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Charlotte, here we go again.
Mr. Jones Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,421
CROS
INSTIGATED
THE
WHOLE
RIOT....

Then used his wheelchair wheels ( with shoes attached to the back wheels) to hide that he was ever there....

Even bloodhounds get fooled by
CROS's fake footprints....
Stinkdyr Offline
#52 Posted:
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Posts: 9,948
dharbolt wrote:
I'm sick of the whole thing. If people would cooperate with the police they wouldn't be shot. Period.



Oh there you go again, with that commonsense stuff. Jeeesh.


Herfing
gummy jones Offline
#53 Posted:
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Posts: 7,969
dstieger wrote:
I was kinda 'wow', too...maybe just one 'wow' and not two, like TW...but huh....

I live in a VERY immigrant heavy neighborhood. Of the 16 houses on my block, I doubt that more than one other family besides ours has been in this country more than 25 years...from all over the world - from Poland to Morroco to the Caribbean to Somalia to Nepal, to Mexico and others. Every single one is very hard working, friendly, respectful....These people, even the second generation 'kids', are working full time or two jobs and I'd be extremely surprised if any one of them could swallow their pride enough to accept something they felt they have not worked for and earned. Honestly, that has been my experience with the vast majority of immigrants that I've ever met.


many was the wrong word
should have said some

in my experience (which is what we are comparing here) it depends on the country of origin

for example, i have never met an indian who the above applied

but once again, I'm not sure i fault people for taking advantage of a crummy system
Abrignac Offline
#54 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't remember saying or even implying that i immediately did not believe the narrative coming from police in Charlotte...

opelmanta1900 wrote:
I assume you're also sick of unarmed black men being shot by police? Get rid of that one and the rest of them will probably go away...

In the context in which the first statement was made, it reasonably allows one to conclude that that you believe police in Charlotte shot an unarmed black man.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
Also, this immediate thing is gonna screw people up without some clarification... are we telling people about my immediate reaction to the actual shooting or just what i did immediately after i found out about the shooting? There was a lapse of about 2 hours between them i think and i don't want people accusing us of blurring the lines...

You just made something blurry opaque.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
What i do believe, and what i said is that if unarmed black men stop getting shot by the police, i.e. Tulsa, then maybe when armed black men are shot by the police, i.e. Charlotte, no one will give a sh*t...

That would be nice, but I'm sure the the activists will find another cause to unite behind.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
Just my pre-coffee, pre- cigar thought...

Quit thinking before you have a cigar and a cup of coffee.

whip
Abrignac Offline
#55 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
there is a fine line between doing what you say, and allowing it to become a police state. We all must be aware of growing power regardless of the current ruling party, even one we like.


That is less of a problem than most realize.

From a LEO's perspective let's take a look at a few things:

Profiling isn't nearly as big a problem as one would suspect, especially in mid-sized and larger municipalities. Here's why. The vast majority of LEO's spend their day responding to calls for police assistance. Take the agency I left in January. In three of the six substations, each officer on patrol will get dispatched to at least 12 calls in a 12 hour shift. Travel time will be about 5 minutes. Time on call will run from 20-30 minutes. Time spent writing a report on that call will be about 10 minutes. On average each call will occupy 45 minutes of the officer's day. So 12 calls * 45 minutes = 9 hours. Add another 45 minutes to sit down for lunch and a couple 15 minute toilet breaks. So that leaves 1 hour and 45 minutes of "play time" right? Nope. Suppose you have to book someone into jail. There goes that play time. In reality the average patrol officer generally will not self initiate any calls because they have very little time to do so.

Those in specialized divisions spend the vast majority of their shifts following up on existing cases.

Not saying it doesn't exist, just no where near as prevalent as most think.
sd72 Offline
#56 Posted:
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What about the secret division that just profiles and harasses people including mr. jones? Denying it exists just verifies its existence.
Speyside Offline
#57 Posted:
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We all know it doesn't exist.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#58 Posted:
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Anthony - as i already conceded to spey, yes, the thread the statement was made in would make it reasonable for someone to come to that conclusion... thank you for pointing it out again for those who may have missed it on the last page...

