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Has CNN had their Dan Rather moment???
Abrignac Offline
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Doesn't look like there will be much of a relationship between the incoming Whitehouse and CNN.
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Abrignac wrote:
Doesn't look like there will be much of a relationship between the incoming Whitehouse and CNN.




No it doesn't

I absolutely loved the way he ( Pres. Elect Trump ) shut down the big mouth from the Clinton News Network in the front row!!!!!
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That was INTENSE!!!

Victor809....>>> after TRUMP's EL DUCHE'
HAND SIGNAL for...
"Get me more PASTA"...
Which you mis-interpreted....

He gave the ...
THUMB TOUCHES MIDDLE FINGER WHILE THE
INDEX FINGER POINTS DIRECTLY UP ^^^
After that CNN REPORTER YELLED AT HIM...
TRUMP WAS "GREENLIGHTING" the
CNN REPORTER...
Not me...by ft
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interesting response

(CNN)CNN's decision to publish carefully sourced reporting about the operations of our government is vastly different than Buzzfeed's decision to publish unsubstantiated memos. The Trump team knows this. They are using Buzzfeed's decision to deflect from CNN's reporting, which has been matched by the other major news organizations.

We are fully confident in our reporting. It represents the core of what the First Amendment protects, informing the people of the inner workings of their government; in this case, briefing materials prepared for President Obama and President-elect Trump last week.

We made it clear that we were not publishing any of the details of the 35-page document because we have not corroborated the report's allegations. Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.
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LMAO
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BuzzFeed and Clinton News Network are both excellent sources.
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teedubbya wrote:


We made it clear that we were not publishing any of the details of the 35-page document because we have not corroborated the report's allegations. Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.


So CNN has a report of dubious authenticity, and they want the incoming White House team to corroborate it?

It would have been brilliant if they had succeeded.
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teedubbya wrote:
interesting response

(CNN)CNN's decision to publish carefully sourced reporting about the operations of our government is vastly different than Buzzfeed's decision to publish unsubstantiated memos. The Trump team knows this. They are using Buzzfeed's decision to deflect from CNN's reporting, which has been matched by the other major news organizations.

We are fully confident in our reporting. It represents the core of what the First Amendment protects, informing the people of the inner workings of their government; in this case, briefing materials prepared for President Obama and President-elect Trump last week.

We made it clear that we were not publishing any of the details of the 35-page document because we have not corroborated the report's allegations. Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.


I'm not sure what part of "all of it" they didn't understand. Oops, it came from Trump himself, not the transition team so it doesn't count.
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So Jakes Tapper, another POS reporter, has tweeted that Mark Coen (a Trump Lawyer) was in fact not in Prague as they alleged talking to agents. This after Coen produced evidence of his whereabouts and said he'd in fact never been to Prague. They nevery even bothered trying to call him.......this is how hard they tried to verify their info.

Keep swinging boys.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
So Jakes Tapper, another POS reporter, has tweeted that Mark Coen (a Trump Lawyer) was in fact not in Prague as they alleged talking to agents. This after Coen produced evidence of his whereabouts and said he'd in fact never been to Prague. They nevery even bothered trying to call him.......this is how hard they tried to verify their info.

Keep swinging boys.


Fix this
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Tail and abrig my understanding is CNN was reporting on the intel agency briefing obama and trump on Russia floating the dossier story, not the content or merit of. I think this is actually accurate and not of dubious accuracy. Buzz feed did something completely different and sloppy (much like wikileaks)

Lumping them in with buzz feed et al is disingenuous at best, but it is what Trump wants. I think some are being mentally lazy or selective. IDGAF about CNN, and know some don't care about the truth, but it seems to me we are on a slippery slope.
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some of the difference

CNN reported Tuesday night that the heads of all four U.S. intelligence agencies presented both Trump and President Obama a two-page synopsis that included allegations that Russian intelligence operatives collected compromising personal and financial information about him. (so far seems true)

BuzzFeed subsequently published what it said was the unverified 35-page dossier, reportedly compiled by a former British intelligence operative, on which the synopsis was in part based. (not so true)

