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Voter fraud
Speyside Offline
#201 Posted:
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I do see a real problem here. The federal government imposing it's will over a states rights.
teedubbya Offline
#202 Posted:
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And I hope you stay focused on it.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#203 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Simple answer, yes or no. At least Z is providing some context. Z I said in this day and age. I don't think Chicago could happen today. But I understand the argument that it could. I'm just not willing to worry about the possibility.

So laws should only be made about things that you're worried about?
DrafterX Offline
#204 Posted:
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that's that non-issue thing again... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#205 Posted:
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As long as ONE vote could conceivably be fraudulent we should spare no time or expense working on the issue. I'm all for 100% focus on the subject and since cbid is a mutually exclusive world we should not focus on anything else..... I'm for it!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#206 Posted:
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right... yes it has been an issue, yes it could be an issue, but since I'm not worried about it being an issue this time everyone in favor of voter ID laws is wrong...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#207 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
As long as ONE vote could conceivably be fraudulent we should spare no time or expense working on the issue. I'm all for 100% focus on the subject and since cbid is a mutually exclusive world we should not focus on anything else..... I'm for it!


who's pushing for sparing no time or expense? Who's calling for 100% focus? I've just heard a lot of people saying they don't want voter ID laws struck down...

I mean, the amount of people who won't be able to vote because of the laws isn't going to effect the final outcome of the election, so it really shouldn't be an issue...
teedubbya Offline
#208 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
who's pushing for sparing no time or expense? Who's calling for 100% focus? I've just heard a lot of people saying they don't want voter ID laws struck down...

I mean, the amount of people who won't be able to vote because of the laws isn't going to effect the final outcome of the election, so it really shouldn't be an issue...




I AM!
ZRX1200 Offline
#209 Posted:
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Voter fraud is rampant in the northwest, so a big FU to those who don't see it.

Issues.......like voting for someone who's proven their power is for sale?
teedubbya Offline
#210 Posted:
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I'm all for not letting anyone in the NW vote in national elections.
ZRX1200 Offline
#211 Posted:
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Never effects national elections.

It's state and local
frankj1 Offline
#212 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I hope none of the laws change so folks will continue to focus on this rather than real issues.

wish I had just said that hours ago!

Trump ain't talking baby talk about closing loopholes just in case some day this might become a real issue, he is claiming gigantic problems now and only angry people can prevent this rigged election (that hasn't happened yet) from being rigged.

Big difference.
teedubbya Offline
#213 Posted:
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I heard after the rigged election he is going to market Trump doll.... eh I mean action figures and the kung fu grip will be sideways for maximum kitty kat grabbing


banderl Offline
#214 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard after the rigged election he is going to market Trump doll.... eh I mean action figures and the kung fu grip will be sideways for maximum kitty kat grabbing





Will the crying towels be an expensive accessory?
MACS Offline
#215 Posted:
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Maybe it changes the outcome of the election, maybe it doesn't. DMV and I have both posted videos showing it is a bigger problem than many here will admit.
MACS Offline
#216 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Will the crying towels be an expensive accessory?


Not if the dems win... they'll be free.
DrafterX Offline
#217 Posted:
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Laugh
DrafterX Offline
#218 Posted:
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but then of course there will be towel tax on the middle class... Mellow
banderl Offline
#219 Posted:
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I heard that they'll be part of their parting gift bag.
Going to need them in the FEMA reeducation camps.
tailgater Offline
#220 Posted:
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It's easy to see who would benefit from potential fraud.
Just read this thread and see how strongly the left want to stop a very simple solution.


Mr. Jones Offline
#221 Posted:
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This whole post is a joke.

WHAT KIND OF MORON WOULD RISK A BIG-TIME FELONY CONVICTION TO VOTE MORE THAN ONCE?

Even if your a BUM and homeless...
$50 bucks or $100 bucks is not worth
A FELONY stint in "the BIG HUT"...

Get real....

