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banderl Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 5:41 PM EST
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Why wasn't he arrested and thrown in jail?


a secret U.S. military investigation in 2010 determined that Michael T. Flynn, the retired Army general tapped to serve as national security adviser in the Trump White House, "inappropriately shared" classified information with foreign military officers in Afghanistan, newly released documents show.

Although Flynn lacked authorization to share the classified material, he was not disciplined or reprimanded after the investigation concluded that he did not act "knowingly" and that "there was no actual or potential damage to national security as a result," according to Army records obtained by The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act.

Flynn has previously acknowledged that he was investigated while serving as the U.S. military intelligence chief in Afghanistan for sharing secrets with British and Australian allies there. But he has dismissed the case as insignificant and has given few details.

The Army documents provide the first official account of the case, but they are limited in scope because the investigation itself remains classified. Former U.S. officials familiar with the matter said that Flynn was accused of telling allies about the activities of other agencies in Afghanistan, including the CIA.

The Army files call into question Flynn's prior assertion that he had permission to share the sensitive information.

During the presidential race, Flynn campaigned vigorously for Republican nominee Donald Trump and drew attention for his scalding attacks against Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified material. Clinton was investigated by the FBI for allowing classified information to be transmitted on her private email server when she ran the State Department. No charges were filed against the former secretary of state, but the issue dogged her for more than a year.

At the Republican National Convention in July, Flynn called on Clinton to drop out of the race for putting "our nation's security at extremely high risk with her careless use of a private email server." He egged on the partisan crowd in chants of "lock her up," adding: "If I, a guy who knows this business, if I did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today."............

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-michael-flynn-shared-secrets-donald-trump-20161214-story.html
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 5:44 PM EST
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I think your article answers all your questions... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 5:55 PM EST
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So you're saying there is a Santa Claus???
banderl Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 5:59 PM EST
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Some of our "finest minds" here, have stated that the mishandling of classified material is grounds for imprisonment. No questions asked.
banderl Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 5:59 PM EST
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X2
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 9:49 PM EST
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To an battle ally he shared what?

As opposed to illegally stashing a server in a closet, and putting national secrets at risk to the world.

But you guys only think Russians get things when you want to blame them when your political hack fell victim to a phishing email.....
burnem2 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 9:57 PM EST
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Never would I Monday morning quarterback the decisions of a General operating in the field. Pathetic attempt to discredit Trump by attacking an operator.
bgz Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 9:57 PM EST
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Well, she had a good excuse for the phishing email...

The letter was from an amazing lesbian daughter of a high ranking barrister from the lovely country Nigeria who needed help getting 300,00,00 million dollars to America.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 10:01 PM EST
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It was Padesta.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016, 11:58 PM EST
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It's bad to have a private server that might get hacked but ok to simply share.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 1:42 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It's bad to have a private server that might get hacked but ok to simply share.



"there was no actual or potential damage to national security as a result," according to Army records

You want to ask that again?

The two aren't comparable.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 5:52 AM EST
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One is potential the other is actual and intentional. You can not unilaterally decide which classified information shouldn't be based on your own assessment and who you should share it with.

What Hillary did was wrong. Taking issue with this other case in no way indicates different.

But I am absolutely amazed at people's hypocrisy and ability to rationalize things.
Burner02 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 6:43 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
Some of our "finest minds" here, have stated that the mishandling of classified material is grounds for imprisonment. No questions asked.



Still having problems connecting the dots.................................... to the private/unauthorized server?



Brick wall
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 8:17 AM EST
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but Hillary insisted there was no classified info.. thinking her staff had removed all the classified headings (which her instructions to do so were in an email).. then there was so she bleached the server after it was subpoenaed.. then lied to congress and the FBI and stuff... other than that ya, these cases are exactly the same... Unsure



desperation... Mellow
banderl Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:12 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Still having problems connecting the dots.................................... to the private/unauthorized server?



Brick wall



There's one of our "finest minds".
LMFAO!
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:16 AM EST
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A general in a theater of war, sharing info with an ally.

You try real hard to be outraged sometimes.
banderl Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:22 AM EST
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His bosses had the problem with this, not me.

Flynn has previously acknowledged that he was investigated while serving as the U.S. military intelligence chief in Afghanistan for sharing secrets with British and Australian allies there. But he has dismissed the case as insignificant and has given few details.

The Army documents provide the first official account of the case, but they are limited in scope because the investigation itself remains classified. Former U.S. officials familiar with the matter said that Flynn was accused of telling allies about the activities of other agencies in Afghanistan, including the CIA.

