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C-Bid "Shipping Charges" are getting way too HIGH $$^^
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,421
I've been here 10+ years and it seems C-bid
has figured a way to "off set" losses thru
shipping charges .....lately.

Don't get me wrong, I still love this site....
but...
"cut me a husk"...
i dont live in Alaska...for god sakes.

Just won 5 or 6 bundles, maybe 8? lighters,
2 cans of propane, 6? cutters, 2 samplers...

i live less than 100 miles away...

shipping charges
totaled $25.95

^^^that is way to high

plus I got charged .06% tax on my shipping...

that same order from "some other places"
multiple states away would be
a FLAT $10-15 BUCKS
OR maybe EVEN FREE ??
& w/ NO TAX

any other PA residents feeling this new increase?
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
prolly the cans of propane.... Mellow
99cobra2881 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 11-19-2013
Posts: 2,472
Did you call cbid customer service or just come in here right away to rant and bitch like a 1st post noop would?
tonygraz Online
#4 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,247
Mr. Jones - you have to read the shipping charges on items before you bid. Imagine your surprise at the shipping charge if you bought one of the furniture humidors. Sure was nice on my last purchase to pay under $ 4 shipping for 2 boxes at another place.

It would be nice to have a maximum shipping price for C-bid tho based on order amount.
Philly Jack Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 08-31-2012
Posts: 1,791
The Can's have to go ground but it don't matter as it never even leaves PA. Yeah I'm down by Philly and the shipping is nuts I wone 15 cutters at $1 and the shipping was $15 for just the lighters after it was all added up I was pissed. Yeah shipping is expensive here no doubt about it.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
If I was within a hundred miles I'd just go get my order... good highway/cigar time.. Herfing
Damarie@Cigarbid Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 08-08-2011
Posts: 115
Mr. Jones wrote:
I've been here 10+ years and it seems C-bid
has figured a way to "off set" losses thru
shipping charges .....lately.

Don't get me wrong, I still love this site....
but...
"cut me a husk"...
i dont live in Alaska...for god sakes.

Just won 5 or 6 bundles, maybe 8? lighters,
2 cans of propane, 6? cutters, 2 samplers...

i live less than 100 miles away...

shipping charges
totaled $25.95

^^^that is way to high

plus I got charged .06% tax on my shipping...

that same order from "some other places"
multiple states away would be
a FLAT $10-15 BUCKS
OR maybe EVEN FREE ??
& w/ NO TAX

any other PA residents feeling this new increase?



Mr. Jones,

I understand your concern. Unfortunately, shipping is taxable for PA deliveries:

https://revenue-pa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/214/~/are-shipping-and%2For-handling-charges-subject-to-sales-tax%3F

We have raised our shipping costs 2 times in the past 15 years. When you buy stuff at retail that specific company can offer flat rate shipping and not take a loss. Unfortunately, when it comes to a bidding site like ours, we take the risk of losing money when the auctions start out at $1. By no means do we make money off of shipping charges. Do you expect us to lose money on product and shipping? If so, CBID would be a thing of the past and we would not be having this conversation.

kegsandeggs Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-06-2014
Posts: 36
Shipping charges are a bit high. I just under bid to make up for the shipping cost.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
Just throw in some matches and he'll feel better.... ThumpUp
madspackler Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 03-07-2000
Posts: 3,608
DrafterX wrote:
Just throw in some matches and he'll feel better.... ThumpUp

Matches ship just like propane cans - separately and slowly. It's the law after someone loaded oxygen canisters into a commercial aircraft. Flamed out in the Everglades a few years back.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
You guys PAY for shipping?

MWAHAHAHAHA.....kiss the ring.
tamapatom Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 03-19-2015
Posts: 7,381
ZRX1200 wrote:
You guys PAY for shipping?

MWAHAHAHAHA.....kiss the ring.
platinum ring?
ShanaC@CigarBid Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 09-22-2010
Posts: 1,090
tamapatom wrote:
platinum ring?



Great!

We will have calls about that next...

Kiss my ring, I got the powers that be heeee heeee heeee

Spanking
99cobra2881 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 11-19-2013
Posts: 2,472
ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:
Great!

We will have calls about that next...

Kiss my ring, I got the powers that be heeee heeee heeee

Spanking



You don't already get those calls? Think
Philly Jack Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 08-31-2012
Posts: 1,791
Don't worry this may not be here next year if the big brands keep going to MAP on there cigars the cigars that keep the lights lit and phones ringing not the everyday smokes that CI produces.
jetblasted Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
The Rent is Too Damn High !!

https://creationsciencestudy.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-rent.jpg?w=474
tonygraz Online
#17 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,247
Just wondering where those rings are.
QMPASH Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 03-15-2011
Posts: 897
Cry Baby Cry Relax!!!
Mr. Jones Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,421
^^^#15 phillysack

what is MAP ???
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
tamapatom wrote:
platinum ring?


o-ring.
elRopo Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
If you are holding cigars in your warehouse you are losing money. By selling here you either make money or cut your losses. Either way its a win for CI/ C-Bid. I wouldn't say shipping is TOO high....yet.
tonygraz Online
#22 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,247
Mr. Jones wrote:
^^^#15 phillysack

what is MAP ???



