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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/01/22/510984148/republican-plan-to-replace-obamacare-would-turn-medicaid-over-to-states?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

This from the party that was pushing that death panel bs!!


Oh my God this is hilarious... anyone depending on either ACA are Medicaid is going to be so boned if they implement this... by literally fixing the amount of money Medicaid has to spend annually they sure as hell are more aligned with any claims of "death panels" than the ACA ever was.

On the upside, the reduced population should help with environmental issues.
DrafterX Offline
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Didn't read the link but will this force some on da welfare to find a job..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
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Doubt it...
Likely just make some marginal people homeless... then I'll be able to kick them. And they won't be able to go to the hospital afterwards. Win win!
DrafterX Offline
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True... true... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Please Victor, we all knew the Right wanted this all along. They hate people in need - all of them.
victor809 Offline
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Oh I know... I mean, who doesn't hate the needy though? They're so.... needy.

But the hilarious hypocrisy of their hand wringing over death panels... then suggesting we just set a fixed amount for any procedures in a year... oh man... that's priceless.

The right is playing the lower class like a fiddle. A pitiful hate filled fiddle. I hope they enjoy the diabeetus related limb loss.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Medicaid is an unecessary crutch for the lazy... what do these people want? Are there no prisons? are there no work houses? and if they would rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population!
Brewha Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Oh I know... I mean, who doesn't hate the needy though? They're so.... needy.

But the hilarious hypocrisy of their hand wringing over death panels... then suggesting we just set a fixed amount for any procedures in a year... oh man... that's priceless.

The right is playing the lower class like a fiddle. A pitiful hate filled fiddle. I hope they enjoy the diabeetus related limb loss.

And those same lower class people ranted for years that Obamacare was destroying the nation. This is because without a free press and freedom of information there is no Democracy.

They sold a world class crook like Trump as the good guy over a "evil" career politician.

It's true you know - checkers does sell more than chess.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Medicaid is an unecessary crutch for the lazy... what do these people want? Are there no prisons? are there no work houses? and if they would rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population!

But for the grace of God, there go we all.....
victor809 Offline
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Heck... I never liked Obamacare. If I were younger something like that would have really hurt me. But their way of "fixing' things is going to be absolutely hilarious... (if they implement this)

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victor809 wrote:
Heck... I never liked Obamacare. If I were younger something like that would have really hurt me. But their way of "fixing' things is going to be absolutely hilarious... (if they implement this)


a lot of younger high earners opted to pay the penalty.
MACS Offline
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I still say health care is not a right. It is a service provided by people who were smart enough to obtain the proper education, and they deserve to be paid for their services.

Services should be paid for by the people receiving the service.
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MACS wrote:
I still say health care is not a right. It is a service provided by people who were smart enough to obtain the proper education, and they deserve to be paid for their services.

Services should be paid for by the people receiving the service.

heard recently that Methodist Hospital's (Brooklyn) Emergency Room turned a profit under Romneycare last year. They claimed it was because they now hardly ever treat people with the flu etc and actually turned over many true emergency medical situations of people with insurance for the first time in like ever.

I think we can afford that type of expense. I know you don't. Let's smoke cigars anyway.
tailgater Offline
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It's the two sides of the Very extreme that are screwing things up. There has to be a middle ground if only both sides could sit down and discuss it. But Obamacare was forced down our throats so now the GOP wants to do the same thing. I think the posturing by both sides could delay this and allow for an interim measure. At least I hope so. By the way I did not open the original link I'm basing my comments on all you fools.
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I get all my news here... Mellow
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tailgater wrote:
It's the two sides of the Very extreme that are screwing things up. There has to be a middle ground if only both sides could sit down and discuss it. But Obamacare was forced down our throats so now the GOP wants to do the same thing. I think the posturing by both sides could delay this and allow for an interim measure. At least I hope so. By the way I did not open the original link I'm basing my comments on all you fools.

I didn't open it either and still agree with you
victor809 Offline
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MACS, I agree. Unfortunately our hospitals refuse to allow people to simply die outside in the driveway. Maybe after the Medicare money gets tightened down into a fixed sum they'll finally see the light and just offer uninsured people a cyanide capsule or something at the waiting room.
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victor809 wrote:
MACS, I agree. Unfortunately our hospitals refuse to allow people to simply die outside in the driveway. Maybe after the Medicare money gets tightened down into a fixed sum they'll finally see the light and just offer uninsured people a cyanide capsule or something at the waiting room.

when will people realize you are not really a libtard?
DrafterX Offline
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Who's gonna pay for those..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Who's gonna pay for those..?? Huh

same people that have been paying for the millions of uninsured getting their sniffles checked at the ER for the last 50 years.
Better to have them go to doctor's offices. you'll see.
victor809 Offline
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... or kill them before they go and spend that money too...

