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Racism or realism ?
Covfireman Offline
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A couple weeks ago a new family moved into my condo complex . Not to big of a deal 20th the snowbirds coming back . What was unusual was the cursing and shouting , a moving van blocking the street instead of allowing room for other vehicles to pass, and loud music blaring from an unattended vehicle . My thought was" here goes the neighborhood ".

Is that racism or realism ?

If one of the family members who moved in has already been arrested for attempted murder , at least 2 domestic call before the shooting does it still make it racism ?

ZRX1200 Offline
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Move to Colorado.
Speyside Offline
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Why would you consider it racism?
bgz Offline
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Were they harassing you because you were white?
Mithrandir Offline
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If that was a college age fraternity group of white young men moving in I would bet you would say the same thing. Really tired of political correctness. Make America Great Again baby!fog
Brewha Offline
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These things are about class, not race.

Knuckle draggers come in every color.....
Brewha Offline
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Mithrandir wrote:
..... Make America Great Again baby!fog

America is already great.

Of course, after yesterday, not so much....
Mithrandir Offline
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Brewha wrote:
America is already great.

Of course, after yesterday, not so much....


Time reveals all....I can waitHerfing
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I read newsweek... time is too pushy, what with their "wait for no man" policy and such...
DrafterX Offline
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You'll get your 20 bucks back Brewha... Laugh
Covfireman Offline
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Statistically the crime rate increased 300% . I liked the assumptions some people made in ever stated anyone's race .

What it also has done is increased my perception and from what I hear from my neighbors about the stereotypes. I understand it's environment most of the time that causes poor social behavior. I'm going to put the race problem back on the black community. Until everyone starts to teach their children how to behave in public you'll have problems like this . If you take every stereotype that you hear this family exhibits them .


teedubbya Offline
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My assumption was you parked the uhaul in the wrong place and all of your new neighbors were mad.
Speyside Offline
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LMAO! You didn't even stir things up good.
tailgater Offline
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Wait.
What'd I miss?
dstieger Offline
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My old man (RIP) used to make his racist heart feel just a little bit better in just the same way....pick out a particularly vile individual to hate on...."I'm not a racist. I'd hate him even if he was white.".....kinda like when he'd say, "Hell, I've got plenty of black friends - I'm not racist"...in the same conversation that he'd condemn integration.....he was a good, maybe great man...but, despite all his protestations, he was, indeed, a racist...."this neighborhood sure was a lot better before"....Before what, Dad? Before the coloreds move near?....."I didn't mean that....just 'before'......poor guy truly believed he could be unbiased
delta1 Offline
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Yep, it was OK then, to be racist, and most everybody was. Heck, even President Truman, the great Truman, uttered a number of racist statements, in public. One if the most famous Truman quotes: "I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n**er or a Chinaman” – President Harry Truman

Trump seems pale in comparison, but, let me tell you, he is great at division, believe me...oh wait, can
"Mexicans are rapists" be topped?
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I'm sure it can be if we take other presidents quotes out of context too... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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dstieger wrote:
My old man (RIP) used to make his racist heart feel just a little bit better in just the same way....pick out a particularly vile individual to hate on...."I'm not a racist. I'd hate him even if he was white.".....kinda like when he'd say, "Hell, I've got plenty of black friends - I'm not racist"...in the same conversation that he'd condemn integration.....he was a good, maybe great man...but, despite all his protestations, he was, indeed, a racist...."this neighborhood sure was a lot better before"....Before what, Dad? Before the coloreds move near?....."I didn't mean that....just 'before'......poor guy truly believed he could be unbiased


This will sound silly, but what if the neighborhood WAS better "before"?

If the blacks represented a lower economic class then wouldn't their integration into the neighborhood bring property values down regardless of their skin color?

Seeing reality and stating facts that are mathematically accurate does not make you racist. Using it as an excuse to discredit that segment of the population does.

Unfortunately, today's liberals don't see the difference.



dstieger Offline
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I can't be certain, but I don't think he was talking about property values....He also once said that integrated schools had the likely outcome of pulling down the top performing white kids as the school systems dumb down the curriculum to the lowest common denominator. Factual? Or racist?
tailgater Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I can't be certain, but I don't think he was talking about property values....He also once said that integrated schools had the likely outcome of pulling down the top performing white kids as the school systems dumb down the curriculum to the lowest common denominator. Factual? Or racist?



It's a racist comment because it makes the assumption that the integrated minorities will be less intelligent.

Schools do dumb things down to the LCD, but it's not based on race. Just stoopidness.

gummy jones Offline
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cov they sound like awful people
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tailgater wrote:
This will sound silly, but what if the neighborhood WAS better "before"?

If the blacks represented a lower economic class then wouldn't their integration into the neighborhood bring property values down regardless of their skin color?