I'd be willing to bet....
That the actual number of illegal double or triple
Voters is W.A.Y. less than 50K votes over the entire nation...
And that is SO infantismal as to not sway any national election.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#222 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
This whole post is a joke.

WHAT KIND OF MORON WOULD RISK A BIG-TIME FELONY CONVICTION TO VOTE MORE THAN ONCE?

Even if your a BUM and homeless...
$50 bucks or $100 bucks is not worth
A FELONY stint in "the BIG HUT"...


Get real....

I'd be willing to bet....
That the actual number of illegal double or triple
Voters is W.A.Y. less than 50K votes over the entire nation...
And that is SO infantismal as to not sway any national election.


and yet, it happens!... apparently lots of someones thinks it's worth it...
DrafterX Offline
#223 Posted:
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Still puzzled how a little bit of crime is ok... Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
#224 Posted:
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cuz... it's not that big a deal and stuff... it barely ever happens so it's not worth trying to prevent... I mean, obviously I don't care either way... but if you're in favor of voting laws you're a racist and an idiot because it never happens and when it does it doesn't make a difference and stuff... but it never happens...
teedubbya Offline
#225 Posted:
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I know an accountant that will spend 100,000 to recover 10 bucks. because a buck is a buck.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#226 Posted:
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I don't... but i know an accountant that thinks stealing $10 should be illegal regardless of how meaningless $10 is to some people...
teedubbya Offline
#227 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't... but i know an accountant that thinks stealing $10 should be illegal regardless of how meaningless $10 is to some people...


and as a result is willing to spend 100,000 in a quest towards zero and since they know of $10 will say the whole schpeel is invalid..
frankj1 Offline
#228 Posted:
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obviously crime is crime.
but not all crimes should be the stuff of huuuuuge debates.

DrafterX Offline
#229 Posted:
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and who gets to decide..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#230 Posted:
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you do
DrafterX Offline
#231 Posted:
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Sweet..!! Laugh
opelmanta1900 Offline
#232 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
and as a result is willing to spend 100,000 in a quest towards zero and since they know of $10 will say the whole schpeel is invalid..


I think your metaphor/simile/whatever it is got messed up somewhere... no one is spending 100,000 votes to stop 10 cases of voter fraud...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#233 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
obviously crime is crime.
but not all crimes should be the stuff of huuuuuge debates.


can't help but feel like it wouldn't be a huge debate if states were just allowed to have voter ID laws... because the argument against them seems to be that they aren't necessary... or that they cost money... or that they aren't effective...

that's what government is!!!! costly, unnecessary, inneffective laws!!!

so let this just be another one... and when trump loses the presidential race to the second biggest sh*tbag on the planet - due to him being the single biggest sh*tbag on the planet - it will be one less weapon in his and his supporters arsenal of complaints...

teedubbya Offline
#234 Posted:
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you are right there isn't an exact equivelence
DrafterX Offline
#235 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
you are right there isn't an exact equivelence



you could count how many BigMacs were sold that day... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#236 Posted:
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great.. now this...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2017399/madonna-pledges-to-perform-sex-acts-in-exchange-for-votes-for-hillary-clinton/

Not talking
dstieger Offline
#237 Posted:
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Return to the Forum without posting
tailgater Offline
#238 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I know an accountant that will spend 100,000 to recover 10 bucks. because a buck is a buck.


They're called the IRS.
frankj1 Offline
#239 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
can't help but feel like it wouldn't be a huge debate if states were just allowed to have voter ID laws... because the argument against them seems to be that they aren't necessary... or that they cost money... or that they aren't effective...

that's what government is!!!! costly, unnecessary, inneffective laws!!!

so let this just be another one... and when trump loses the presidential race to the second biggest sh*tbag on the planet - due to him being the single biggest sh*tbag on the planet - it will be one less weapon in his and his supporters arsenal of complaints...


I have stated above (somewhere) that I would not be troubled by showing an ID, and that 30-something states do require some form...so they are allowed. Boston Globe pointed out that voting (so far) is not hackable.

