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Graphic video released shows officers shooting 6-year-old
cacman Offline
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An absolutely horrific story. Many lives changed forever. Not to sound crass, but I shudder to think of the outcome had the races been reversed.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/us/louisiana-body-cam-shooting/index.html

(CNN)A Louisiana judge released body cam video Wednesday showing officers firing multiple rounds into a car, unknowingly striking and killing a 6-year-old boy.

The incident, which happened in September 2015, resulted in the indictments of two marshals on second degree murder and second degree attempted murder charges.

The marshals began pursuing the car after they witnessed an argument between a man and his girlfriend in front of a local bar, a source told CNN. Officers moved to detain the man, identified as Christopher Few, who took off in his car.
The pursuit ended in gunfire on a dead-end street in Marksville, Louisiana.

The Superintendent of the Louisiana State Police called the video "the most disturbing thing I've seen." It comes from a body camera worn by a separate officer, and shows back-up arriving, shots being fired, and the moment deputies realized they had killed a child.

Jeremy Mardis was hit by five bullets.

The footage, which is very graphic in parts, shows a confused scene in which several officers discuss the situation and how best to proceed. An officer appears to say, "I don't know who all fired," to which another officer seems to respond, "I fired."

The suspect, who is behind the wheel of a small white car, is hit but not killed. He presents his hands to the officers and eventually, slowly, crawls out of the car to lie on the asphalt.

The officer wearing the body cam calls dispatch to ask about another officer's arrival time. He's asked about suspect injuries, to which he replies, "severely critical."

Two officers can be heard discussing what to do next. One says, "You want me to call state police?" The other responds, "No listen. Get all these people away. And block this off over here," gesturing to the road.
'I never saw a kid in the car'.

A discussion about the suspect's condition ensues, and an officer says, "I never saw a kid in the car, bro." The officer wearing the camera says, "Yeah he's ahh...the kid is..." but doesn't finish his sentence.

The officer who is wearing the camera eventually walks around to the passenger side of the vehicle, windows have been shattered. He shines his flashlight onto the child's inert body, which is in the front passenger seat, and speaks to him before checking his pulse. An officer can be heard vomiting off-camera.

He later unbuckles the child's seatbelt, exclaiming "oh my God," before walking away.

Later on the video, an EMT pronounces the child, first-grader Jeremy Mardis, dead. He was hit by five bullets in the head and chest, according to CNN affiliate WAFB.

Jeremy's first-grade teacher told CNN he was autistic and did not communicate verbally.
Jeremy died, and his father survived.

Officers face trial
Two Marksville, Louisiana, marshals were indicted on murder charges by a grand jury in December, and are awaiting separate murder trials later this year.

They were identified as Derrick Stafford, 32, and Norris Greenhouse, 23.
Officers Norris Greenhouse Jr., left, and Derrick Stafford are charged with second-degree murder.

Greenhouse knew Few before the deadly encounter, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN. Investigators are looking into the extent of their relationship.

Defense attorney Alex Higgins, who represented Greenhouse when he was indicted, but told CNN affiliate KALB at the time that the case lacks sufficient evidence and that the indictment in no way proves guilt.

The video was released as part of an evidentiary hearing Wednesday, according to CNN affiliate KATC.

Stafford's trial is set for November, and Greenhouse's set for March.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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makes me sick, makes me wanna cry...
sd72 Offline
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I'm not sure what we're saying here. The shooting was justifiable if it was just the dad? Is the crime not being able to see through a steel door? Or was It a bad shooting to begin with.
teedubbya Offline
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I liked how race was injected in to it because we hate when race is injected in to it lol.
DrafterX Offline
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Did the kid not comply..?? Huh
tonygraz Offline
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With race implications, I would guess it was highly likely these two marshals will go to jail.
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I liked how race was injected in to it because we hate when race is injected in to it lol.


I thought you had already earned your merit badge in sanctimony?






ZRX1200 Offline
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How is it murder ?

Doesn't murder have to have some element of premeditation?

Is this the DA putting an impossible charge up to sound tough and give the cops an avenue out of charges?

Seems like involuntary manslaughter would be the correct charge.
tailgater Offline
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Wrongful death?
Unnecessary force?

I didn't watch the video. Were the cops shooting at the father and simply hit the kid?
If so, and if their shots were justified, then the father should be brought up on charges for endangering his kid.

Too many variables to a sad outcome.

opelmanta1900 Offline
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The shots were not justified under any circumstances... I think if someone dies as a result of your trying to murder someone else, it can be considered murder...
gummy jones Offline
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the problem with your assertion is that that is not how murder is defined

tragic nonetheless that the poor kid has to pay the price for his dead beat dad and vigilante cops
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
The shots were not justified under any circumstances... I think if someone dies as a result of your trying to murder someone else, it can be considered murder...