Seeing reality and stating facts that are mathematically accurate does not make you racist. Using it as an excuse to discredit that segment of the population does.

Unfortunately, today's liberals don't see the difference.




property values would go down if the "old" neighbors sold their homes for less
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tailgater wrote:
It's a racist comment because it makes the assumption that the integrated minorities will be less intelligent.

Schools do dumb things down to the LCD, but it's not based on race. Just stoopidness.



And that denominator is way too low.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
property values would go down if the "old" neighbors sold their homes for less


backwards.
They would sell their properties for less if the property values were down.

Nobody just "decides" to sell for less.

Plus, I think they all had aluminum and vinyl siding. Nothing ruins value so quickly. Or so I heard.

teedubbya Offline
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I actually do remember a conversation our neighbors had prior to the first black family (gordon and Druecilla) moving in to our neighborhood in the early 80s. It was all about property values and if it could be stopped.

I also remember watching the police make a black man "move along" from a bench outside a grocery store when all he was doing is waiting for his wife to shop. After a commotion he went in to get his wife and they left without their groceries.

We like to point out that everything is not prejudice or discrimination which is true. But that doesn't change that some things are.
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually do remember a conversation our neighbors had prior to the first black family (gordon and Druecilla) moving in to our neighborhood in the early 80s. It was all about property values and if it could be stopped.

I also remember watching the police make a black man "move along" from a bench outside a grocery store when all he was doing is waiting for his wife to shop. After a commotion he went in to get his wife and they left without their groceries.

We like to point out that everything is not prejudice or discrimination which is true. But that doesn't change that some things are.


So TW's neighbor is prejudice, so therefore any talk of how the neighborhood was in the "old days" is racist.

I know that that's not what you mean, but that's what we're being fed.

People feel the need to be "careful" with their word choice, because saying things or remembering better times could be construed as being insensitive.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

We should abandon the Pledge of Allegiance and instead read aloud a single mantra:
Some people are racist, but that doesn't mean everything is racist.




dstieger Offline
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tailgater wrote:


We should abandon the Pledge of Allegiance and instead read aloud a single mantra:
Some people are racist, but that doesn't mean everything is racist.







I'm ok with that....its just a good thing you didn't say:

"Some people are racist, but that doesn't mean everything under god is racist."
delta1 Offline
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The images from the crowds during the inauguration and all the celebratory events that day, contrasted with the crowds the next day, in size, diversity and location, speaks volumes...

...and the images that give one the most comfort is worth at least a thousand words...
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
The images from the crowds during the inauguration and all the celebratory events that day, contrasted with the crowds the next day, in size, diversity and location, speaks volumes...

...and the images that give one the most comfort is worth at least a thousand words...


Yet, it was the inauguration that spoke about bringing people together.

The women's march shouted about "love", but were violently attacking anyone who didn't embrace their every effort.
It was the women's march that brought a message of violence (Madonna) and hatred (Ashley Judd).
It was the women's march that left a mess in the form of signs. Tossed aside when they no longer served their purpose.

Don't let a few photos paint the picture for you.
Venom was spilled on the ground, but it was all on Saturday.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
backwards.
They would sell their properties for less if the property values were down.

Nobody just "decides" to sell for less.

Plus, I think they all had aluminum and vinyl siding. Nothing ruins value so quickly. Or so I heard.


but how could values go down until a couple sold too low in the neighborhood?
less demand/high supply in normal situations, though that has not happened too often until recently in real estate.

But right in Boston, as you know, we had a panic market created by banks and realtors after a few black families moved in back in the 50's and 60's. It became known as White Flight and those homes stayed undervalued for decades.
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually do remember a conversation our neighbors had prior to the first black family (gordon and Druecilla) moving in to our neighborhood in the early 80s. It was all about property values and if it could be stopped.

I also remember watching the police make a black man "move along" from a bench outside a grocery store when all he was doing is waiting for his wife to shop. After a commotion he went in to get his wife and they left without their groceries.

We like to point out that everything is not prejudice or discrimination which is true. But that doesn't change that some things are.

tailgater Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I'm ok with that....its just a good thing you didn't say:

"Some people are racist, but that doesn't mean everything under god is racist."


Herfing
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
but how could values go down until a couple sold too low in the neighborhood?
less demand/high supply in normal situations, though that has not happened too often until recently in real estate.

But right in Boston, as you know, we had a panic market created by banks and realtors after a few black families moved in back in the 50's and 60's. It became known as White Flight and those homes stayed undervalued for decades.


??
Frank, you know full well that values can plummet even without a single sale in a neighborhood.

As for racism in the 50s and 60s?
GASP!

But we still shouldn't be so quick to call those White Flighters racist.
Many of them may have left because of the plummeting property values, regardless of the reason.

Not saying this was the case, but if I saw my biggest investment (my house) doomed to plummet in value then I would move out. And I'd be pizzed if someone thought I did it just because black families were moving into the neighborhood.
I know it serves the liberal agenda, but we need to stop fabricating racism.