The Army files call into question Flynn's prior assertion that he had permission to share the sensitive information.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:33 AM EST
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Keep swinging shorty.
Burner02 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:38 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
There's one of our "finest minds".
LMFAO!




Really sad that you don't have a clue as to how foolish you come across as.

And by the way I have a firm grasp on the use of classified info in mil ops vs circumventing the system for personal gain.

Back in your rabbit hole Skippy.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 11:12 AM EST
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Go ask Alice... Whistle
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 1:54 PM EST
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A general who didn't have authority to declassify or change foreign actors security clearance regardless of who they were or where he was, particularly in the theater of war. It's why the rules exist and are sacred. So an individual can't just make it up as they go based on what they feel like in the moment.

It's bad juju. Amazing anyone is defending it. It's bad no matter who did it or their political party.

But we do need to know more. Maybe there is more but no fire.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 1:57 PM EST
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Burner you really have no issue with it? And you had a clearance?
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#23 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 1:58 PM EST
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nark... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 2:00 PM EST
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I actually have reported several security breaches. Mostly unintentional. I self reported one of my own as well.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 2:02 PM EST
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you said Bloody did that... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 2:13 PM EST
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breached TW?
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 2:18 PM EST
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I act outraged when I look bad too.

Apology accepted.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 2:22 PM EST
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In my case breached = disclosed or potentially disclosed information. mostly back when I worked for a defense contractor but similar now too

Maybe the military has a classified designation that says do not disclose unless you disagree, think you know better, are in a theater of war, they are nice, their agenda is like your personal one, it might get declassified later, and they have a nice smile. I'm just not familiar with that.

Kidding aside security isn't normally optional or subjective at the individual level.
banderl Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 3:48 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Really sad that you don't have a clue as to how foolish you come across as.

And by the way I have a firm grasp on the use of classified info in mil ops vs circumventing the system for personal gain.

Back in your rabbit hole Skippy.



Thank god that we have our very own classified expert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWq6L19eNo
Go crawl back up 5K3W's tremendously enormous azz and be quiet.
Burner02 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 6:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually have reported several security breaches. Mostly unintentional. I self reported one of my own as well.


And that is the way it should be.
Brewha Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 6:18 PM EST
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Next thing I know you'll say politicians should release there tax returns.....
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 7:06 PM EST
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And their college transcripts.
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 7:43 PM EST
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Trump went to college?
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 8:12 PM EST
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If he did I bet he didn't get the foreign students rate... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 8:41 PM EST
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^ there's that fake news thing again...
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 8:46 PM EST
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Well, Obama was at a college at some point at least. .. that's were he experienced some stuff with some dudes that are dead now... Mellow
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#37 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:09 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Some of our "finest minds" here, have stated that the mishandling of classified material is grounds for imprisonment. No questions asked.


Sharing information with known allies is one thing. Purposely putting it out there on an unsecured server for ANYONE to have is treason.

I hope this helps clear things up for you.
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#38 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:20 PM EST
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True. . True... but Obama told the FBI to leave her alone so it never happened. .. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:22 PM EST
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Purposely sharing classified data with someone who is not cleared to receive it.

Y'all are ok with this?
DrafterX Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:42 PM EST
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Do we know what it was. .?? I could answer better if I knew... if it was, 'hey man, we're gonna drop a bomb over there so you might wanna duck', then ya, I'm ok with that.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:47 PM EST
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As long as he had clearance to do so
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:51 PM EST
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Clarence might not have been available. .. Mellow
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#43 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 9:59 PM EST
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Was it that bell ringing thing?
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:03 PM EST
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I dunno. . Somethin took a toll tho... Mellow
banderl Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:21 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Sharing information with known allies is one thing. Purposely putting it out there on an unsecured server for ANYONE to have is treason.

I hope this helps clear things up for you.



Tell that to the CIA agents endangered because of this ahole's reckless acts.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:27 PM EST
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Speculation. ... ask the family of the Iranian doctor who was executed because of Hillary's private illegal server... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:47 PM EST
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I heard classified is more of a suggestion than anything
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:51 PM EST
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That's what Hillary wants you to think... you drank Hillary's juice huh... Mellow
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#49 Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2016, 10:54 PM EST
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But c'mon, the comparison is silly. .. at least until we know the details. . And this happened under Obama's watch... so maybe he's the one lacks on classified stuff. .. Mellow
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#50 Posted: Sat, Dec 17 2016, 12:25 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
Tell that to the CIA agents endangered because of this ahole's reckless acts.


I thought you said previously that you didn't have a problem with it but that his bosses did. Guess that was your way of slinging stuff and then saying "who me?".
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