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La Aurora Preferidos #2 Equador
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KingoftheCove Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 9:31 PM EST
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A while back I won some of these. Let them sit a few months, smoked them and liked them a lot, enough to grab another 10 pack to bury for a long nap.
Just fired up one of those after an 18 month nap.........they don't like a long nap apparently.
First inch was forgettable........second half was just barely Ok.........yard gar. Lesson learned.
So, smoke em if ya got em.
euodias Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 9 2016, 10:53 PM EST
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Think

Those are usually aged at least a couple years in the factory before being sent off to distributors. Surprising that a few more months would cause them to fall off since they are blended to age.
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#3 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 12:13 AM EST
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euodias wrote:
Think

Those are usually aged at least a couple years in the factory before being sent off to distributors. Surprising that a few more months would cause them to fall off since they are blended to age.

Don't know......it's only one out of the 10 pack....maybe a bad one?
When I smoked the first 10 pack - they had maybe 3 months on them, and they were great. I bought the second 10 pack shortly thereafter and put them down for 18 months. So that's a bit longer than "a few more months".

Still, wasn't nearly as good as the first........heck........could simply be a totally different crop or a bad stick (although draw and burn were perfect.) or any number of other factors.
Smoked a Tat that was resting in the same Fuente box as those Equadors in my cooler.....in fact......the Tats (Reserva Petite) came in the same order, so they too are 18 months old, and the Tat was really good....................so it's not a storage issue.

Eh, I'll smoke another two before casting a final judgement.
euodias Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 1:04 AM EST
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Preferidos boxes come with a little tag with the date they were rolled and the date they were boxed. Usually about two years apart, so a box is usually at least 2 and half years old when you get it. Kinda cool that they give you that much info. They are supposed to have some legs.

Could have just been a bad one

Could have been a different crop

c-bid has some big warehouses. I've gotten 5ers of DPG blacks from different years in the same order. You could tell because they all had different bands. Given that they seen to do a lot of volume on the perferidos, I guess your two 10ers could be years part for all we know.
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#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 9:16 AM EST
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euodias wrote:
Preferidos boxes come with a little tag with the date they were rolled and the date they were boxed. Usually about two years apart, so a box is usually at least 2 and half years old when you get it. Kinda cool that they give you that much info. They are supposed to have some legs.

Could have just been a bad one

Could have been a different crop

c-bid has some big warehouses. I've gotten 5ers of DPG blacks from different years in the same order. You could tell because they all had different bands. Given that they seen to do a lot of volume on the perferidos, I guess your two 10ers could be years part for all we know.

d'oh!
Guess I'm still a noob...
All these years here, and it just now hits me on the head, why people often spend MORE (per cigar) for boxes than us cheap azzes who buy 5s and 10s.
With a box, you're getting 20 cigars from the "same batch".........at least you hope so.
If you buy 4 fivers??? You never know.......typically no dates or anything.........like you said, they could be from totally different time periods.

I may have to rethink my purchasing habits for certain cigars.
euodias Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Sep 10 2016, 11:57 PM EST
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To be fair, the preferidos are probably one of the best documented cigars I have run across. Buying a box of most cigars with a long production run off c-bid (or any place that deals with a lot of volume) can be just as much of a dice roll if there is no date recorded anywhere. Probably recent, but you never know if they will send you a box that was found in some dusty corner somewhere. I've mostly been pleased when it happens, but I like those older aged cigars. I don't blame you if you find them too mild.
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 8:43 AM EST
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I had a similar problem with them. Bought a fiver and smoked one after a month. It was very good. Smoked the second at about one year, meh a yard gar. Smoked the third at about 2 years. It was very good. I wonder if certain cigars go through a dumb period like wine does.
KingoftheCove Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 11:22 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I had a similar problem with them. Bought a fiver and smoked one after a month. It was very good. Smoked the second at about one year, meh a yard gar. Smoked the third at about 2 years. It was very good. I wonder if certain cigars go through a dumb period like wine does.

Thanks for that you azzhat!
Now I'm gonna have to sit on those for ANOTHER year!
They had my mooching BIL's name all over them.......but nooooo........Speyside has me hoping they will return to being good.........have to give da mooch something else.
d'oh!
KingoftheCove Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 11:26 AM EST
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Seriously though, if you read what Euodias says, they're already well aged..........they likely aren't going through a sick period.
But, maybe your fiver came from different harvests....
Speyside Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 11:46 AM EST
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LOL! My work is done!
cameroon Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Sep 12 2016, 10:03 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
d'oh!
Guess I'm still a noob...
All these years here, and it just now hits me on the head, why people often spend MORE (per cigar) for boxes than us cheap azzes who buy 5s and 10s.
With a box, you're getting 20 cigars from the "same batch".........at least you hope so.
If you buy 4 fivers??? You never know.......typically no dates or anything.........like you said, they could be from totally different time periods.