As for this:

"That would be nice, but I'm sure the the activists will find another cause to unite behind."

Is that really so bad? If these activists are getting cops who shoot unarmed civilians held accountable - even if it's just one instance of one cop - is that really so bad? I don't agree with violence or looting but clearly not all or even most of these "activists" can be blamed for that...

In the spirit of full disclosure, the Charlotte thing seems pretty cut and dry in my mind, as does the Tulsa thing... Charlotte = guilty armed black man, Tulsa = guilty white girl cop... unlike tw, i like to throw stones before all the facts come in... they can always be picked up later and thrown again at someone else...
MACS Offline
#59 Posted:
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Also... what some call 'profiling', others call 'policing the statistics' and a good cop will use that to his/her advantage.

Say you're patrolling a neighborhood where statistics have shown 90% of the crimes are committed by meth-addled white guys. The smart cop is going to focus his 'policing' on the group in question.

Are the white guys being 'profiled', or is the cop just using good, common sense?
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted:
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Charlotte has become an all out race riot.. the cop shooting the dude with the gun was just an excuse.. those people hate the white man and are very clear about it.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
#61 Posted:
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It is interesting that in Tulsa the protesting has been peaceful. I wonder if this is because the authorities were immediately so transparent with the video, or if they have worked hard on neighborhood relationships, or what?
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted:
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They just remember what happened in Wichita when they got uppity and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
#63 Posted:
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They got all they wanted back in 1921... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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I forgot it was Tulsa not Wichita
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted:
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I think the police and the mayor being very transparent has a lot to do with no violent riots... and Sharpton hasn't got there yet.. Laugh
frankj1 Offline
#66 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
I was kinda 'wow', too...maybe just one 'wow' and not two, like TW...but huh....

I live in a VERY immigrant heavy neighborhood. Of the 16 houses on my block, I doubt that more than one other family besides ours has been in this country more than 25 years...from all over the world - from Poland to Morroco to the Caribbean to Somalia to Nepal, to Mexico and others. Every single one is very hard working, friendly, respectful....These people, even the second generation 'kids', are working full time or two jobs and I'd be extremely surprised if any one of them could swallow their pride enough to accept something they felt they have not worked for and earned. Honestly, that has been my experience with the vast majority of immigrants that I've ever met.

same experience that I have had.
Abrignac Offline
#67 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Anthony - as i already conceded to spey, yes, the thread the statement was made in would make it reasonable for someone to come to that conclusion... thank you for pointing it out again for those who may have missed it on the last page...

As for this:

"That would be nice, but I'm sure the the activists will find another cause to unite behind."

Is that really so bad? If these activists are getting cops who shoot unarmed civilians held accountable - even if it's just one instance of one cop - is that really so bad? I don't agree with violence or looting but clearly not all or even most of these "activists" can be blamed for that...

In the spirit of full disclosure, the Charlotte thing seems pretty cut and dry in my mind, as does the Tulsa thing... Charlotte = guilty armed black man, Tulsa = guilty white girl cop... unlike tw, i like to throw stones before all the facts come in... they can always be picked up later and thrown again at someone else...



Joel, forgive me if we don't agree, but much of our race problems stem from "good" activists trying to fix problems that aren't nearly as prevelant as they would have you believe. When was the last time someone called themselves an "African-European"?

As far as profiling, IIRC it was Jesse James who said he Rob's banks because that's where the money is. For example, if 95% of burglaries in a given area are being committed by members of a specific race, it's beyond stupid to not focus on that race.
frankj1 Offline
#68 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
That is less of a problem than most realize.

