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Trump's Press Conference
tailgater Offline
#101 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
How soon we forget...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama


I won't open the link, but if you're trying to show there was racism in America pre-Obama, then yeah. I know.
And if you're trying to show that Obama was met with racist resistance. Again, Duh.

What I'm saying is that Obama not only did nothing to improve race relations, his words, actions and inaction has actually made it worse after 8 years.

Maybe it's just perception, magnifide through social media.
But I don't recall ever talking about race the way we do now. EVERYTHING is now tied to race.


ZRX1200 Offline
#102 Posted:
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Al, is that like the plants at Tea Party rallies?
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted:
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Yea the teabaggers sure like gardening.
delta1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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I don't think racism is worse today than when Obama took office. He may have done more for improving race relations than he's given credit for, and that may only become apparent after a few years. One current indicator is his approval rating as he leaves office. Rasmussen pegs his approval at about 60%, a number that far exceeds the number of minorities in the U.S.A., and has only happened a few times with other two term Presidents. So some white people think he did a decent job. The fact that he survived 8 years without any help, no, with total obstruction if we're being honest, from the opposing party and actually lifted America from near catastrophe, will probably be looked upon favorably by later generations. He will provide an example to future Americans that someone other than a white man can lead this great country.

Although I don't personally like Mr. Trump, I hope he can be viewed as highly as Obama after his Presidency. That means that he will have had a successful run, which means that America will be a better place.
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted:
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I don't remember the BLM thing before Obama... Cops getting shot almost everyday wasn't happening either... just sayin... Mellow
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#106 Posted:
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"If I had a son he would look like Travon" I guess there is nothing divisive about that statement. Nor would sending high ranking government officials to Ferguson to hold hands and sing kumbaya because a black criminal thug got shot trying to beat a white police officer in his car.

Those cases and others were racially charged. The ........ took the low ground in each of them. Not to mention his hiring of the most rascist Attorney General in the history of the US.
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#107 Posted:
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he was acting stupidly... Mellow
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#108 Posted:
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He definitely didn't play that issue down the middle and did not balance his duty as commander and chief and minority advocate very well. He very much embraced the latter more than the former in this arena. He may have felt he had to given the historic win, and pressure from the community, but I agree he didn't do it well and things are more volatile than they were in my opinion. But maybe you also have to break a few eggs and maybe they are just more visibly volatile and we are seeing what has been there all along.

I don't know. I don't see much interest in understanding other views or coming together from any side.
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#109 Posted:
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I think TW hit on what I was gonna say. The existence of organizations like BLM now doesn't mean the problem didn't exist before... just that they were too afraid of repercussions to point it out.

I think we're seeing groups start to stick up for themselves when previously they didn't. As a white guy the easy route is to assume there must not have been a problem before these groups. But that's just because we never would have a reason to see it.
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#110 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I think TW hit on what I was gonna say. The existence of organizations like BLM now doesn't mean the problem didn't exist before... just that they were too afraid of repercussions to point it out.


Of course the problem (racism) existed before. Nobody claims Obama invented it.
But to say that groups were "afraid of repercussions"? that's pure BS.
There are so many black-centric organizations that BLM was just one more. Until they started riots and became news worthy.
that's not fearing repercussions. That's thuggery. And it would be separate from the Obama administration if Obama denounced them in any fashion.
Silence can be deafening. and the things our sitting President chose to speak out against and what he remained silent speaks volumes about his true (lack of) character.
In my opinion.



victor809 wrote:
I think we're seeing groups start to stick up for themselves when previously they didn't. As a white guy the easy route is to assume there must not have been a problem before these groups. But that's just because we never would have a reason to see it.


Nice use of white guilt.

Look, if you want to legitimize the liberal rhetoric, fine.
Just don't expect to be taken seriously.
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#111 Posted:
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... dude. I just can't fathom how you're having such a problem with this.

The purpose of BLM was pretty clear. And it came into existence due to actual problems that were occurring.

Guess what... those problems existed long before BLM existed. And likely a large reason for the timing is simply the ubiquity of cellphone video to allow blacks to provide video evidence of their claims.

You want to delegitimize all of BLM because of rioting... that's not smart. The problem exists and will continue to exist until it's fixed. Rioting may not solve the problem but neither does pretending to ignore it because your delicate sensibilities are offended by their method of bringing it to your attention.
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#112 Posted:
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Think

but true rioting is illegal... your saying it's justifiable to make a point..?? Do you really think the people actually rioting give a chit or just want a new tv..?? Think
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#113 Posted:
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I didn't say it's justified. You read that into my statement.