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tailgater wrote:
??
Frank, you know full well that values can plummet even without a single sale in a neighborhood.

As for racism in the 50s and 60s?
GASP!

But we still shouldn't be so quick to call those White Flighters racist.
Many of them may have left because of the plummeting property values, regardless of the reason.

Not saying this was the case, but if I saw my biggest investment (my house) doomed to plummet in value then I would move out. And I'd be pizzed if someone thought I did it just because black families were moving into the neighborhood.
I know it serves the liberal agenda, but we need to stop fabricating racism.


I agree with much, you are not surprised, but many families that fled Boston were not personally against integrated neighborhoods (no idea if they were libs or not), rather they left for fear of further price drops which in effect created further price drops.

Behind the scenes was where the racism festered as part of a nefarious plot by bankers and realtors to "place" the blacks who qualified for mortgages in selected neighborhoods... known as Red-Lining...which was most definitely racist and "proved" that one should fear black neighbors due to loss of home value.

If it happened here, I have a feeling, I'm believing it may have happened on a widespread basis in large cities. And no, that does not mean the sellers were racists, they were victims of a scam too.
tailgater Offline
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So you admit I'm right.
😉
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
So you admit I'm right.
😉

we likely have a ton in common on this and other issues, as you know. I'm glad you agree I am more right.

But I don't want you to think you slipped one by me so I'll just say "Vinyl is final".
delta1 Offline
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Call it what you want...but pre-60's CRA, my father, our family, our kind, non-whites, were prohibited by law from buying homes except in a few designated parts of L.A. Most cities had restrictions on selling property to non whites.

I sense there are people out there who thought that was when America was great...
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delta1 wrote:
Call it what you want...but pre-60's CRA, my father, our family, our kind, non-whites, were prohibited by law from buying homes except in a few designated parts of L.A. Most cities had restrictions on selling property to non whites.

close enough to be a point in my column.
Shameful.
delta1 Offline
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sorry I'm melting a little, but my butt hurts...
frankj1 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
sorry I'm melting a little, but my butt hurts...

you staying at the trailer with Z?
tonygraz Offline
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No, he broke a tooth. Angel
bgz Offline
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I think my neighbors on the right of me moved because of me.

I don't think it was cause I'm brown though, I think it's because I wouldn't kiss their azz like my predecessors.

Annoying ass neighbors.
frankj1 Offline
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are you a nice brown or an annoying brown?
dstieger Offline
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So...you weren't like..."what can brown do for you?"
Speyside Offline
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Is brown the new green?
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bgz wrote:
I think my neighbors on the right of me moved because of me.

I don't think it was cause I'm brown though, I think it's because I wouldn't kiss their azz like my predecessors.

Annoying ass neighbors.



I know one of my former neighbors to the left moved because of me- followed by a good one then another bad one and now back to very good.
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Man you must be really bad if leftists moved.
delta1 Offline
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bgz wrote:
I think my neighbors on the right of me moved because of me.

I don't think it was cause I'm brown though, I think it's because I wouldn't kiss their azz like my predecessors.

Annoying ass neighbors.



Reminds me of what the old black people I knew growing up said about how to get along...
delta1 Offline
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Relevant and interesting dialog about this topic in another thread in the "general" boards.

https://www.cigarbid.com...ditional-next-First-Lady
bgz Offline
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Wow, didn't think I would get that many responses on that, lol.

Well, I think it was more my dogs than me personally. My old neighbors when we bought the house, they had a pitbull that was crated when we looked at the house. Friendly dog, so I was wondering why, scratching my head.

Well, it didn't take me long, within a month, I had a nasty message on my door to do something about my barking dogs (they bark, but no more than any other NORMAL dogs). So... it pissed me off, and it was right around Christmas time... So I came up with a plan. I went, and bought a bunch of gifts, and went beating on all my neighbors doors giving them gifts until I found the a$$hole that did it.

Found em!

Then she says, well, maybe if you crate one of them (that's when I realized why the old home owner's pit was crated), I was like, nah, you'll just have to get over it. She was like, we were the first ones here before any other houses, blahblahblahblah. It's like lady... if you want to be isolated, you are going to have to dig in those pockets and buy a bigger plot of land.

Anyway, they called the police on me at one point, then I guess they sent one out and she called me and told me that she didn't hear a single dog the whole time she was sitting outside my house. Not just my dogs, but she didn't hear any dogs... period. I was like, that's cause they're a$$holes and they'll call you if they bark one time.

Anyway, they tried to screw with me a few other times... if she were to be able to get into my head, she would have found out much sooner that I just don't give AF. At one point the lady tried to talk to me, I was like... I have nothing to say to you. A few months later, they were gone.

The new neighbors are cool though.
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