From a LEO's perspective let's take a look at a few things:

Profiling isn't nearly as big a problem as one would suspect, especially in mid-sized and larger municipalities. Here's why. The vast majority of LEO's spend their day responding to calls for police assistance. Take the agency I left in January. In three of the six substations, each officer on patrol will get dispatched to at least 12 calls in a 12 hour shift. Travel time will be about 5 minutes. Time on call will run from 20-30 minutes. Time spent writing a report on that call will be about 10 minutes. On average each call will occupy 45 minutes of the officer's day. So 12 calls * 45 minutes = 9 hours. Add another 45 minutes to sit down for lunch and a couple 15 minute toilet breaks. So that leaves 1 hour and 45 minutes of "play time" right? Nope. Suppose you have to book someone into jail. There goes that play time. In reality the average patrol officer generally will not self initiate any calls because they have very little time to do so.

Those in specialized divisions spend the vast majority of their shifts following up on existing cases.

Not saying it doesn't exist, just no where near as prevalent as most think.

I understand and agree.

Bear in mind Anthony that I am not one who is claiming we already live in a police state...
Abrignac Offline
#69 Posted:
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sd72 wrote:
What about the secret division that just profiles and harasses people including mr. jones? Denying it exists just verifies its existence.



They are very real. Silly noob, it's on the Internet and you can't lie on the Internet.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#70 Posted:
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Mad crazy ate up with the Soros cash!!!!!!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6kT_0H1MI
Abrignac Offline
#71 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I understand and agree.

Bear in mind Anthony that I am not one who is claiming we already live in a police state...



I know. It's a fine line we walk. Some techniques I find abhorrent.

True story. I once had a trustee that worked on one of my crews. One day I asked him why he was in jail. He told me for waving at the police. I'm like "you're full of chit." He tells me that a police officer passed him as he was riding his bicycle. The officer waved at him. He waved back. The officer did a u-turn and told him he was going to write him a summons for not having 2 hands on the handle bars (actual city ordinance). Since he was in a high crime area, the officer patted him down. The guy had a crack pipe in his pocket. The officer arrested him and charged him with the handlebar violation and drug para. Not believing him I pulled up his charges. That's what he was charged with. I pulled up the report and read it. It was well written, but for all intents and purposes the officer's report pretty much echoed what the guy told me. The guy that arrested him has a reputation for chicken**** stuff like that. Quite a few of the ADA's will refuse to bill his cases. Since he's civil service there's nothing that can be done since there isn't anything "illegal" about what he does.
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:


As far as profiling, IIRC it was Jesse James who said he Rob's banks because that's where the money is. For example, if 95% of burglaries in a given area are being committed by members of a specific race, it's beyond stupid to not focus on that race.

you and I are very close on this fine line stuff, but we split at this type of point...

If a town was 95% white, and 98.2% of those proven guilty of recent B & E's (or even armed assaults and hold ups) were white residents, we both know that no one is being stopped and frisked on the street, no one is being pulled over randomly.

They'd have to match a pretty detailed description.


BlackCat13th Offline
#73 Posted:
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i dont think anyone is interested in fixing, stoping, preventing, this situation. everyone only seems interested how to blow it up into a full blown civil war.


damn shame too, the solution is so simple.
frankj1 Offline
#74 Posted:
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BlackCat13th wrote:
i dont think anyone is interested in fixing, stoping, preventing, this situation. everyone only seems interested how to blow it up into a full blown civil war.


damn shame too, the solution is so simple.

I heard you were a jinx
BlackCat13th Offline
#75 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard you were a jinx



wtf is that supposed to mean?
BlackCat13th Offline
#76 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard you were a jinx

oh yeah? well I heard you were a jackalope!

Frying pan
Speyside Offline
#77 Posted:
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So, what is the simple solution?
BlackCat13th Offline
#78 Posted:
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why should i tell you? you already know but you dont wont to do it for some stupid reason. if you wanna know you have to ask correctly.
MACS Offline
#79 Posted:
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BlackCat13th wrote:
why should i tell you? you already know but you dont wont to do it for some stupid reason. if you wanna know you have to ask correctly.