I said rioting and misbehavior doesn't make the root problem disappear and it's not smart to dismiss an issue just because the method of bringing it to light is rioting.
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#114 Posted:
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Let's say tail shoots my dog.

I may respond to that in a number of different ways. I may just file a police report and follow the legal route.
Or I may poop on his doorstep.

One method of brining the issue to the attention of authority is legal the other isnt. They may have different levels of success or even different levels of satisfaction.

Neither impacts the severity of the issue.
DrafterX Offline
#115 Posted:
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Why does Tail hate your puppy-dog..?? Huh
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#116 Posted:
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Tail hates all puppy dogs.
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#117 Posted:
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OhMyGod
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#118 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I won't open the link, but if you're trying to show there was racism in America pre-Obama, then yeah. I know.
And if you're trying to show that Obama was met with racist resistance. Again, Duh.

What I'm saying is that Obama not only did nothing to improve race relations, his words, actions and inaction has actually made it worse after 8 years.




As in the white "racist" cop involved in the "racist" arrest of Henry Gates, the black Harvard professor(and personal friend of Obama) who was arrested trying to break into a house(his own home as it turned out.) But while the cop gathered the info to determine that it was Gates' home, he was met with attitude and derision from Gates, he got aggravated and placed Gates into custody until he could gather the needed information without Gates'es (????) interference.

Without having any real information about the incident, other than it was a black man (and Friend of Obama) and a white cop, on July 22,2009, Obama was making statements like, " I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact."

President Obama appeared unannounced at a White House press briefing on July 24, and said, "I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically – and I could have calibrated those words differently." Also, that "I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well."

And then the "BEER SUMMIT"..............and then racially everything was......well, we all know how everything has been since then
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted:
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You forgot to mention Gates' comments about the cops momma... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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reading post 118 makes me wonder why anyone is upset with Obama.
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#121 Posted:
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He tried to make it better. .. but it prolly wouldn't have an issue if the professor had cooperated a little bit. .. Mellow
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#122 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I think TW hit on what I was gonna say. The existence of organizations like BLM now doesn't mean the problem didn't exist before... just that they were too afraid of repercussions to point it out.

I think we're seeing groups start to stick up for themselves when previously they didn't. As a white guy the easy route is to assume there must not have been a problem before these groups. But that's just because we never would have a reason to see it.



Dude you really need a Grande Espresso so you can up wake up and refrain from post ludicrous crap like that.

Shame on you
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#123 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... dude. I just can't fathom how you're having such a problem with this.

The purpose of BLM was pretty clear. And it came into existence due to actual problems that were occurring.

Guess what... those problems existed long before BLM existed. And likely a large reason for the timing is simply the ubiquity of cellphone video to allow blacks to provide video evidence of their claims.

You want to delegitimize all of BLM because of rioting... that's not smart. The problem exists and will continue to exist until it's fixed. Rioting may not solve the problem but neither does pretending to ignore it because your delicate sensibilities are offended by their method of bringing it to your attention.



BLM came about because a certain group decided to interject racism where it was absent. The entire BLM movement was started because certain people felt that "innocent" black men were being killed by white officers. As time has shown, one can count with the fingers on one hand the number of innocent law-abiding blacks have been murdered by white police officers in the last few years.

Lump "Hands up, don't shoot" in the same category. As we now know the "gentle giant' was 1) not shot in the back, 2) didn't have his hands up and 3) wasn't so gentle.

I'm hearing authorities are waiting until after the Superbowl to release their findings in the Alton Sterling case in nearby Baton Rouge. One might ask why this would happen. If they are going to indict the officers wouldn't they have done that sooner than waiting later? Wouldn't that be a soothing effect for the BLM movement and their sympathizers???

Interesting to say the least.
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#124 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Let's say tail shoots my dog.

I may respond to that in a number of different ways. I may just file a police report and follow the legal route.
Or I may poop on his doorstep.

One method of brining the issue to the attention of authority is legal the other isnt. They may have different levels of success or even different levels of satisfaction.

Neither impacts the severity of the issue.


You might poop on his doorstep. I'd probably take the John Wayne route.

