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why are the news stations and publications saying that Mex prez
Mithrandir Offline
#1 Posted:
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cancelled meeting with Pres Trump?

President Trump said to him there is no reason to meet if you do not want to talk about the "wall". It seems to me that Mr. was not willing to meet Mr Nieto if he didn't like the agenda.

What is wrong with these news freaks that they constantly feel the need to support every foreign ruler?

Really tired of them injecting their own slant and their choice of words to make issues and situations always seem more dire and dramatic than they are.

What they don't realize is the way of doing business in this country is now keeping America's interest first before any other country. Government of, for and by the people!

Just an aside......as a Trump supporter, I was at work watching the interview on ABC when Mr. Trump was inflating his ego and I wanted to say "you really gotta appreciate his modesty" as a sarcasm. I couldn't even get the words out completely when Trump haters went on a rant of hate for him. I guess if you supported Trump then your right to free speech has been rescinded.fog

victor809 Offline
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How is your first paragraph different?
Trump gave an ultimatum saying we're talking about you paying for the wall... the Mexican president declined... thus cancelling the meeting. Sounds like the Mexican president cancelled the meeting because he didn't want to talk about that, and trump refused to talk about anything else.

For the record, it was just a year ago that Republicans were all about supporting every foreign leader who slighted obama. Remember nettanyahu? Don't pretend this is only the other guy doing it.

And if your idea of free speech is being able to have your turn to speak at work about your political beliefs without anyone disagreeing...perhaps you need a refresher on the constitution, along with a safe space and a cookie.
Abrignac Offline
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I'll take this as a debate on the wall itself.

I have a Doberman. It's my responsibility to make sure he does doesn't harm anyone who visits me and it's also my responsibility to keep him contained in my yard so he's doesn't harm my neighbors. I see the wall as the same issue.
Mithrandir Offline
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victor809 wrote:
How is your first paragraph different?
Trump gave an ultimatum saying we're talking about you paying for the wall... the Mexican president declined... thus cancelling the meeting. Sounds like the Mexican president cancelled the meeting because he didn't want to talk about that, and trump refused to talk about anything else.

For the record, it was just a year ago that Republicans were all about supporting every foreign leader who slighted obama. Remember nettanyahu? Don't pretend this is only the other guy doing it.

And if your idea of free speech is being able to have your turn to speak at work about your political beliefs without anyone disagreeing...perhaps you need a refresher on the constitution, along with a safe space and a cookie.


I like macaroons pleaseHerfing
jjanecka Offline
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We need to silence Victor before democrats take power again...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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The Mexican President is listening to his people. They don't want him to go to DC. They KNOW what the agenda is and how it's going to go. Mexico has no cards in this "game".

The Peso is getting creamed, and the reality of a proposed 20% tariff on Mexican goods as well as a total NAFTA gut job has them painted in a corner.

When they wake up and realize the wall will be built and they will pay for it then he'll fly to DC to meet with President Trump.

Mexico has had it waaaay to easy in the one-sided payoff game called NAFTA. America will do JUST fine without their goods if they choose to pull them in response to the proposed tariff. Their labor will be missed but in this game of Chicken...they will blink first and swerve the collision.
Mithrandir Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I'll take this as a debate on the wall itself.

I have a Doberman. It's my responsibility to make sure he does doesn't harm anyone who visits me and it's also my responsibility to keep him contained in my yard so he's doesn't harm my neighbors. I see the wall as the same issue.


So would you be Mexico and the doberman the drug dealers and illegals that you need to keep contained? Then I agree that it is your responsibility. I sorta see where you're going with this but the US is not the side with the doberman IMHO.
DrafterX Offline
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Chikens come from Mexico. .?? Huh
Abrignac Offline
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Mithrandir wrote:
So would you be Mexico and the doberman the drug dealers and illegals that you need to keep contained? Then I agree that it is your responsibility. I sorta see where you're going with this but the US is not the side with the doberman IMHO.


Not trying to be an azzhat, but which way is the flow?? d'oh!
Abrignac Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Mexican President is listening to his people. They don't want him to go to DC. They KNOW what the agenda is and how it's going to go. Mexico has no cards in this "game".

