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Why all the excitement about "boutique" brands?
Wunky Offline
#1 Posted:
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Warped, Caldwell, Illusione, etc... Everyone seems to be going gaga for small brands and limited releases. I've had a couple and I'd have to say every single one has been good. Good, but not $10-15 a stick good.

What's the draw?

Another problem I see for small batches and limited releases is: suppose you absolutely love em. Too bad cause it's a limited release. It's gonna be gone shortly.

Plus, CI seems to call CAO, Gurkha, 5 Vegas and Rocky Patel boutique brands too??

http://www.cigarsinterna...ticle/4/boutique-brands

I don't understand.
tonygraz Offline
#2 Posted:
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You shouldn't have mentioned Gurkha.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted:
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It's called marketing.

Many folks got tired of Atladis/General cigars offerings and have moved to brands like Tatuaje, DPG, Illusione, Viaje, Drew Estates. Now many others have joined the fray as the little guy can make it big, and little guys don't generally have the $$$ to START as a giant.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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And there's a reason seasoned cigar smokers tend to stick with a core rotation.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#5 Posted:
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Hello, and welcome to 2005.
99cobra2881 Offline
#6 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And there's a reason seasoned cigar smokers tend to stick with a core rotation.


I am starting to see this in my preferences. Smoked lots of singles found my favorites, buying boxes more and more these days. Smoking up my random singles just to make room for my favorite likes.

Still have more cigars I want to try but don't we all?
rrumba Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 12-28-2013
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99cobra2881 wrote:
I have had to Smoke lots of crappy singles found my favorites, can't buy boxes anymore these days. Smoking up my random crappy singles and have LOTS OF room for my favorite likes.

Still I have to mooch more cigars I want to try but don't have cuz I am so low



Well isn't that interesting 99 cobra. Let me see how many fogs noobs I can get to help you out like we did for blueboy.....

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euodias Offline
#8 Posted:
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1) There is no set definition of of 'boutique' in the cigar world. Anyone can claim it

2) If it isn't worth $10 to you, don't buy it. Its either worth $10 to them or they are hoping to flip it for more on the secondary market.

3) Every cigar is a limited release, regardless of how its marketed. Once the tobacco from that vintage, from that farm, is gone, it will never to totally reproduced. Next year's harvest might be better, worse, or pretty darn close, but its never identical. A manufacturer might roll for years from the same harvest, but it all runs out eventually. No one knows exactly when Rocky Patel ran out of the original tobacco for his Vintage 1992, but anyone could tell you that what is being rolled today is nothing like what was first sold. At least with a limited release, you'll know when its gone, rather than going to your shpo one day, buying a box, and finding that what you bought it nothing like the cigars you used to smoke.
QMPASH Offline
#9 Posted:
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"BOUTIQUE," at least as CI interprets it, is a rather loose interpretation. Certainly, most cigar enthusiasts would not list Gurkha or 5 Vegas as "Boutique" brands. On the other hand, brands such as Padron are boutique brands and advertise heavily, so they don't exactly fit the profile CI sets up. "limited" release is an often misused label in many cases. It is often used as an excuse to jack up the price on an otherwise ordinary cigar or to make an expensive cigar, even more expensive. And, some "limited release" cigars never seem to sell out. The reason for that (obviously) is that they are not limited release cigars by any stretch of the imagination. As far as Illusione is concerned, I consider them one of the best non-Cuban cigars on the market and they should be even more expensive than they already are. I gave one to a friend and he thought I had given him a Cuban.
tonygraz Offline
#10 Posted:
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Be suspicious of what is said about any cigar. I bought and smoked some overruns about 4 years ago and they are still making and selling them. As # 8 pointed out, all cigar runs are limited (except for the aforementioned overrun). It seems that every great cigar run is followed by an inferior run of the same name, or at least I can't remember the new cigars of a brand ever being touted as better (tho it seems there must be some).
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted:
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My Broad buys her panties at a Boutique..


wheel,,
bgz Offline
#12 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
My Broad buys her panties at a Boutique..


wheel,,


So after she wears them all day is that when it becomes a boutique blend?
TheSmokensip Offline
#13 Posted:
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I smoke boutique cigars because they make me feel important.
tamapatom Offline
#14 Posted:
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TheSmokensip wrote:
I smoke boutique cigars because they make me feel impotent.

Too bad. Sorry bout that.
TheSmokensip Offline
#15 Posted:
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tamapatom wrote:
Too bad. Sorry bout that.


lol..nice
mdalbert86 Offline
#16 Posted:
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I work in a Tobacco Shop in Havertown, Pa on the weekends and we stock a lot of "boutique brands". From what I can gather, a "boutique brand" is either a small company, one that has limited distribution, or a company that prides itself on creativity. At least, they market themselves that way. Other industries do the same, such as beer and whisk(e)y. We perceive Tatuaje to be a solid, popular brand. That's true. But I'm willing to bet we'd say the same about Sam Adams, a company which is still considered a "micro-brew".

Another comparison between the industries is price: a Tatuaje Black will run you $10 (if the store is following Keystone Pricing). A dram of Knob Creek will run you approximately the same while a pint of Sam Adams will cost $4-7 depending on where you go. I think the idea here is that you can charge more if you have a more limited product (hence limited editions and all these other "short runs" etc). Finally, that limited aspect allows these companies to be more creative. While Tatuaje, La Pluma, Evil Genius may get their tobaccos from major farms (My Father, Plasencia etc), but due to the comparatively short numbers of cigars they produce compared to General/Altadis, they can experiment more and make an interesting product; they don't necessarily have to worry about putting out a basic cigar that everyone will enjoy, they can focus on a niche because such a market exists. There's nothing wrong with a $7 Romeo y Julietta just like there's nothing too awful about a Miller Light or Jack Daniel's, but if I can grab a Tatuaje Capa Especial for $9, then I'm fine with that.

** You mentioned Caldwell; popular Dominican brand with an above average price. But not all boutique's are expensive. For example, look into La Pluma. It's an excellent boutique brand, small in scale (pretty sure the owner is the only employee) and huge on flavor. Price tag average for their three lines (Origin of Species, Rights of Man, and Principia) run $7-$9. Don't forget that your average cigar price is ~ $8.

** Rocky is notorious for changing their blends and marketing them as the same. One of our lounge members smoked the Rocky Edge Sumatra exclusively. Then Rocky changed the blend because the tobacco changed (again). I'd much rather have a company tell me "The tobacco's gone from that vintage and we can't replicate it, so that's why that label disappeared" then have one say "Yea, it's the same...kind of."

As always, price is not synonymous with quality or flavor in this industry. Smoke what you like. Don't know exactly which boutique to pick out? Talk to a store employee or listen into the conversations in the lounge at a shop.
Philly Jack Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 08-31-2012
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Caldwell found a cash of old Camacho cigars and have rebranded renamed and relabled them to be catchy hipster names like Butter or Pepper and cream soda or bingo.

BTW The place mdalbert86 said with out saying a competitors name is a great place in Delco to get cigars and relax and some them too.,
dstieger Offline
#18 Posted:
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what?

Pretty bad ad copy even for CI. Where's Sven?

QMP, I have trouble with Padron having that label, too.


Wunk, we all have to decide for ourselves how much we want to spend and what we're willing to 'settle' for. Boutique means nothing...except maybe 'smaller than the big guys'....however you want to define them
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