You're an idiot. Go away.
BlackCat13th Offline
#80 Posted:
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what do you hate about idiots? did idiots used to slap you around like a little punkbitch? i know idiots that are far more intellegent than you, homer mah boy.
frankj1 Offline
#81 Posted:
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BlackCat13th wrote:
wtf is that supposed to mean?

um, black cat, 13...you're like a genius.
BlackCat13th Offline
#82 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
um, black cat, 13...you're like a genus.


to you - i'm more like a: kingdom, genus, and species.
riverdog Offline
#83 Posted:
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BlackCat13th wrote:
to you - i'm more like a: kingdom, genus, and species.

He's gotcha there Frank.Sarcasm
frankj1 Offline
#84 Posted:
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riverdog wrote:
He's gotcha there Frank.Sarcasm

I trust your diagnosis, pet doc.
Krazeehorse Offline
#85 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
It is interesting that in Tulsa the protesting has been peaceful. I wonder if this is because the authorities were immediately so transparent with the video, or if they have worked hard on neighborhood relationships, or what?

I heard the cops there blared the national anthem out of PA speakers and everyone just sat down.
tonygraz Offline
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BlackCat13th wrote:
what do you hate about idiots? did idiots used to slap you around like a little punkbitch? i know idiots that are far more intellegent than you, homer mah boy.


I'm sure you know and hang around with mostly idiots. Ever hear of that birds of a feather thing ?
frankj1 Offline
#87 Posted:
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I heard the cops there blared the national anthem out of PA speakers and everyone just sat down.

great line.
BlackCat13th Offline
#88 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Ever hear of that birds of a feather thing ?


yeah i havent heard anything that corny in about a decade tho.


tonygraz wrote:
I'm sure you know and hang around with mostly idiots.


so hows it hangin? dont worry i dont think you're mostly an idiot. just completely (:
tonygraz Offline
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New guy pretending to be black or regular deplorable trying to instigate ? Already knows how to edit.
banderl Offline
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The Dude's a firecracker.
Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you and I are very close on this fine line stuff, but we split at this type of point...

If a town was 95% white, and 98.2% of those proven guilty of recent B & E's (or even armed assaults and hold ups) were white residents, we both know that no one is being stopped and frisked on the street, no one is being pulled over randomly.

They'd have to match a pretty detailed description.




We could "what if" this until we die. But, doing so only creates an illusion of something that isn't so. For the most part I totally respect everything you say even though we have a different view on some things. That is why I enjoy bantering back an forth with you my friend. But, in this instance I must draw the line. It really seems you are throwing out something that doesn't exist, but assumes the weight of fact.

But, since you opened that door I'll walk through it. If you can show me a community where your example exists, then as a white male, I say profile the chit out of every white male walking down the road. At the end of the day, it's about protecting the masses at the expense of a few.

TANSTAAFL!!!
BlackCat13th Offline
#92 Posted:
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to both the candidates.

i'm not sure i can support you if i dont hear you say that "there cant be civility without civil rights or civil rights without civility."

all of what's going on is due to the erosion of our civil rights. first amendment is in tatters, second amendment is almost out the door, fourth amendment is long gone, some places you cant testify at all if you want a 5th amendment..... you need to run on restoring civil right or i guarantee you osama will win from the grave and america will crumble. the federal government has played right into osamas cold dead hands. there is no civility without civil rights, there is no justice while there is a paramilitary enjoying impunity to walk all over our people.




you cant take sides on this one. you'll lose if you dont see that people are upset like their civil rights are gone, flown away, federally lost. it's why there's no support for the federal government, all the way around. dont kid yourselves. it will mean civil war one way or another if you cant see that. this is america, we have rights here or we have war. that's the american way. that's why we're the home of the brave.




this is not a threat, it's the inevitable outcome that will happen independently of my or anyone's ability to perceive or influence it. it's the way america works or doesn't work. "give us freedom or give us death."
Abrignac Offline
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Looks like the black white pussycat has an extra credit card. Any guesses as to which azzhat had a credit card laying around which hasn't already been used to create a cbid account?
tonygraz Offline
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Dear dopey feline - its: "Give me liberty or give me death". If you were only half as bright as you hoped you were.
BlackCat13th Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
We could "what if" this until we die.