BuzzFeed noted that the dossier contained clear errors, and the outlet’s decision to publish it sparked debates about whether it was ethical to do so. Among other things, the dossier claimed that Russian intelligence operatives filmed Trump with prostitutes in hotel rooms. (not so true and slimy)
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teedubbya wrote:
Tail and abrig my understanding is CNN was reporting on the intel agency briefing obama and trump on Russia floating the dossier story, not the content or merit of. I think this is actually accurate and not of dubious accuracy. Buzz feed did something completely different and sloppy (much like wikileaks)

Lumping them in with buzz feed et al is disingenuous at best, but it is what Trump wants. I think some are being mentally lazy or selective. IDGAF about CNN, and know some don't care about the truth, but it seems to me we are on a slippery slope.





.......Damn I finally figured it out TW must stand for Truth Warrior!!!! Got it Beer

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TMCTLT wrote:
.......Damn I finally figured it out TW must stand for Truth Warrior!!!! Got it Beer




TMCLT the truth isn't important to you? It is to me. Regardless of which side.

I am uneasy when a dem or republican pretty clearly and blatantly bends the hell out of the truth for their benefit. If it were just a game and a gotcha thing I'd prolly enjoy it. but it's serious and I am truly worried about our direction.

they both do it, I don't justify either. i understand wanting to hit back and playing the game but think it's short sighted. if the truth doesn't matter and our government can not be trusted on anything at all cost (not everything, and not without skepticism or ultimately verification when appropriate) and foreign governments are more credible than our own then that's a dangerous mix and one that could ruin this great country.
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You can't handle the TRUTH..!! Mad
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DrafterX wrote:
You can't handle the TRUTH..!! Mad



ok ok I drank the code red
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We can all agree that both sides lie...but one who is honest must accept facts when confronted with them. If we can't agree that 1+1 = 2, then we'll never accomplish anything. I don't believe that the process of politics is a zero sum game. It is possible to find win-win solutions to our problems but only if both sides honestly want to do that. I am afraid that politics has become an "I win - you lose" and "If you win - I lose" way of life.
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Watch Fox News Defend Rival CNN Against Donald Trump’s ‘Fake News’ Claim (Video)
Brian Flood
5 hours ago
Fox News anchor Shepard Smith defended CNN on Wednesday after Donald Trump accused the network of being “fake news” at a news conference for reporting on the existence of a Russian dossier of unverified allegations about the president-elect.

“President-elect Trump today told CNN’s Jim Acosta that his organization amounts to fake news. CNN’s exclusive reporting on the Russian matter was separate and distinctly different from the document dump executed by an online news property,” Smith said, drawing a distinction between CNN’s reporting and that of BuzzFeed News, which released the entire contents of the Russian dossier.


“Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN’s report, it is our observation that its correspondents followed journalistic standards,” Smith said. “Neither they, nor any other journalists, should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States.”
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I think the pres-elect succesfully trolled cnn... it'd be like me insisting that hank is a pot smoking athiest... of course he's not a pot smoking athiest... the accusation is so outlandish, it should obviously be ignored... and hank would probably ignore it... but cnn just couldn't,,,
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And you are not going to be president
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HEY
Blowhards..

Please
Shorten
Your
Falseto
Cerebral
Responses
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teedubbya wrote:
And you are not going to be president

whaaaaaaaaat!?
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teedubbya wrote:
ok ok I drank the code red


I thought you swallowed the sword.
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Maybe Mr Jones can talk about operation Mockingbird and operation Northwoods.
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teedubbya wrote:
Tail and abrig my understanding is CNN was reporting on the intel agency briefing obama and trump on Russia floating the dossier story, not the content or merit of. I think this is actually accurate and not of dubious accuracy. Buzz feed did something completely different and sloppy (much like wikileaks)

Lumping them in with buzz feed et al is disingenuous at best, but it is what Trump wants. I think some are being mentally lazy or selective. IDGAF about CNN, and know some don't care about the truth, but it seems to me we are on a slippery slope.


