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Thanks and FUDA
TMCTLT Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
A few things that come with the new FDA scrutiny...some just unbelievable!!!!

Yesterday the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) ‘Deeming Rule’ went into effect. There are already reports of Tobacoonists across the country being FINED! What does this mean for our business and for you our customers?

A prohibition on free samples is effective August 8, 2016. You are not permitted to distribute free samples at fundraisers, charity events, in-store events, etc. The sampling ban also applies to legislator gifts. IPCPR's best practice: A transaction must take place. Keep a paper trail.
CIGAR DAN workaround.....WE will now charge .01 cent for all FREE CIGARS given to any Charity including our Cigars For the Troops. Hey if I send an invoice for .25 cents to Iraq and the recipient does'nt pay me....what can I say....I charged him!

Minimum age and identification requirements are effective August 8, 2016. Verify by means of photographic identification containing the bearer’s date of birth that your customer is 18 or over. You must card everyone under the age of 27. If your business is in a state that has a stricter age limit, the state requirement still applies. IPCPR's best practice: Card everyone, even regular customers. This is the one that people are getting busted on! Sorry but we have to ask to see ID unless you are an old fart like me! However we have contacted our REWARD CARD Vendor and are attempting to get Rewards Cards that will have your picture and your Birthdate on them!

As of August 8, you are no longer permitted to distribute free samples and must practice extreme diligence with age verification. The FDA will be closely monitoring retailers' compliance with the rule, so we strongly recommend that you follow our best practices. Provisions of the rule are being implemented incrementally. This is a tough one too! Ok at events when we give you FREE Cigars....They won't be FREE anymore! I'm gonna have to charge you .01 cents each! Damned I hope you don't get upset and take your business elsewhere!

As you can see we fully intend to abide by all the wonderful laws that Washington continues to impose on us! Think twice when you vote this year....If you want more of the same...You know who to vote for! If you want a chance that Washington gets off our asses, then like they say in Euchre....make hearts Trump!



We DON'T need to know who you are or if your here legally to participate in OUR elections....We don't care if your already dead......but please don't mind if we card you to purchase a F*CKING CIGAR!!!!!!

ram27bat
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,535
but what if they can't afford an I.D..?? Huh
Sharty Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2016
Posts: 41
Pappers plez
Dgrissam3 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 07-28-2014
Posts: 7
Isn't it ridiculous? It is not okay to require people to have an ID to vote, but by god don't let people get away with possibly smoking a cigar who are under 18. It is Evvvvilll!!!
What is even funnier is that people who join the military at 17 can't buy a cigar or a smoke due to "health risk" but can go die in some ****-hole country.

How ironic....or moronic I should say. Absolute joke...

Smoke on brothers and sisters!
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,535
It is ridiculous..!! Thanks Obama..!! Mad
Ong Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2016
Posts: 75
Possibly an ignorant question - trades are exempt correct? Or shall we all send out a penny during our trades?
sd72 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 03-09-2011
Posts: 9,600
Just send a bill for $.01. And wait.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,582
What's FUDA?
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,535
I think it's cheese... Mellow
sd72 Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 03-09-2011
Posts: 9,600
Smoked FUDA is excellent on a charcuterie plate
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
ZRX1200 wrote:
What's FUDA?



Short for FU FDA....it's less repetitious....fog
dharbolt Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 08-03-2013
Posts: 6,931
sd72 wrote:
Smoked FUDA is excellent on a charcuterie plate



Yes it is. On pizza as well
shaun341 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 08-02-2012
Posts: 8,826
Personally I don't see how getting carded or being charged $.01 for the event specials instead of free is that big a deal. The other aspects of it are what bothers me. How they chose 2007 as the year for which cigars are to be passed through this new regulation process is beyond me and will be putting a lot of the cigars I smoke out of commission or beyond the price point in which I would want to pay (luckily I have been stocking up on these cigars since I heard the news of this new regulation). I do think there should be some sort of regulation which may put me in the minority here or in all cigar groups but how they are going about doing it is solely to gain tax revenue and not for the betterment of the cigar makers or smokers.
danmdevries Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
Posts: 17,314
ZRX1200 wrote:
What's FUDA?