But you'd like the untrustworthy government to start an ID program to keep potential violations of rampant fraud less likely than the bare minimum that have been recorded historically? Are you sure? Do you trust them to do it right?

I know our comparisons have been meaningless on this thread, but there are ways of preventing even more rampant crime, but I don't think most would like them.

frankj1 Offline
#240 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
They're called the IRS.

you. sir, are the best!
DrafterX Offline
#241 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:

But you'd like the untrustworthy government to start an ID program to keep potential violations of rampant fraud less likely than the bare minimum that have been recorded historically? Are you sure? Do you trust them to do it right?




How do you mess up asking for an ID..?? Think
frankj1 Offline
#242 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
How do you mess up asking for an ID..?? Think

I guess I am thinking about overseeing and distributing ID's to those that we keep reading are too old/poor/without the wherewithall etc to have one.

After all, aren't they the gazillions of people that this is about?
frankj1 Offline
#243 Posted:
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in college, my son got into bars (never turned away) with an out of state driver's license that id'd him as a 32 year old hispanic male.

surely we'd need the corrupt government to expand into a new and improved id business to protect us and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
#244 Posted:
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there would be a difference getting verified at the voting booth than getting into a bar... the bar doesn't care as long as you have an ID... Your name has to be on a list to and you'll need an ID to vote... if you can pull off registering and presenting a fake ID then go for it... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#245 Posted:
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There will always be a thousand reasons why we shouldn't implement a rule, regulation and restriction.
The NRA has made a living out of capitalizing on this fact.
So we weigh the pros and cons.

The pros.
This is simple.
Will reduce fraud.
Will provide ample warm and fuzzies against feeling disenfranchized (I though this would win over the bleeding hearts).
Would impact BOTH sides equally (everyone has to show an ID, not just the liberals.).
Costs would be minimal. (let's be honest here. There isn't a large population of voters without access to proper ID).

The cons?
Well, we all know the cons vote democrat, so I guess that's their argument.
frankj1 Offline
#246 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
There will always be a thousand reasons why we shouldn't implement a rule, regulation and restriction.
The NRA has made a living out of capitalizing on this fact.
So we weigh the pros and cons.

The pros.
This is simple.
Will reduce fraud.
Will provide ample warm and fuzzies against feeling disenfranchized (I though this would win over the bleeding hearts).
Would impact BOTH sides equally (everyone has to show an ID, not just the liberals.).
Costs would be minimal. (let's be honest here. There isn't a large population of voters without access to proper ID).

The cons?
Well, we all know the cons are democrat incumbents, so I guess that's their argument.

fify
tailgater Offline
#247 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
fify


My hero.
Love
Speyside Offline
#248 Posted:
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Well played Frank!
frankj1 Offline
#249 Posted:
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maybe it's true what people say...I am like a genius
DrafterX Offline
#250 Posted:
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Shandy Clark
on Monday
Hey everyone, just a heads up! I had a family member that voted this morning and she voted straight Republican. She checked before she submitted and the vote had changed to Clinton! She reported it and made sure her vote was changed back. They commented that It had been happening. She is trying to get the word out and asked that we post and share. Just want everyone's vote to be accurate and count. Check your vote before you submit! Mary Sims-Beckham and Bradina Benson do y'all know how to report this?
Edit: this happened this morning In Arlington TX. Mon, Oct 24, 2016, which is also when I posted!




Lisa Houlette
on Monday
Gary and I went to early vote today...I voted a straight Republican
ticket and as I scrolled to submit my ballot I noticed that the
Republican Straight ticket was highlighted, however, the clinton/kaine box was also highlighted! I tried to go back and
change and could not get it to work. I asked for help from one of
the workers and she couldn't get it to go back either. It took a second election person to get the machine to where I could correct the vote to a straight ticket. Be careful and double check your selections before you cast your vote! Don't hesitate to ask for help. I had to have help to get mine changed.



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