TW, I was referencing the CNN article that you posted.
CNN admits to not corroborating the 35 page report. They wanted Trump to do that for them by detailing the specific items that were not true.
CNN.
Not Buzzfeed or momsbasementblog.com
CNN.

Using their logic, they could simply send a fabricated story to the white house and demand the president tell them how it's not true. This could be done time and again, until the white house refuses to respond. At which point the story would be deemed true because it wasn't denied. In detail. As per the request of CNN.

It's completely bogus and they are showing their contempt and bias and lack of journalistic ethics.
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tailgater wrote:
TW, I was referencing the CNN article that you posted.
CNN admits to not corroborating the 35 page report. They wanted Trump to do that for them by detailing the specific items that were not true.
CNN.
Not Buzzfeed or momsbasementblog.com
CNN.

Using their logic, they could simply send a fabricated story to the white house and demand the president tell them how it's not true. This could be done time and again, until the white house refuses to respond. At which point the story would be deemed true because it wasn't denied. In detail. As per the request of CNN.

It's completely bogus and they are showing their contempt and bias and lack of journalistic ethics.



I don't think you are following. They reported Trump was briefed on the subject (which he was). No more, no less. That's all they reported and the corroboration they requested because Trump lumped them in with buzzfeed which is incorrect. They did not do what buzzfeed did.



And they were right and accurate. There is an intentional blurring that is apparently working. To be honest I think some folks just hate this or that so the truth doesn't matter.
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The truth is dead TW.

Sensational headlines with little in common with the actual text of the article started killing it.... tiny "news" outlets with little to no oversight on their journalistic integrity but the ability to be passed along your creepy uncles Facebook feed put the final stake in it.

Now idiots believe blogs over corroborated news and are proud of it...
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I heard CNN get's it's news from tiny "news" outlets with little to no oversight on their journalistic integrity... Mellow
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... but I thought you believed fox news? They say the opposite.
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just what I heard... Mellow
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Using their logic, they could simply send a fabricated story to the white house and demand the president tell them how it's not true. This could be done time and again, until the white house refuses to respond. At which point the story would be deemed true because it wasn't denied. In detail. As per the request of CNN.

why did this make me think of birth certificates and college degrees? Gay bath houses etc.

point being, neither side owns the high road, but continuing this behavior (no matter left or right) keeps problems from being solved.
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frankj1 wrote:
........ continuing this behavior (no matter left or right) keeps problems from being solved.


This implies that someone (media or politician?) aims to actually solve problems
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frankj1 wrote:
Using their logic, they could simply send a fabricated story to the white house and demand the president tell them how it's not true. This could be done time and again, until the white house refuses to respond. At which point the story would be deemed true because it wasn't denied. In detail. As per the request of CNN.

why did this make me think of birth certificates and college degrees? Gay bath houses etc.

point being, neither side owns the high road, but continuing this behavior (no matter left or right) keeps problems from being solved.



I agree. Except in this one instance they are not asking Trump to confirm or deny what is in the file. Just the fact that the intel community briefed him on the existence of a file. And their reason for doing so is what they reported was already verified and proven and Trump denied it, called them false news as a result and tried to make it look like they did what buzz feed did.



But I get what you are saying. We are at a time where truth and decency are not relevant.
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sorry, the first paragraph was a quote from my buddy tailgater (#25),

the two sentences that follow were my response
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Got it
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frankj1 wrote:
Using their logic, they could simply send a fabricated story to the white house and demand the president tell them how it's not true. This could be done time and again, until the white house refuses to respond. At which point the story would be deemed true because it wasn't denied. In detail. As per the request of CNN.

why did this make me think of birth certificates and college degrees? Gay bath houses etc.

point being, neither side owns the high road, but continuing this behavior (no matter left or right) keeps problems from being solved.


It is exactly like the birther thing, my friend.
I ignored the birther movement, until one day I thought: Why doesn't he just show his birth certificate?
I'm guilty.
Doesn't mean I want to perpetuate that type of nonsense.
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frankj1 wrote:
sorry, the first paragraph was a quote from my buddy tailgater (#25),

the two sentences that follow were my response


Don't quote me, bro.

