating it.

If we're talking about the MUWAT, then yeah, the line there is a bit blurry - some percentage of materials from DE, blending by JdN with input by DE, and rolling by JdN. The Cabinetta though, was 100% Dr. Cuenca (the owner of JdN) and JdN. All DE does is ship the boxes for them.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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guilty by association!
Abrignac Offline
#38 Posted:
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CHRISGERMO wrote:
Cbid is absolutely the only way to buy medium-priced cigars for bargain-basement prices, IF you can get them for what you are willing to pay. For me, I will not pay more than $4 per stick EVER, and the average cost of the +1000 sticks in my inventory is around $2.00 per stick.
You're probably thinkin' my "stash ain't nothin' but trash", Steve Miller,, but let me tell you about the order I got delivered from Cbid today for $254:

10 four packs of Punch Bareknuckles for $70
8 AJF 5 packs( Diesel UC, MOW Ruination and Virtue, 5Vegas AAA,and LHC Oscuro Fuerte) for $56
1 Ramon Bueso Genesis Ashtray w/ six 5.5x50 for $16
1 box(20 ct) of Bahia Insignia Torpedos for $28
2 ten packs Toranos for $38

I've found that useful information to the "lesser" participants( like me) often result in responses that are not so usefull. I hope that mine is not in this category.



RTFWP
CHRISGERMO Offline
#39 Posted:
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what does that mean?
dstieger Offline
#40 Posted:
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An old version of this bulletin board program used to offer a button on the 'Reply' screen that said "Return to the forum without posting".

It was a nice little option to use when you started typing something and then thought better of it. You could return to forum without posting what you were 'about to say'.

It saved me from making a lot of snide comments or saying something I might regret -- especially back in the days before there was an edit option.

I think Anthony is likely just saying that he almost said something else, but that he listened to his mother when she said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

jetblasted Offline
#41 Posted:
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Nothing last's forever.
Douglasmhines Offline
#42 Posted:
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This is some really funny stuff to read through. As to the posst asking why would they sell through differing channels, everyone has covered it .... Good way to dump slow inventory + gives knuckleheads the ability to over bid lol

Was bidding on some CI legends copper boxes, and was shocked that so many people would bid above CI normal pricing. But, there are always the slow folks that feed the profit margins of companies.

:-) :-) :-)
Danno114 Offline
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In for answers
pdxstogieman Offline
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You've all overlooked the 3rd interweb cigar outlet run by the same folks. Discuss whatever conspiracy theory makes you happy. The deal is this. Make it look like you're running different competing businesses and capture the adhd folks who are attracted to whatever web site format and colors their subliminal ID draws them to.

It takes damned little to set up and run different web sites when you already have the warehouse and other infrastructure to support all of those websites from one back end operation.

Hell, if I was the swedes, I'd set up another 5 or 10.
99cobra2881 Offline
#45 Posted:
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I just thought all cigars came from Bethlehem Pa??? Lol

CI is so you can check prices on something before bidding way too much here. Least that's what I use it for. Then I still **** up and put my max bid in the bid column! Dammit... :)
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#46 Posted:
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Icebyte wrote:
Why would CI sell cigars thru Cbid when they can get more at CI, if this makes any since.
Are cigars sold at Cbid of a lesser quality, dry or other issues. I bot Joya Nig Cabinetta and the were hit and miss.
Should we be wary of Cbid. Thank you.



Since these knuckleheads are bent on confusing the issue, I'll help out. Bur has it correct. Back in the day, Cbid was created to capture the people who wanted to get better bargains. Since CI was just starting out, they needed more of an outlet to sell cigars. The more you purchase, the bigger the discount many manufacturers and distributors provided. So we had these two companies.

As Bur stated, by having multiple companies, we have more 'turns' - selling all of the product so we can purchase more. This is not a dumping ground for less than desirable product although it does help with slower moving inventory. ALL product is kept in the same humidor, a 370,00 cubic foot room, filled ceiling to floor and door to door with cigars.

As for hit-or-miss product, if it had a chance to sit in our humidor for a while after it arrived on the boat/truck from the producing country, it would be more settled than the product that is sold as soon as it hits our inventory. This is why we ask everyone to allow the cigars to rest in their humidor for a time before smoking. Stuff that is good ROTT probably sat in our humidor for a week or more before we shipped it to you. If it was dry, most likely it did not.

As for multiple companies, each one IS different and has a different demographic and business model. Not unlike Sam's vs Walmart; The Gap vs Old Navy, etc. I'm sure there are others but those 2 come to mind immediately.

I'm so glad you all missed me while I was gone. whip
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#47 Posted:
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pdxstogieman wrote:
You've all overlooked the 3rd interweb cigar outlet run by the same folks. Discuss whatever conspiracy theory makes you happy. The deal is this. Make it look like you're running different competing businesses and capture the adhd folks who are attracted to whatever web site format and colors their subliminal ID draws them to.

It takes damned little to set up and run different web sites when you already have the warehouse and other infrastructure to support all of those websites from one back end operation.

Hell, if I was the swedes, I'd set up another 5 or 10.


Where do I start with this?

First off....its the Danes. We are NOT owned by Swedes any longer. Please try to keep up! :)

Second, they ARE different companies. Different demographics, different business models.

Third, while it appears the websites run similarly, they are in fact, different. Some of the companies have different requirements which are not offered on other sites.

Last - we are NOT owned by the Swedes! Yes, I'm aware I said it twice. I've said it multiple times in the past and it never seems to stick. I thought I say it twice here so that maybe, just maybe, it would stick this time! :)
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted:
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I missed you Trish..... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#49 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I missed you Trish..... Mellow



true......



And you guys will always be Swedes to us. Danes are harder to make fun of. There's no good Danish jokes or caricatures. I'd be 95 out of a 100 Americans couldn't find Denmark on a map of Europe, much less a globe. Without Sweden, we wouldn't have the Swedish Meatballs, Swedish Chef, (as good of) quality blond porn.....and bonus of IKEA and ABBA to ridicule.
Denmark is.........IDK....home to 'something rotten'?

And if you're not Swedish, then wth are we supposed to call Sven????? Steve? THAT doesn't work.
Bur Offline
#50 Posted:
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Since these knuckleheads are bent on confusing the issue, I'll help out. Bur has it correct. Back in the day......

I'm so glad you all missed me while I was gone. whip


Yes, we missed you!

And can I please get upgraded to "Full Billy Beer Can" membership for correctly applying my mad MBA the Navy paid for skills?

horse

Danes, Swedes, Amish-they all actually work for you, right?
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