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Nothing further to add to that (till this subject comes up next time lol)

because it's better?

Why does Gurkha sell more cigars than Illusione?

heh heh...

and drink Bud Lite?

Because waaaaay more botl are cheap frugal batsids when it comes to cigar storage, and would rather spend the money on more unicorn cigars.

Buying KL instead of quality humidification beads is like buying a classic hotrod and keeping it in the driveway under a tarp. Yes the tarp will keep the weather off the car, but it is not as effective as keeping it in the garage.

Checkers sells more than chess. Have at the KL ya cheap bastids. I got 2 cats that will put it to good use.

Silica gel absorbs moisture where moisture is the catalyst for odor, so some of that odor will ultimately end up attached to your silica.

So KL absorbs the moisture which contains odor, and so do your HF beads.

Smell them if you don't believe me;)

Yes, beads and KL are the exact same thing, just in a different shape... and apparently HF beads are treated with other chemicals to have an equilibrium point at a certain point. I'm not certain how effective this is though, because if I over water my HF beads, my RH is going to be higher than 65 and the same goes for the KL.

So in a nutshell, I'm not convinced that there's anything really special about HF beads except that they are shaped like little balls instead of random shaped chunks.

A couple of sprays with distilled water every couple months and they both perform exactly the same.

So to change up your analogy a little...

I can either park my car in my garage (cheaper), or I can rent someone else's garage that has climate control technology marketed to rich guys that buy their cars from Barrett Jackson.

Until I see KL used in a commercial humidor or at a B&M, kitty litter will remain in the box on the floor for my cats to piss and chit on.

^ you pay for stuff?


Peasants have it rough.

I get 2 pounds every month and throw the old ones at homeless people just in case they can't hold it until they get to Victors telephone pole.

So the rumor I heard IS true!
HF beads are made from crushed Unicorn horns.........and that's why they work so much better than plain old silica!

I got nothing to say on this. I was just scrolling and saw someone typed the Magna Carta on the first page.

I love the war I started on this (again). Good stuff!

Also, does anyone have a coupon code or discount number I can use? I see a spot for that at checkout and just wanted to check.

I use tupperware dishes with holes cut out in the lids, never spilled.

How about charging them?

ha...nice...

For the Boveda packs, do you actually have to replace every couple of months or do they last longer than that?

Like ZRX, tupperware containers with HF beads work for me. I drill holes (1/8" bit, smaller diameter than bead) in the lids to allow the moisture in and out. The holes are very close (1/4") together and spread over the entire lid. I have six containers with 1/4 lb to 1/2 lb of beads that I place in different spots in my end table humidor, with smaller containers in my desktops.

I add distilled water every few weeks when the beads dry out. RH stays between 60-65, depending on ambient humidity. During winter months when the ambient humidity drops into the 20's and below and the RH in the humidor drops into the mid 50's, I add a few Boveda 69's and/or a shot glass with DW.

We moved a few months ago, and the weather here is drier, hotter in the summer, and cooler in the winter, so I've had to monitor my hygrometers and adjust my watering intervals.

Step 1: Get out your wallet and prepare to pay an obscene markup for calibrated sand that the vendor got for a tiny fraction of the price he's charging you, from a secret supplier he'll never disclose.



You have to replace (or even touch) them literally NEVER, if you have another easily-refillable source of humidity in the same container (e.g. a gel jar chargd with PG, or similar). It emits humidity and the Bovedas do "2-way buffering" to smooth it out. You get rock-solid RH, zero hassles, and can refill with distilled in seconds, although with plastic/Tupperware it's necessary only very rarely. As I said, the Bovedas never have to be replaced or even touched.

If you don't even want to pay the markup on the ready-made PG gel jars, you can just make your own with the generic super-absorbent polymer, any plastic jar, and some 50/50 PG solution, all of which are dirt cheap from lots of well-known suppliers, not super-duper-secret suppliers like the bead re-sellers apparently use (and guard the identity of closely).

Lots of guys here look down on the PG-infused gel jars, but if you team 'em up with Bovedas, it's a hell of a great, cheap, low-hassle solution. Yes, yes, everyone says they have a mold problem, but 10 years later I'm still waiting for it, and it hasn't happened yet!

What is the best option for buying the Boveda? They show a 320mg pack that seems to be the best deal, but what do I know.

I have two 150 ct humidors that I need to put them in. It looks slightly cheaper to buy the big 320mg ones. Thanks for the help. Pretty sure you changed my mind on this.

You're quite welcome! When I started out, I had great long-time cigar guys transferring info to me, which saved me a ton of time and effort. I'm just trying to "pay it forward" now!

P.S.--- one more thing: In case you didn't know, the more cigars in a container, the better the humidity regulation. Cigars themselves serve as humidity buffers, helping to maintain RH level and lessen the severity of any swings. So have your containers mostly full of cigars, rather than mostly empty.

If you mean 150 COUNT, not 150 QUART, though, 320 is probably a whole lot of overkill, especially if you're using another, refillable humidity source (e.g. gel jar) in there, too.

I use 4-5 standard-size (60 gram) packets (for a total of 240-300 grams) and one gel jar in 116-quart (29 gallon!) containers, and those can hold well over a thousand cigars.

You might just want to go for a cooler and one 320 gram packet, plus a refillable like a gel jar. That might work really well, and will give you lots of future expansion room.

Or if you want to save money and fast, large temperature swings (which coolers buffer) aren't a problem where your cigars will be located, just get a Sterilite or similar very large plastic container, like what I use. Make sure it has a decent sealing or locking system (mine has handles that lock up over the lid to keep it down, and it works fine... it's not a hermetically perfect seal, but it's not SUPPOSED to be... cigars need a tiny bit of air exchange as they age).

Here's the ones I use. Also note they're transparent, so you can read the hygro through the walls without having to open the thing! Coolers can't do that, unless you use a wireless hygro sender/display combo unit:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sterilite-116-Qt-Ultra-Storage-Box-19908604/204725029

Cheap (try to find a cooler that big for $17!), huge, clear-walled (coolers aren't), stackable, great humidity retaining, and maximized internal storage capacity vs. outside dimensions (walls are a few millimeters thick, instead of a few inches thick!)