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teedubbya wrote:
I agree. Except in this one instance they are not asking Trump to confirm or deny what is in the file. Just the fact that the intel community briefed him on the existence of a file. And their reason for doing so is what they reported was already verified and proven and Trump denied it, called them false news as a result and tried to make it look like they did what buzz feed did.


That highlighted part.
What are you talking about, specifically?
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tailgater wrote:
It is exactly like the birther thing, my friend.
I ignored the birther movement, until one day I thought: Why doesn't he just show his birth certificate?
I'm guilty.
Doesn't mean I want to perpetuate that type of nonsense.

then don't let them make you think that.
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't think you are following. They reported Trump was briefed on the subject (which he was). No more, no less. That's all they reported and the corroboration they requested because Trump lumped them in with buzzfeed which is incorrect. They did not do what buzzfeed did.



And they were right and accurate. There is an intentional blurring that is apparently working. To be honest I think some folks just hate this or that so the truth doesn't matter.


Horse 💩. CNN ran a story about a briefing that included some baseless report. A report that Obama himself dismissed and stated it had no place on the table. This wasn't a news item. It was an attempt to smear Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said earlier, I think the Trump Whitehouse should not issue any CNN reporter a press credential. They don't deserve one.
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Here is my take. I reserve the right to be just as wrong as anyone else.

They reported it straight. The IC did have that breifing. The Trump team flat out lied multiple times and said it didn't happen. That is why all outlets are now verifying it did happen and why it is relevant news. That is also why even FOX is backing CNN. Strange bedfellows.

If you take a close look at it they were careful to also report that the IC indicated the specific content of the file that the briefing was on was not verified as accurate or inaccurate (the IC have not made any judgement on accuracy) and they specifically would not report on the content as a result. They still are not. They merely reported the breifing happened.

The legitimate story, and it is still a legitimate story that multiple legitimate outlets are reporting, is that the IC felt compelled to brief Trump, Obama etc on the Russians counter intel claims of having something on trump. To have that information (which is pure fact) and not report it would be bizarre.

If you look at the public written language coming out the IC they are neither calling the actual file accurate or inaccurate. Trump is saying they are calling or confirming it is inaccurate. Their written words don't seem to line up with that, which is arguable, but I actually beleive the file is likely inaccurate and maybe even amateur hour.

CNN has not commented on the content of the file and has been careful to state repeatedly the veracity of the file itself is not established. Their reporting was straight, simple and stopped there.

It's the equivalent of saying Wikileaks did a data dump but the contents can't be authenticated. The straight report is the dump happened. To not report it would be silly. They just need to be clear and report what happened. That's exactly what they did. The IC and particularly Comey felt compelled to add an addendum to their report and brief trump on the existence of the file. That's news.

I have no doubt any reporter worth their salt would want to get their hands on the file and determine veracity if possible. Just like pouring through the Wikileaks stuff.

Buzzfeed apparantly dumped the documents which no one really knows if they really are the documents and if so if there is any merit to them or not. CNN has not and is not reporting on the content at all.

Trump lumped CNN in with buzz feed and treated them as such. In CNNs written response to Trump asking them to show what they reported wrong or corroborate or refute they are specifically referring to their reporting (not buzz feeds) and in that instance that means the fact that trump was briefed on the existence of such a file. Which he was.

IDGAF about CNN but theirs was straight reporting on an event that happened and did not veer in to the veracity or content of the file itself. I could tick off the top if my head many similar instances including hey wiki just dumped again. That reporting does and should happen every day.

I don't expect most in here to agree. The devil is in the detail and Trump is pretty good at blurring to his benefit.

Meh I guess we all beleive what we want to.
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If the IC had established the file was bogus the news would be

The IC met with Trump to breif him on the existence of a bogus file the Russians are floating around.

Unfortunately the IC has not established (and has specifically said as much) that and it can't be reported that way.

It's much adeu about nothing all the way around. I honestly don't find it to be a big deal and don't feel strongly about CNN one way or another. I don't love them nor do I find them to be the devil some in here make them out to be. I do think some pent up CNN hate might be clouding some filters though.

