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chazbo Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, May 16 2015, 5:32 PM EST
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Looks like Pa. Is trying to increase cigar tax by 40%d'oh!
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, May 16 2015, 7:26 PM EST
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CBID looking to close shpo?
danmdevries Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, May 16 2015, 8:35 PM EST
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Give all cigar business to Florida.
tonygraz Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, May 16 2015, 9:50 PM EST
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Would the tax apply to out of state sales ?
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, May 17 2015, 7:17 AM EST
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^unless they write an ammendum to include it this should be the responsibility of they buyer. I'm no lawyer but this is what I understand
TIGERCDW Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, May 17 2015, 12:34 PM EST
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Gov.Wolf is going to kill us in PA with this tax. CI/CBID will just tack it onto our bills. Hell we have to pay sales tax also since CI/CBID is located in PA.

They even tax us on the shipping fee.

TIGER
cacman Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, May 17 2015, 12:48 PM EST
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chazbo wrote:
Looks like Pa. Is trying to increase cigar tax by 40%d'oh!

Same as the CO tax.
Ironically MMJ is only 15%, and recreational is 25%. Both cheaper than tobacco LOL!

It's the Liberal's war against anything they think is bad for you.
rfenst Online
#8 Posted: Sun, May 17 2015, 1:30 PM EST
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Florida does not have tobacco cigar tax.
jespear Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 2:35 PM EST
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chazbo wrote:
Looks like Pa. Is trying to increase cigar tax by 40%d'oh!


FWIW . . .I've already contacted the Gov's office and my State Rep .
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 2:51 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Florida does not have tobacco cigar tax.



I keep on telling them that...plus we have no state income taxes either!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 4:39 PM EST
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The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 4:40 PM EST
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I'd liquidate at pennies on the dollar to avoid that tax.... just sayin... Mellow
tamapatom Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 7:06 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'd liquidate at pennies on the dollar to avoid that tax.... just sayin... Mellow

A pretax blowout sale....this could be really big!! And if you want to come to Florida, the mayor of Tampa will give you the cigar key to the City. He has been on TV smoking a cigar with Eric Newman. WE HAVE SOME BIG EMPTY CIGAR FACTORIES FOR SALE.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 8:35 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I keep on telling them that...plus we have no state income taxes either!


And yet the state runs so well
tamapatom Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 8:57 PM EST
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As long as we can snipe jobs and gain increased property values from other states, especially cold and dreary ones, we will do just fine.

States that are run well are scary anyway.
tonygraz Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, May 18 2015, 9:25 PM EST
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Not as scary as living just above sea level.
Buddha Daddy Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 2:58 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Florida does not have tobacco cigar tax.


Neither does Cuba.................................yet.
tamapatom Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 7:32 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Not as scary as living just above sea level.

Better fishing down here. Scared of sea level? I can think of worse
rfenst Online
#19 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 11:18 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.


They will bE grandfathered.
tamapatom Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 12:07 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
They will bE grandfathered.

Will grandfathered sticks sell for less after the tax or do prices go up across the board? An interesting business choice.
midmofan Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 12:34 PM EST
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Good article

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/03/pennsylvania_budget_2015_tom_w_2.html
J.Redleg Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 12:45 PM EST
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And that is why a major competitor that shares my handle's initials has B&Ms around the country, but all internet and catalog sales are out of NC where there is no Cigar tax. I wonder if the staff of CI/CBid are ready to relocate?
dstieger Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 12:47 PM EST
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tamapatom wrote:
Will grandfathered sticks sell for less after the tax or do prices go up across the board? An interesting business choice.


Of course they go up after. Ever try to maintain two inventories of same line item at two different prices? Recipe for the most incredible frustration.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, May 19 2015, 1:23 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
They will bE grandfathered.


Not from what I've heard
Stinkdyr Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 6:58 AM EST
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Just another gubment out to destroy wealth...the best way they know how.

The welfare state destroys all.

Enjoy your socialism!

Beer
DrMaddVibe Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 7:57 AM EST
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Puffnstuff79 wrote:
And yet the state runs so well



We loves us some tourists!

Come on down...stay awhile...then LEAVE!


We have crazy news...hurricanes...old people...and bugs...lots and lots of bugs...alligators too!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 7:58 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.



That's just hoarding at that point!
cacman Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 10:57 AM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Just another gubment out to destroy wealth...the best way they know how.

The welfare state destroys all.

Enjoy your socialism!


Pennsylvania is not a State. It's technically a Commonwealth. It's also why they get away with some absurd taxes.

The 1% Sales Tax in Allegheny County to cover the Johnstown flood, that happened over 100yrs ago and in a completely different County, is one.

The Business Privilege Tax is another. A Tax on businesses just for the privilege of operating a business?!?! I always called it the "paying Uncle Guido" tax.

So much for a "government based on the common consent of the people"!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 5:42 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
They will bE grandfathered.


That's not how our lawyers are seeing it. And no, they're not cigar smokers.
0824 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, May 21 2015, 8:47 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
...... And no, they're not cigar smokers.


Well, that's your problem right there.

You need a bunch of cigar loving lawyers to fight for a cigar-related business.
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#31 Posted: Thu, Jun 4 2015, 1:20 PM EST
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I'll be forced to buy from those lame-ass retailers down South!ram27batram27bat ram27bat ram27bat
kegsandeggs Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 12:52 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Pennsylvania is not a State. It's technically a Commonwealth. It's also why they get away with some absurd taxes.

The 1% Sales Tax in Allegheny County to cover the Johnstown flood, that happened over 100yrs ago and in a completely different County, is one.

The Business Privilege Tax is another. A Tax on businesses just for the privilege of operating a business?!?! I always called it the "paying Uncle Guido" tax.