Damn uninsured and poor.

It's cool though. We've got MACS. He's volunteered to help by shooting the sick uninsured in the head outside hospitals. (Don't worry MACS, the govt will reimburse your bullet cost)
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Laugh
MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
MACS, I agree. Unfortunately our hospitals refuse to allow people to simply die outside in the driveway. Maybe after the Medicare money gets tightened down into a fixed sum they'll finally see the light and just offer uninsured people a cyanide capsule or something at the waiting room.


As usual, taking things to the extreme, and implying things that were never said.

But hey, it's your thing, so go on.
victor809 Offline
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I didn't think you said it. I admit it... I totally volunteered you. But I don't know anyone else with a gun who could do the patriotic duty. I figured since you are cool with them not getting medical care without insurance you'd be willing to help with the mercy eliminations.

Id be willing to help but I don't own a gun...
DrafterX Offline
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Maybe you can get some of them boots with razor blades on the points... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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...but then they're just gonna be bleeding even more outside the hospital...
victor809 Offline
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...if only there were someplace they could get problems like that fixed....





....hahahhahahaha... I crack me up...
DrafterX Offline
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Me too... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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It's pretty good incentive not to be poor really. . Mellow
victor809 Offline
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Yeah... you better keep earning money drafter or I'm gonna kick you with razor blades till MACS gets around to shooting you in the head.
DrafterX Offline
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No worries here. .. although I'd really like to meet you guys someday. .. if I do get poor I'll be sure to ask for you guys tho... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/01/22/510984148/republican-plan-to-replace-obamacare-would-turn-medicaid-over-to-states?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

This from the party that was pushing that death panel bs!!


Oh my God this is hilarious... anyone depending on either ACA are Medicaid is going to be so boned if they implement this... by literally fixing the amount of money Medicaid has to spend annually they sure as hell are more aligned with any claims of "death panels" than the ACA ever was.

On the upside, the reduced population should help with environmental issues.



I like it.....since Obammy was fond of using Federal tax dollars to let's say " motivate " states to follow his command. I would do same when it comes to the Sanctuary cities and or states who willingly harbor Illegal Invaders...they get what everyone else gets, if they CHOOSE to spend it on Illegal New Arrivals and their brats....so be it.
( they'll just find themselves running a bit short for their other citizens )
dstieger Offline
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I'm still extremely puzzled that the conversation is 99.9% about insurance. I'm not in the field and generally clueless about most everything, but I firmly believe that the problem that needs to be addressed first is not the insurance, but health care cost. Even if you stake out the position that costs are 'reasonable' due to ....idk...whatever......how the **** can we know????
Not just a lack of transparency, but a huge deliberate obfuscation. I have NEVER had a medical bill/statement that I understood even a little bit. When is the last time that you felt you could responsibly 'shop' for care...even preventative care????? It is impossible. Sure, the insurance companies benefit, but so do the corporate hospitals and conglomerates....fix the way costs are computed and communicated and then...and only then...can we even begin to address coverage issues....some day the curtain is going to get pulled back....even if just a little bit....and then we might be able to figure how to disperse the actual costs
TMCTLT Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I'm still extremely puzzled that the conversation is 99.9% about insurance. I'm not in the field and generally clueless about most everything, but I firmly believe that the problem that needs to be addressed first is not the insurance, but health care cost. Even if you stake out the position that costs are 'reasonable' due to ....idk...whatever......how the **** can we know????
Not just a lack of transparency, but a huge deliberate obfuscation. I have NEVER had a medical bill/statement that I understood even a little bit. When is the last time that you felt you could responsibly 'shop' for care...even preventative care????? It is impossible. Sure, the insurance companies benefit, but so do the corporate hospitals and conglomerates....fix the way costs are computed and communicated and then...and only then...can we even begin to address coverage issues....some day the curtain is going to get pulled back....even if just a little bit....and then we might be able to figure how to disperse the actual costs