I may have to rethink my purchasing habits for certain cigars.


Not to threadjack, but you've hit on something that has bothered me for a long time. For the longest time, when getting a fiver, it was easy to mentally picture one of the happy internet elves merrily going down a long corridor in the warehouse with my order in hand, and plucking 5 from a nice fresh box, and plopping in a new bag, just for me.

Now I'm not so sure. At all. I've gotten several 5-ers that seemed prepackaged - and seemed to have aged considerably while sitting in that packaging. Other times I've gotten 5-ers that just did not seem to resemble each other very much in some inexpressible way -- subtle differences in color, band appearance, wetness (big one) -- such that I doubted very much they came from the same box or even the same year.

So -- alright, I admit, now it is definitely a threadjack -- but is anyone here definitively aware of the precise mechanics and logistics of how 5-ers are assembled?

May move to new topic depending on response.
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Sep 12 2016, 10:27 AM EST
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Members get shpo 5vers, non members get Internet cigars.

That's how it works.
KingoftheCove Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Sep 12 2016, 11:06 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Members get shpo 5vers, non members get Internet cigars.

That's how it works.

Say it ain't so!!!!

I had similar delusions to Cameroon..............but now?..................a somewhat disturbing picture comes to mind, filled with boxes of bulk cigars not deemed box worthy by the manufacturer, that are "packaged" into 5's and 10's.

Anxious
euodias Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Sep 13 2016, 4:48 PM EST
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Its not unheard of for manufacturers to sell cigars to b&m shops in bundles for them to refill displays with. Saves money on packaging. I know for a fact fuente has done it for their Opus X. I wouldn't be surprised if some also sell shops pre-packed 5ers.

I've never toured the facilities, but if I had to guess, the people listing the auctions just look at the total stock on hand on a spreadsheet and list things for sale accordingly. It then falls to some poor stock boy to fill the order by going through the piles of boxes, partial boxes, prepacked 5ers and singles to find the right number of cigars. Most of the time they will pull everything from the same box, because why not? Its the easiest thing to do. But every now and then I'm sure they have to make a 10er out the last couple of cigars from 5 different boxes.

I'm sure they do stock rotation like any other warehouse and send the oldest stuff first, but its not like cigars have expiration dates like a bottle of milk does. If the find an old box they just send it out and move on. With most manufacturers not even marking dates on their boxes, I'm sure most of those old boxes are received without anyone even noticing the age.
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#15 Posted: Tue, Sep 13 2016, 5:09 PM EST
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euodias wrote:
Its not unheard of for manufacturers to sell cigars to b&m shops in bundles for them to refill displays with. Saves money on packaging. I know for a fact fuente has done it for their Opus X. I wouldn't be surprised if some also sell shops pre-packed 5ers.

I've never toured the facilities, but if I had to guess, the people listing the auctions just look at the total stock on hand on a spreadsheet and list things for sale accordingly. It then falls to some poor stock boy to fill the order by going through the piles of boxes, partial boxes, prepacked 5ers and singles to find the right number of cigars. Most of the time they will pull everything from the same box, because why not? Its the easiest thing to do. But every now and then I'm sure they have to make a 10er out the last couple of cigars from 5 different boxes.

I'm sure they do stock rotation like any other warehouse and send the oldest stuff first, but its not like cigars have expiration dates like a bottle of milk does. If the find an old box they just send it out and move on. With most manufacturers not even marking dates on their boxes, I'm sure most of those old boxes are received without anyone even noticing the age.



Probably close to this but I have seen the pictures of the wharehouse on here the stock is in and it would be very easy to not always grab from the same box and when I say box I don't mean open box from the cigar manufacturer I mean carboard box that probably has 50 boxes inside of it. The cigars on here don't come from their B&M stores they come from a wharehouse that looks to be the size of an airplane hangar full to the top with cardboard boxes
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#16 Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2016, 2:08 PM EST
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Smoked another last night while watering the yard...............eh...............decent yard gar for which I over-paid.............that is my final verdict.
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