In some states it doesn't have to be murder. I think in Ohio if two guys break into a house and the homeowner kills one the other burglar can be charged with his accomplice's murder.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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^exactly...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
the problem with your assertion is that that is not how murder is defined

tragic nonetheless that the poor kid has to pay the price for his dead beat dad and vigilante cops

what was said when this whole thing first happened was that these 2 cops actually knew this guy... and not from criminal run-ins... more like from criminal dealings...

and (it was said) the cops were out of their jurisdiction and possibly not on duty...

basically, the way it was told, the 2 cops had hunted this guy down, found him, and in the commission of attempting to murder him, they accidentally murdered his 6 year old autistic son...

I'm not sure how much of that is true, just what was being said back when this actually happened...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I just read, both deputies were "moonlighting as deputy marshalls" at the time of the shooting... maybe anthony can give a little insight into what exactly that is and why it takes place and how common that is?
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my only knowledge of the case comes from the article above and, unless i missed it, i didnt see some of the details you state above

it is tragic and likely criminal regardless

crooked cops are amongst the lowest of the low
opelmanta1900 Offline
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you didn't miss it... this case happened over a year ago... coverage of it back then was much different than it is now...
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sd72 wrote:
I'm not sure what we're saying here. The shooting was justifiable if it was just the dad? Is the crime not being able to see through a steel door? Or was It a bad shooting to begin with.


A press conference was held a few days after the incident. It was investigated by the State Police. According to the Superintendent of the State Police is was a very bad shoot.

teedubbya wrote:
I liked how race was injected in to it because we hate when race is injected in to it lol.


Did I miss something???

tonygraz wrote:
With race implications, I would guess it was highly likely these two marshals will go to jail.


Another totally uninformed post. No surprise.

ZRX1200 wrote:
How is it murder ?

Doesn't murder have to have some element of premeditation?

Is this the DA putting an impossible charge up to sound tough and give the cops an avenue out of charges?

Seems like involuntary manslaughter would be the correct charge.


https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=78397

(3) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon more than one person.
(5) When the offender has the specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon a victim who is under the age of twelve or sixty-five years of age or older.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
The shots were not justified under any circumstances... I think if someone dies as a result of your trying to murder someone else, it can be considered murder...


Not so, but way beyond the scope of this incident.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
what was said when this whole thing first happened was that these 2 cops actually knew this guy... and not from criminal run-ins... more like from criminal dealings...

and (it was said) the cops were out of their jurisdiction and possibly not on duty...

basically, the way it was told, the 2 cops had hunted this guy down, found him, and in the commission of attempting to murder him, they accidentally murdered his 6 year old autistic son...

I'm not sure how much of that is true, just what was being said back when this actually happened...


IIRC they are actually sheriff deputies who were working part time as city marshals who were well within their jurisdiction.

opelmanta1900 wrote:
I just read, both deputies were "moonlighting as deputy marshalls" at the time of the shooting... maybe anthony can give a little insight into what exactly that is and why it takes place and how common that is?


Se above. Very common.
Abrignac Offline
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It's a very tragic situation. As with every other police involved shooting I will reserve judgement for the court. Only there will all of the evidence be heard and examined.

What I do know about the incident is basically the two officers pursued the man & his son after the father drove away from the scene of an altercation between the man and his baby's momma. For some unknown reason the officers opened fire on the man not realizing his son was in the car. IIRC one of the officer's had numerous IA complaints against him for use of force.

To find out more google it, but include thedvocate in your search sting along with the name(s) of people involved. The Advocate is the main newspaper in south Louisiana. They covered this story extensively and most of the articles are still live. I'll see if I can fine some articles, If I do, I'll post the links.
Abrignac Offline
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Oldest first

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_d061d889-1491-5e0a-8778-f0b79d2b855d.html

http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_f3269c39-5f7d-5a7c-99db-57f4ec309097.html

http://www.theadvocate.com/nation_world/article_eeb30eb6-d2d2-560f-b4ae-a14b007e57bb.html

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_3aa77ce5-1249-5655-863e-ef9a6d982c11.html

http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_fe521a1a-e06d-5105-b9ee-7c3abb7a6c7a.html
Mr. Jones Offline
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I didn't watch any video.
Just going by what you posted in #1
I'd say the officers are innocent of anything.
JMHO
Speyside Offline
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Let our legal system work. This is certainly tragic, but we only see an overview of what happened.
teedubbya Offline
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Abrig third sentence OP.
Abrignac Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Abrig third sentence OP.



I much prefer to get my news locally where the reports are written by local reporters who are getting their info first hand. IMHO CNN simply aggregates what is already out there.
teedubbya Offline
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It wasn't CNN it was the poster who added the race card.
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teedubbya wrote:
It wasn't CNN it was the poster who added the race card.



LMAO!
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