The thing you use to not get lost.
cvstrat Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 06-08-2015
Posts: 16
elRopo wrote:
If you are holding cigars in your warehouse you are losing money. By selling here you either make money or cut your losses. Either way its a win for CI/ C-Bid. I wouldn't say shipping is TOO high....yet.



That's a bit of an oversimplification.

There's an economical concept known as profit maximization. It's a combination of the correct price and quantity produced which provides the biggest gap between revenue and cost (biggest profit). What may surprise people is that you can actually raise profits in some cases by lowering output and/or price.

There are a lot of reasons why a manufacturer would sit on inventory, even if the value of said inventory was dropping like a rock.


It's obvious that the shipping charges are marked up beyond cost. Because many of the costs are fixed and/or the variable labor expense is minimal, the incremental cost in packing and shipping an additional item in the same box is close to zero. Adding a lighter or cutter to a few 5-packs? The extra dollar you pay on shipping is almost entirely profit. It's a great approach, because humans are inclined to keep buying once the big up front shipping cost is charged (after the first weekly auction is won).

There's a thing called price discrimination. It's not what you think :P It's a technique of offering the same product at different prices in order to get the most money possible from different demographics. It happens at a small level all the time, like grocery stores charge higher prices in rich neighborhoods, and lower prices in poor places. The idea is that they want to charge the maximum their customers are willing and able to pay. Negotiating each sale is the highest form of price discrimination and the best way to maximize profit. Auction sites are a variation of that. If my max price for a 5-er of tatuajes is 14 and yours is 25, C-Bid will eventually get to sell to both of us at that price, and to everyone else at their max price in between.


As time moves on and wholesale prices go up, and labor costs go up, utilities go up, rent, etc, and our maximum price stays the same, the profit margin for C-Bid will shrink. Because the price is driven by the consumer, they can't do what the local tobacconists do and simply raise prices. They can try to alter the volume of items for bid to manipulate price (i.e. only have a hot item on free fall or quick buy)or try to get the suckers to overbid on garbage, but ultimately that's not really going to be enough. They're going to have to continue to raise shipping costs as they are the only item over which they have traditional retailer-like control. So raise fixed prices where you can to offset the fact that people don't adjust for inflation when bidding on cigars.

As long as we are able to still save money overall by using C-Bid, the shipping prices will not drop, because we will still pay them. My spidey sense tells me shipping costs here will only continue to rise, it's sort of the natural order of things.


TLDR: Your bids are not accounting for inflation, so shipping has to.
tonygraz Online
#24 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,247
The cost of shipping went up when the price of motor fuel went up. When the price of motor fuel dropped the cost remained the same.
elRopo Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
cvstrat wrote:
That's a bit of an oversimplification.

There's an economical concept known as profit maximization. It's a combination of the correct price and quantity produced which provides the biggest gap between revenue and cost (biggest profit). What may surprise people is that you can actually raise profits in some cases by lowering output and/or price.

There are a lot of reasons why a manufacturer would sit on inventory, even if the value of said inventory was dropping like a rock.


It's obvious that the shipping charges are marked up beyond cost. Because many of the costs are fixed and/or the variable labor expense is minimal, the incremental cost in packing and shipping an additional item in the same box is close to zero. Adding a lighter or cutter to a few 5-packs? The extra dollar you pay on shipping is almost entirely profit. It's a great approach, because humans are inclined to keep buying once the big up front shipping cost is charged (after the first weekly auction is won).

There's a thing called price discrimination. It's not what you think :P It's a technique of offering the same product at different prices in order to get the most money possible from different demographics. It happens at a small level all the time, like grocery stores charge higher prices in rich neighborhoods, and lower prices in poor places. The idea is that they want to charge the maximum their customers are willing and able to pay. Negotiating each sale is the highest form of price discrimination and the best way to maximize profit. Auction sites are a variation of that. If my max price for a 5-er of tatuajes is 14 and yours is 25, C-Bid will eventually get to sell to both of us at that price, and to everyone else at their max price in between.


As time moves on and wholesale prices go up, and labor costs go up, utilities go up, rent, etc, and our maximum price stays the same, the profit margin for C-Bid will shrink. Because the price is driven by the consumer, they can't do what the local tobacconists do and simply raise prices. They can try to alter the volume of items for bid to manipulate price (i.e. only have a hot item on free fall or quick buy)or try to get the suckers to overbid on garbage, but ultimately that's not really going to be enough. They're going to have to continue to raise shipping costs as they are the only item over which they have traditional retailer-like control. So raise fixed prices where you can to offset the fact that people don't adjust for inflation when bidding on cigars.

As long as we are able to still save money overall by using C-Bid, the shipping prices will not drop, because we will still pay them. My spidey sense tells me shipping costs here will only continue to rise, it's sort of the natural order of things.