I'm in total agreement here Dave.
But again I ask how do we as a country simply IGNORE the costs passed along to Americans ( yes even and ESPECIALLY those who've come here legally and stay legally ) and pay their own way. How do we saddle already hard working Americans with Law Breakers bills????? I'm certain someone will come along to tell me it has no bearing on healthcare costs in general though cuz it gets paid from the Money Tree er sumthin.
Mr. Jones Offline
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#3 victor809

I AM on Medicaid.
I don't lay in gutters though...
If you kick me?
You'll get a .45 cal HYDRO SHOCK HOLLOWPOINT
Enema right up your sphincter from my
P250 Sig Sauer...A FREE COLONOSCOPY FOR
YOUR TROUBLES.
MACS Offline
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Please show me where I said people don't deserve medical care without insurance?

My sister doesn't have dental insurance, but her and her husband visit the dentist regularly. They pay as they go.

If you can't pay cash, but need the service... put it on your cc, or make a deal to make payments.

Hell, I pay $75 a month for dental for my wife and I.... that's $900 a year. I'm seriously considering doing the same as my sister because we damn sure didn't use $900 worth of services last year.
victor809 Offline
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It's OK Jones.. you'll be too sick to do anything because of the fun budgeting of medicare... heck, this'll do the SSG agents jobs for them.
dstieger Offline
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IDK, Paul.

I still haven't worked up much outrage over illegal immigration and I just don't believe that the angst and ulcers and, frankly, the divisive conversations are fully warranted by the negative impact of illegal immigration. Yes, I believe that someone here illegally is breaking the law and generally not entitled to any of my tax dollars. But, I also acknowledge that there's a lot of gray encountered when peeling back the onion and there's some stuff that I can sympathize with.

For example, grown/growing children who are here illegally through no choice/fault of there own.....I'm good with a path towards legal status and even citizenship.....what about pre-natal care for illegals?....IDK...but, if their unborn US citizens don't get pre-natal care, I suspect the costs to those future citizens being born with unnecessary risks will be a lot higher than the cost of giving an illegal future mother a few doctor visits....where do I draw the line....IDK....but I imagine there's other preventative and emergency costs that I'm willing to risk bearing in order to lessen the risk of higher costs in the future...maybe?
MACS Offline
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Dave, I agree with you 100% on the cost of health care. An ambulance ride costing thousands?? dubious.
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http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2016/10/17/macra-final-rule-cms-strikes-a-balance-will-docs-hang-on/

dstieger Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2016/10/17/macra-final-rule-cms-strikes-a-balance-will-docs-hang-on/




I need a translator....I actually made it seven or eight paragraphs in....but understood all of maybe two sentences...something about soup?
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dstieger wrote:
IDK, Paul.

I still haven't worked up much outrage over illegal immigration and I just don't believe that the angst and ulcers and, frankly, the divisive conversations are fully warranted by the negative impact of illegal immigration. Yes, I believe that someone here illegally is breaking the law and generally not entitled to any of my tax dollars. But, I also acknowledge that there's a lot of gray encountered when peeling back the onion and there's some stuff that I can sympathize with.

For example, grown/growing children who are here illegally through no choice/fault of there own.....I'm good with a path towards legal status and even citizenship.....what about pre-natal care for illegals?....IDK...but, if their unborn US citizens don't get pre-natal care, I suspect the costs to those future citizens being born with unnecessary risks will be a lot higher than the cost of giving an illegal future mother a few doctor visits....where do I draw the line....IDK....but I imagine there's other preventative and emergency costs that I'm willing to risk bearing in order to lessen the risk of higher costs in the future...maybe?



Well don't feel like the Lone Ranger.....for whatever reason neither have enough other US Citizens which is exactly why our elected officials don't mind spending Billions on them to receive their votes and enjoy their cheap labor costs.


How in God' creation can they be considered " unborn US citizens " ??? If...IF their parents came here LEGALLY...I get it, the way our laws currently read ( their offspring would be considered Americans ) BUT for those who did not come here legally and were already or became pregnant after the fact...NOT US CITIZEN. And the Birthright Law is one I hope Trump deals with quickly!!!!
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dstieger wrote:
I need a translator....I actually made it seven or eight paragraphs in....but understood all of maybe two sentences...something about soup?



Ya i didn't understand a word of it...
dstieger Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
How in God' creation can they be considered " unborn US citizens " ??? If...IF their parents came here LEGALLY...I get it, the way our laws currently read ( their offspring would be considered Americans ) BUT for those who did not come here legally and were already or became pregnant after the fact...NOT US CITIZEN. And the Birthright Law is one I hope Trump deals with quickly!!!!