So much for a "government based on the common consent of the people"!




I'm pretty sure the extra 1% sales tax is from the 3 rivers stadium but they added a tax to gas a really long time ago for the johnston flood.
cacman Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 1:23 AM EST
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kegsandeggs wrote:
I'm pretty sure the extra 1% sales tax is from the 3 rivers stadium but they added a tax to gas a really long time ago for the johnston flood.

The additional 1% Sales Tax in Allegheny County has been in effect long before 3 Rivers was imploded. The 2 new stadiums they jammed down everyone's throatwas a separate, additional tax hike, especially to City residents.
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#34 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 6:09 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.

Wow - not good, especially if they make it a POS tax or some other way to not grandfather anything...
fenderbendertex Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 6:16 AM EST
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You could move the whole operation to Texas- just saying...
madspackler Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 8:00 AM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.


Ran into a similar situation a few years back in Connecticut. They taxed all of the unsold finished goods the manufacturer had at their plant. Almost put them out of business. Since that day the manufacturer ships all finished product to another out of state warehouse twice a week to avoid paying the tax on unsold goods. Its crazy and double taxation because the states collects sales tax on the goods when they are sold as well, but only for the point of sale state.

If the tax proposal goes through as you describe, I could easily see the CI folks packing up and leaving PA for a more favorable tax climate.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 8:36 AM EST
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You can move to my house. VA taxes aren't too bad
rfenst Online
#38 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 9:07 AM EST
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Puffnstuff79 wrote:
You can move to my house. VA taxes aren't too bad


Not good. There are some states that have $0 cigar tax!
tonygraz Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jun 5 2015, 11:40 AM EST
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fenderbendertex wrote:
You could move the whole operation to Texas- just saying...


Kinky
QMPASH Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Jun 6 2015, 7:16 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Would the tax apply to out of state sales ?


Technically, you are responsible for all state sales tax on items bought out of state. What that means is that, if they catch you buying out of state and not paying the state tax, they can, not only make you pay it, but tack on fines and penalties as well. In a particularly egregious case, they might even add jail time. Some states have "reciprocal agreements." That means that you had better pay the tax. In most cases however, it is unenforceable. That does not mean that they won't devise some means of finding out, in the future, who buys what, where. Brick wall
fenderbendertex Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 10:09 AM EST
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In addition to all this mess, does anyone know where the proposed national legislation stands yet?
Mr. Jones Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 12:51 PM EST
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Gov. Tom Wolf is a SHEEP IN A WOLVES SKIN...

That guy looks like a goofy bearded introvert
but he is a scheme-ing TAX INCREASING
NIGHTMARE....

CORBET was an under the table bribe taker...so as long as he got his cash deposited at Dubois First National Bank basement vault safety deposit boxes
he left everybody pretty much alone....tax wise...
he did raise the gas tax to pay for highway rebuilding
but it is graduated and hits everybody...

this Wolf guy wants to "single out " certian industries and products and friggin start taxing non taxable items at 100%-600% increases , what a moron.
zerohourhero Offline
#43 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 1:13 PM EST
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This budget addendum was defeated on June 1st, doesn't mean it wont come up again (It will), but it's been knocked down for a moment.
Bur Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 2:45 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
The bigger issue (if you can imagine that) is the tax on the product already in our warehouse.

Yikes! 60 million cigars would make a hefty tax, I'm sure.


I heard Platinum Members will be assessed a one time fee they should be easily able to afford due to their consistent drunk overbidding. One less purchase each=warehouse cigar tax paid.

And if a few sent in their platinum and diamond chipped membership cards? Opportunity for a few of us to finally move up to those hallowed ranks.

Pray
Mr. Jones Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 5:05 PM EST
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i have spent so much at CBID
OVER the last 6 months ...

I SHOULD GET FREE SHIPPING...

THESE .50 ( BIPTY CENT) PER TINY ITEMS
"ADD ON " HANDLING FEES ARE KILLIN' ME...
BUY 6 LIGHTERS , & SOME CUTTERS, & other small items ..ETC...AND MY
SHIPPING BILLS ARE $15-25 BUCKS...and
I pay that friggin ' .06% PA SALES TAX TO BOOT..
BUT I'M LESS THAN 100 MILES AWAY FROM BETHLEHEM...
"CUT ME A HUSK" ON SHIPPING....
PAAAAA-LEEEEEAAAASE...
Philly Jack Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 5:55 PM EST
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Yeah they should just go to a flat rate like some other people
Philly Jack Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 5:56 PM EST
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I won 15 cutters at $1 a piece and the shipping as much as I spent on the cutters
Bur Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 6:53 PM EST
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Philly Jack wrote:
I won 15 cutters at $1 a piece and the shipping as much as I spent on the cutters


bwahahaha sounds like my Gurkha mug drunk underbid! d'oh!
QMPASH Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 6:36 AM EST
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How about this one? I ordered a box of Cuba Libre Coronas early in the week from the mothership. I then ordered another box on Thursday, knowing that is the day they usually ship orders out. My thinking was that I would get two different shipments a week apart and I wouldn't get any "heat" from the missus (ok, I am a *****!) I got both orders THE SAME DAY (Saturday) in TWO DIFFERENT BOXES, for which I paid TWO different shipping charges. Now, how hard would it be to put both shipments in one box? I wouldn't have minded the extra shipping normally (OK, maybe I would have) but, since I got them both the same day, I still got "scooped" out by the wife, defeating my original purpose.

Cursing
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#50 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 8:57 AM EST
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Philly Jack wrote:
Yeah they should just go to a flat rate like some other people

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