TLDR: Your bids are not accounting for inflation, so shipping has to.

I'll stick to my own assesment, yours is too constipated Angel
t33bone Offline
#26 Posted:
Joined: 10-25-2007
Posts: 27,374
Mr. Jones wrote:
I've been here 10+ years and it seems C-bid
has figured a way to "off set" losses thru
shipping charges .....lately.

Don't get me wrong, I still love this site....
but...
"cut me a husk"...
i dont live in Alaska...for god sakes.

Just won 5 or 6 bundles, maybe 8? lighters,
2 cans of propane, 6? cutters, 2 samplers...

i live less than 100 miles away...

shipping charges
totaled $25.95

^^^that is way to high

plus I got charged .06% tax on my shipping...

that same order from "some other places"
multiple states away would be
a FLAT $10-15 BUCKS
OR maybe EVEN FREE ??
& w/ NO TAX

any other PA residents feeling this new increase?

if you don't like, shpo somewhere else. ijs

then you'll appreciate cbid prices for shipping.
Ram27 Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 04-30-2005
Posts: 49,014
¿

M-Manufactors

A-Authorized

P-Pricing ¿


fenderbendertex Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 08-17-2013
Posts: 1,139
t33bone wrote:
if you don't like, shpo somewhere else. ijs

then you'll appreciate cbid prices for shipping.

Yep - absolutely -you ought to see the prices at the B&M's closest to me - but then again, isn't that how we all got here?

Ashing a tat right now that I got for the same price as a "Cuban Delight" at my B&M
fenderbendertex Offline
#29 Posted:
Joined: 08-17-2013
Posts: 1,139
ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:
Great!

We will have calls about that next...

Kiss my ring, I got the powers that be heeee heeee heeee

Spanking

Kissing the ring so everyone in PA will hit the troops!
Abrignac Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,273
cvstrat wrote:
That's a bit of an oversimplification.

There's an economical concept known as profit maximization. It's a combination of the correct price and quantity produced which provides the biggest gap between revenue and cost (biggest profit). What may surprise people is that you can actually raise profits in some cases by lowering output and/or price.

There are a lot of reasons why a manufacturer would sit on inventory, even if the value of said inventory was dropping like a rock.


It's obvious that the shipping charges are marked up beyond cost. Because many of the costs are fixed and/or the variable labor expense is minimal, the incremental cost in packing and shipping an additional item in the same box is close to zero. Adding a lighter or cutter to a few 5-packs? The extra dollar you pay on shipping is almost entirely profit. It's a great approach, because humans are inclined to keep buying once the big up front shipping cost is charged (after the first weekly auction is won).

There's a thing called price discrimination. It's not what you think :P It's a technique of offering the same product at different prices in order to get the most money possible from different demographics. It happens at a small level all the time, like grocery stores charge higher prices in rich neighborhoods, and lower prices in poor places. The idea is that they want to charge the maximum their customers are willing and able to pay. Negotiating each sale is the highest form of price discrimination and the best way to maximize profit. Auction sites are a variation of that. If my max price for a 5-er of tatuajes is 14 and yours is 25, C-Bid will eventually get to sell to both of us at that price, and to everyone else at their max price in between.


As time moves on and wholesale prices go up, and labor costs go up, utilities go up, rent, etc, and our maximum price stays the same, the profit margin for C-Bid will shrink. Because the price is driven by the consumer, they can't do what the local tobacconists do and simply raise prices. They can try to alter the volume of items for bid to manipulate price (i.e. only have a hot item on free fall or quick buy)or try to get the suckers to overbid on garbage, but ultimately that's not really going to be enough. They're going to have to continue to raise shipping costs as they are the only item over which they have traditional retailer-like control. So raise fixed prices where you can to offset the fact that people don't adjust for inflation when bidding on cigars.

As long as we are able to still save money overall by using C-Bid, the shipping prices will not drop, because we will still pay them. My spidey sense tells me shipping costs here will only continue to rise, it's sort of the natural order of things.


TLDR: Your bids are not accounting for inflation, so shipping has to.


Lost me at "That's"
Damarie@Cigarbid Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 08-08-2011
Posts: 115
Abrignac wrote:
Lost me at "That's"



For realThink
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,548
Abrignac is illegitimate... Mellow
watchurai Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 09-17-2008
Posts: 9,289
DrafterX wrote:
Abrignac is illegitimate... Mellow



Dang. I assumed since he posted here he knew how to read... Think Think
Speyside Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Cliff notes, Cbid needs to make money or they would go out of business which would be bad for all of us.
watchurai Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 09-17-2008
Posts: 9,289
Speyside wrote:
Cliff notes, Cbid needs to make money or they would go out of business which would be bad for all of us.


Shhhhh....the conspiracy theorists are "thinking"...Shhh
hc1984 Offline
#36 Posted:
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Posts: 17
Shush Speyside otherwise I wouldn't be getting deals for all of my Tats!!
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