OK....poor wording on my part, I suppose....unborn 'soon-to-be-US citizens'?

Pretty sure that current US law is clear on the fact that persons born in the US are US citizens....I don't see anything in the U.S. Code that exempts those born of mothers 'who did not come here legally'.

Since it is written into a federal statute, wouldn't it have to be 'dealt with' by Congress? Serious question...IDK....what can Trump do about it?


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We'll be in this bad place forever as long as healthcare, medical treatment and insurance, is a for-profit enterprise. Decisions based on the bottom line may not be in line with the patient's best treatment plan. That's probably why our medical bills and insurance policies are indecipherable. Healthcare fat-cats profiting off of our frailties are a bigger problem to us than the cost of treating some unborn U.S. citizens. Many of the illegals are healthy young laborers, but I haven't seen any numbers of the total cost of medical treatment of undocumented persons in our country. I have seen the record profits, in Billions of dollars, being made by healthcare providers and health insurance companies. Do we really need skyscraper office buildings and hordes of paper pushers to manage our health insurance?

Those who have suffered a serious injury and/or have life-threatening medical conditions are the biggest drains on the industry's profits. I saw on TV an interview with a man who said he was a lifelong Republican and opposed Obamacare...then he was stricken by cancer and couldn't get healthcare or insurance coverage. Then Obamacare passed and he was able to get treatment and is now in remission. He's still a Republican, but supports Obamacare. Just one example, but it could be any one of us...
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I personally have only seen one thing about obamacare that i hate, the insurance requirement/ penalty... i know so little about healthcare it's ridiculous, but as soon as the government is allowed to force citizens to buy something, I'm out...
victor809 Offline
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Now hang on there.

Are you saying cutting into health care profits is better than just having people die?

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. As a completely unbiased individual who just happens to be able to charge ridiculous hourly rated to validate the production of some of the Healthcare products.... I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Let's keep those Healthcare costs juuuuussst right where they're at.

We can talk about lowering them after I've retired. Till then daddy needs some more cigars.
MACS Offline
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^^See? I knew you were a capitalist!!
victor809 Offline
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... I've never hidden that.
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dstieger wrote:
I'm still extremely puzzled that the conversation is 99.9% about insurance. I'm not in the field and generally clueless about most everything, but I firmly believe that the problem that needs to be addressed first is not the insurance, but health care cost. Even if you stake out the position that costs are 'reasonable' due to ....idk...whatever......how the **** can we know????
Not just a lack of transparency, but a huge deliberate obfuscation. I have NEVER had a medical bill/statement that I understood even a little bit. When is the last time that you felt you could responsibly 'shop' for care...even preventative care????? It is impossible. Sure, the insurance companies benefit, but so do the corporate hospitals and conglomerates....fix the way costs are computed and communicated and then...and only then...can we even begin to address coverage issues....some day the curtain is going to get pulled back....even if just a little bit....and then we might be able to figure how to disperse the actual costs


I agree with all but one part of this. While searching for answers to the issues you raised, we still nemake sure we cover EVERYONE.

Before someone makes the point that it's not government's job to provide healthcare, there is an alternative. In nearby Baton Rouge we have seen what lack of healthcare does to the local market. Our Rhodes Scholar ex-governor Bobby Jindal shut down the charity hospital system in Louisiana. Unfortunately, he misdiagnosed the illness and the outcome wasn't what he expected.

When he shut down Earl K Long hospital in North Baton Rouge, the indigent had to search for an alternative. So they went to the next closest hospital which was the Baton Rouge General - Mid City. Well, that lasted a few years before the Baton Rouge General Mid City closed it's ER. They were losing about $12 million a month; or a year, not sure which.

As a result, they went even further south to Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center. That hospital was inundated with indigent. Hour wait times became 6-12 hour wait times. All of a sudden every spare piece of wall in the ER was used to park a bed. It's gotten so congested, you can't even drive into the emergency room parking lot without having to convince a guard you have a medical emergency.

In the end, the state is now paying more for indigent care in Baton Rouge. Because OLOL-RMC told the state that the only way they would increase capacity to treat the indigent was if the state reimbursed the hospital 100% of the insurance rate instead of the much lower Medicaid rate.

In other words the indigent are going to receive care regardless. It's much better to be part of the solution than the problem.
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