It's what you do to your camping "guests" F Up DA Azz
Herfosaurus Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 08-29-2012
Posts: 89
In my favorite shpo, it's common practice to card like crazy. I don't know about other states, but NY often send undercovers to tobacco shops to make sure they are complying with age requirements. That said, I can't see how anyone would necessarily know if someone was under 27 to card them.

It'll be a pain for reps to charge a nominal fee to give out samples tho shpo staff, but they will do it. Same will go for event specials ... instead of buy 3, get one free it'll be buy 3, get one for a penny.

The big problem with the FDA rules is that as it stands now, smaller manufacturers won't be able to eat the expense of getting their post-2007 product through the approval process. One existing line, with 7 vitolas, could cost $50k or more in FDA fees. That's probably not a big deal for General or Altadis, but a lot of small-batch or private-label stuff will go away.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
a path will be found.
Mr. Jones Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,419
Sounds like a
BOAT LOAD OF B.S.
TO ME...
WHAT A BUNCH OF BUSY BODIES...
MORE JOBS FOR BUREAUCRATS!!!

Christ, all the paperwork will be a nightmare and JUNIOR JOHNNY G-men on daily per diems
Pulling down $85K will be on the road busting
Cigar shops...
275+ nights at hotels ...averaging $125 a night...
$75- 100 food and gas per diems x 275 days..

Those f#cks will get drunk every night starting
At 8 pm and hunt for strange GASH at all the cigar events w/ Hot female reps. Or the hostess's in low cut tops serving the cigar guys at the events...

I SEE MUCHO OPPORTUNITY FOR
SHPO owner "SHAKEDOWNS, BRIBES AND GRAFT"....

Again...
What a crock of sheee-ite!!!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Mr. Jones wrote:
Sounds like a
BOAT LOAD OF B.S.
TO ME...
WHAT A BUNCH OF BUSY BODIES...
MORE JOBS FOR BUREAUCRATS!!!

Christ, all the paperwork will be a nightmare and JUNIOR JOHNNY G-men on daily per diems
Pulling down $85K will be on the road busting
Cigar shops...
275+ nights at hotels ...averaging $125 a night...
$75- 100 food and gas per diems x 275 days..

Those f#cks will get drunk every night starting
At 8 pm and hunt for strange GASH at all the cigar events w/ Hot female reps. Or the hostess's in low cut tops serving the cigar guys at the events...

I SEE MUCHO OPPORTUNITY FOR
SHPO owner "SHAKEDOWNS, BRIBES AND GRAFT"....

Again...
What a crock of sheee-ite!!!



You sound jealous.
tonygraz Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,230
Job applications will be flowing in.
TMCTLT Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
Herfosaurus wrote:
In my favorite shpo, it's common practice to card like crazy. I don't know about other states, but NY often send undercovers to tobacco shops to make sure they are complying with age requirements. That said, I can't see how anyone would necessarily know if someone was under 27 to card them.

It'll be a pain for reps to charge a nominal fee to give out samples tho shpo staff, but they will do it. Same will go for event specials ... instead of buy 3, get one free it'll be buy 3, get one for a penny.

The big problem with the FDA rules is that as it stands now, smaller manufacturers won't be able to eat the expense of getting their post-2007 product through the approval process. One existing line, with 7 vitolas, could cost $50k or more in FDA fees. That's probably not a big deal for General or Altadis, but a lot of small-batch or private-label stuff will go away.



This is no doubt why we've seen many smaller companies already sell out to the Big Dogs rather than simply go under....under the weight of the new FUDA rules n regs.
TMCTLT Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
tonygraz wrote:
Job applications will be flowing in.






That's one F'd up way to go about job creation...but then that's what government does every time they get involved in ANYTHING....they just F things up for the most part
KingoftheCove Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,631
tonygraz wrote:
Job applications will be flowing in.

Ha!
If there is such a job in the future, you're probably correct.
And the the "type" of person that takes that job, and possibly likes it, for whatever reasons?

eh...........makes me think of RAM's bat.......
cgbgjr Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 08-18-2004
Posts: 997
Whenever I am asked for proof of age I just point to the bald spot on the top of my head--guaranteed to crack up the cashier. :-)
ajerrils Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 07-27-2016
Posts: 179
Might explain why there are so many overbids lately.
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