It will become clearer just like the Russian hacking some denied last weak has. Then we'll argue about something else equally as non important lol.
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By the way I understand why you view it like you do and respect that. I'm just explaining why I view it the way I do. I also recognize neither of us has all the facts or is all that lol.
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Clearly TW is in the pocket of big media.
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teedubbya wrote:
If the IC had established the file was bogus the news would be

The IC met with Trump to breif him on the existence of a bogus file the Russians are floating around.

Unfortunately the IC has not established (and has specifically said as much) that and it can't be reported that way.

It's much adeu about nothing all the way around. I honestly don't find it to be a big deal and don't feel strongly about CNN one way or another. I don't love them nor do I find them to be the devil some in here make them out to be. I do think some pent up CNN hate might be clouding some filters though.

It will become clearer just like the Russian hacking some denied last weak has. Then we'll argue about something else equally as non important lol.

that evidence I asked you for is finally available? great, let's see it... if it's become clearer, then clearly more evidence has come to light... otherwise, it's not more clear, you've just become more entrenched...
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That was specifically for you when I typed it :)

one of the last hold outs.
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teedubbya wrote:
Here is my take. I reserve the right to be just as wrong as anyone else.

They reported it straight. The IC did have that breifing. The Trump team flat out lied multiple times and said it didn't happen. That is why all outlets are now verifying it did happen and why it is relevant news. That is also why even FOX is backing CNN. Strange bedfellows.

If you take a close look at it they were careful to also report that the IC indicated the specific content of the file that the briefing was on was not verified as accurate or inaccurate (the IC have not made any judgement on accuracy) and they specifically would not report on the content as a result. They still are not. They merely reported the breifing happened.

The legitimate story, and it is still a legitimate story that multiple legitimate outlets are reporting, is that the IC felt compelled to brief Trump, Obama etc on the Russians counter intel claims of having something on trump. To have that information (which is pure fact) and not report it would be bizarre.

If you look at the public written language coming out the IC they are neither calling the actual file accurate or inaccurate. Trump is saying they are calling or confirming it is inaccurate. Their written words don't seem to line up with that, which is arguable, but I actually beleive the file is likely inaccurate and maybe even amateur hour.

CNN has not commented on the content of the file and has been careful to state repeatedly the veracity of the file itself is not established. Their reporting was straight, simple and stopped there.

It's the equivalent of saying Wikileaks did a data dump but the contents can't be authenticated. The straight report is the dump happened. To not report it would be silly. They just need to be clear and report what happened. That's exactly what they did. The IC and particularly Comey felt compelled to add an addendum to their report and brief trump on the existence of the file. That's news.

I have no doubt any reporter worth their salt would want to get their hands on the file and determine veracity if possible. Just like pouring through the Wikileaks stuff.

Buzzfeed apparantly dumped the documents which no one really knows if they really are the documents and if so if there is any merit to them or not. CNN has not and is not reporting on the content at all.

Trump lumped CNN in with buzz feed and treated them as such. In CNNs written response to Trump asking them to show what they reported wrong or corroborate or refute they are specifically referring to their reporting (not buzz feeds) and in that instance that means the fact that trump was briefed on the existence of such a file. Which he was.

IDGAF about CNN but theirs was straight reporting on an event that happened and did not veer in to the veracity or content of the file itself. I could tick off the top if my head many similar instances including hey wiki just dumped again. That reporting does and should happen every day.

I don't expect most in here to agree. The devil is in the detail and Trump is pretty good at blurring to his benefit.

Meh I guess we all beleive what we want to.


All the more to not report it. Doing so served absolutely no legitimate purpose. Think about it. Why does saying that someone was briefed on a completely unsubstantiated report. That would have been the same as if in 2009 CNN reported that they were in possession a report that claims that Obama phuked a goat.
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Only a holdout in the sense that i don't typically take anyone's word on anything when they are in a position to allegedly provide evidence for their words but refuse to do so...

What's the harm in taking the stance of "I won't be convinced until I've seen evidence"?
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Maybe they shoulda just said, "If we tell ya, we gotta kill ya"
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Well i guess i don't need evidence that bad...
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