What's recipe for brining something to the authorities? I'm always looking to try out new tastes.
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#125 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
He tried to make it better. .. but it prolly wouldn't have an issue if the professor had cooperated a little bit. .. Mellow


Yep, a black man creates a national event that serves to once again divide races and Obama invites the two over for a beer. Had the cop profiled him and called him a n....r I'm sure Obama would have had them over for that same beer laden circle jerk.
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#126 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
He tried to make it better. .. but it prolly wouldn't have an issue if the professor had cooperated a little bit. .. Mellow

no argument, but I know that all kinds of people get upset when cops pull them over and they really were speeding. Cuss them out, tell them they'll see them in court...basically saying they suck at their job even though the cop did the job correctly.

But Gates really was at his own house. His reaction may have been normal, we'll never know.

I'm pretty sure I would not have gone off on the officer if it happened at my home, and I doubt the Cambridge cop had race in mind...perhaps Gates was being opportunistic, no one knows despite certainty on c-bid, but rereading Obama's words makes him sound kind of normal.

To me, not much of an example of widening the racial divide.
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#127 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
no argument, but I know that all kinds of people get upset when cops pull them over and they really were speeding. Cuss them out, tell them they'll see them in court...basically saying they suck at their job even though the cop did the job correctly.

But Gates really was at his own house. His reaction may have been normal, we'll never know.

I'm pretty sure I would not have gone off on the officer if it happened at my home, and I doubt the Cambridge cop had race in mind...perhaps Gates was being opportunistic, no one knows despite certainty on c-bid, but rereading Obama's words makes him sound kind of normal.

To me, not much of an example of widening the racial divide.


Gates knew exactly what he was doing.
He's a smart dude.
A professor, I hear.

It was on purpose. To provoke a reaction. To make some kind of twisted point.

Same thing with BLM.

White cops kill black dudes.
OK. That's bad.
But they generally aren't shooting the choir boys, or even the bad actors who comply.
They shoot the Michael Brown's of the world. The one's who push the envelope. On armed law enforcement. To the point where the officer feels threatened.

It's a taboo subject. Because if you say the cop was justified it appears that you don't care about the dead guy.
But BLM wants to push an agenda.
By rioting.

And our president would rather chastise cops doing their job in Cambridge, then publicly condemn the BLM riots.
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#128 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... dude. I just can't fathom how you're having such a problem with this.

The purpose of BLM was pretty clear. And it came into existence due to actual problems that were occurring.

Guess what... those problems existed long before BLM existed. And likely a large reason for the timing is simply the ubiquity of cellphone video to allow blacks to provide video evidence of their claims.

You want to delegitimize all of BLM because of rioting... that's not smart. The problem exists and will continue to exist until it's fixed. Rioting may not solve the problem but neither does pretending to ignore it because your delicate sensibilities are offended by their method of bringing it to your attention.


Obama spoke out against Cambridge police doing their job.
He made a bigger deal out of that incident then he did about the BLM riots.

But because he didn't CREATE racism I guess we shouldn't blame him for failing relations.

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#129 Posted:
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Why do you hate puppy-dogs.. ?? Mad
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#130 Posted:
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Race riots are not a new phenomena, not only in the U.S., but many other places where an oppressive majority mistreats and creates a hopeless environment for a weak minority. I'm no expert, but I think Obama's reaction may have diffused the potential severity of the riots in response to police shootings.

Did anyone notice the difference between the police response to the occupy movement and the black protests? Occupy resulted in total reform of police tactics towards citizen protests and freedom of speech. Communication, free speech zones, identify and meet regularly with protest leaders, no military style tactics, etc. Occupy had majority white protestors...
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#131 Posted:
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Well, Dallas mighta influenced that.. Mellow
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Race riots are not a new phenomena, not only in the U.S., but many other places where an oppressive majority mistreats and creates a hopeless environment for a weak minority. I'm no expert, but I think Obama's reaction may have diffused the potential severity of the riots in response to police shootings.

Did anyone notice the difference between the police response to the occupy movement and the black protests? Occupy resulted in total reform of police tactics towards citizen protests and freedom of speech. Communication, free speech zones, identify and meet regularly with protest leaders, no military style tactics, etc. Occupy had majority white protestors...


A. I hated the occupy movement.
B. The occupy movement was not a riot.

Next.


tailgater Offline
#133 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Why do you hate puppy-dogs.. ?? Mad


Fake news, man.
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#134 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Fake news, man.

I got fooled.
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#135 Posted:
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I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
tailgater Offline
#136 Posted:
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Meet the new boss.

Same as the old boss.


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