november isn't very far off yaknow.
Abrignac Offline
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BlackCat13th wrote:
to both the candidates.

i'm not sure i can support you if i dont hear you say that "there cant be civility without civil rights or civil rights without civility."

all of what's going on is due to the erosion of our civil rights. first amendment is in tatters, second amendment is almost out the door, fourth amendment is long gone, some places you cant testify at all if you want a 5th amendment..... you need to run on restoring civil right or i guarantee you osama will win from the grave and america will crumble. the federal government has played right into osamas cold dead hands. there is no civility without civil rights, there is no justice while there is a paramilitary enjoying impunity to walk all over our people.




you cant take sides on this one. you'll lose if you dont see that people are upset like their civil rights are gone, flown away, federally lost. it's why there's no support for the federal government, all the way around. dont kid yourselves. it will mean civil war one way or another if you cant see that. this is america, we have rights here or we have war. that's the american way. that's why we're the home of the brave.





this is not a threat, it's the inevitable outcome that will happen independently of my or anyone's ability to perceive or influence it. it's the way america works or doesn't work. "give us freedom or give us death."




My money is on KofC. Other than me, he's the only one around here who seems to have enough time to actually explain things........
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tonygraz wrote:
Dear dopey feline - its: "Give me liberty or give me death". If you were only half as bright as you hoped you were.


dear clown face, there's more permutations than patrick henry's
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what's going on here, you all might ask. it's none of the sht any of these people are talking about. it's not racism, exactly. it's the perceptions people have about our lost civil rights under the patriot act. i'm proud the black community is so brave, even if just dumb (:

there's almost no first amendment left, there's barley any second amendment left, fourth amendment is gone completely..... when it's like that, people are going to riot! they were all written to prevent sht like this. the last 15 years of sht storm would have never happened if the constitution was represented in 1997. where's freedom of religion? unless your religion is, "whatever some pig said was your place this morning" that shts nopey nope

pigs can bend, break, ignore any law as they see fit. they're given carte blanche to do it too. i think half the country just likes watching the other half get bullied by pigs. that's what it is yaknow. these pigs dont give a fk about our civil rights, that's where all this is coming from.

you should not be able to ignore the whole constitution any time you like with their typical bullsht line, "if you're an @sshole then i'll be an @sshole too." they just say you're an @sshole hole for just for exercising your civil rights.... as soon as you try to maintain that you have civil rights, they do whatever the fk they want because they're self absolved by the pig union to be an ****.

it's called policing for revenue. it's already been damned by the supreme court and yet the pigs just keep on keeping on. any pig who treats a citizen like an a$$hole because they stood up for their right's, should be a pig that gets fired on the spot with no right of an appeal from the police union. when a pig infringes on a citizen's rights, that pig has forgone their police union protections.

if pigs dont respect your rights they're just unconstitutional-totalitarian-paramilitary-tyranny. the kind of red coat scum we killed to make the country in the first place. this is the home of the brave, not the home of the cucked by nasty lawless pigs in badges.

Herfing
tonygraz Offline
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Original shows intelligence, copycats are lazy or stupid.
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Abrignac wrote:
We could "what if" this until we die. But, doing so only creates an illusion of something that isn't so. For the most part I totally respect everything you say even though we have a different view on some things. That is why I enjoy bantering back an forth with you my friend. But, in this instance I must draw the line. It really seems you are throwing out something that doesn't exist, but assumes the weight of fact.

But, since you opened that door I'll walk through it. If you can show me a community where your example exists, then as a white male, I say profile the chit out of every white male walking down the road. At the end of the day, it's about protecting the masses at the expense of a few.

TANSTAAFL!!!

the towns I described exist up here.

I have very little argument to offer against you, except the suggestion to profile every white male...it does not happen and never will. I feel it should not happen at all anywhere.

What is tanstaafl?

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