The Peso is getting creamed, and the reality of a proposed 20% tariff on Mexican goods as well as a total NAFTA gut job has them painted in a corner.

When they wake up and realize the wall will be built and they will pay for it then he'll fly to DC to meet with President Trump.

Mexico has had it waaaay to easy in the one-sided payoff game called NAFTA. America will do JUST fine without their goods if they choose to pull them in response to the proposed tariff. Their labor will be missed but in this game of Chicken...they will blink first and swerve the collision.



I wonder how many billions has Soros shorted the peso???
delta1 Offline
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We, the American consumer, the average taxpayer who is paying more than our fair share already, will end up paying for the wall, however any potential deal gets cut. It'll be from higher prices on stuff imported from and through Mexico: cars, petroleum, machinery, computers, fruits and vegetables, tequila and beer.

Great negotiating tactic by the way. "Come here little man, we're gonna talk about building a wall between your pissy little country and our great again country, to keep out all the rapists and drugs and terrorists and who knows what else filthy that comes through you that has destroyed our country, and how you're gonna pay for it...and we're gonna meet in front of the entire world. And by the way, azzhole, we're gonna make you pay 20% more for stuff we send you"

Hah, that'll bring 'em to the bargaining table...who do YOU think cancelled the meeting?
The art of the deal...
dstieger Offline
#12 Posted:
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Statesmen tend to play the long game. Many businessmen today are looking for quick wins, long term risks be damned. Make your shareholders happy, get out and move on to another venture. If the risky play hits the fan, file bankruptcy and move on....someone else can cover your losses.

Trump played the 'Mexico will pay' card loud and often. So what if the play fails....consumers will pay the tab....and we'll fn like it, thank you very much. May I have another?
Mithrandir Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Not trying to be an azzhat, but which way is the flow?? d'oh!


In your example, the flow seems to be coming from innocent people outside your yard into your yard where the dangerous situation exists. In that instance, I agree with you that you would be responsible for a protective barrier/wall.

However, the hazardous situation seems to be on the Mexico side and the innocent victim would be the US, which to me seems to be quite different from your example. I'm either a bit confused or as jethro tull says, thick as a brickHerfing
Abrignac Offline
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Mithrandir wrote:
In your example, the flow seems to be coming from innocent people outside your yard into your yard where the dangerous situation exists. In that instance, I agree with you that you would be responsible for a protective barrier/wall.

However, the hazardous situation seems to be on the Mexico side and the innocent victim would be the US, which to me seems to be quite different from your example. I'm either a bit confused or as jethro tull says, thick as a brickHerfing



Let's try this one more time.

Abrignac wrote:
I'll take this as a debate on the wall itself.

I have a Doberman. It's my responsibility to make sure he does doesn't harm anyone who visits me

This would translate to Mexico is responsible for keeping both its citizens and visitors safe.

and

it's also my responsibility to keep him contained in my yard so he's doesn't harm my neighbors.

This would translate that it's Mexico's responsibility to make sure it doesn't allow people to exit their border who may cause harm on others.

I see the wall as the same issue.

Mithrandir Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Let's try this one more time.




I agree with you my friendHerfing
Abrignac Offline
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Mithrandir wrote:
I agree with you my friendHerfing


You may want to change your ballast. It taking too long for your light bulb to light.
Mithrandir Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
You may want to change your ballast. It taking too long for your light bulb to light.


I actually have to replace an under cabinet light fixture in the kitchen....bad ballast.....thanks for the reminder....the wife appreciates it!!!!!!Herfing
tamapatom Offline
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Make Mexico great again!
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:


And if your idea of free speech is being able to have your turn to speak at work about your political beliefs without anyone disagreeing...perhaps you need a refresher on the constitution, along with a safe space and a cookie.


I believe a bunch of women just marched a week ago for just such reasons.
tailgater Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I'll take this as a debate on the wall itself.

I have a Doberman. It's my responsibility to make sure he does doesn't harm anyone who visits me and it's also my responsibility to keep him contained in my yard so he's doesn't harm my neighbors. I see the wall as the same issue.


Good analogy, but it's also your own responsibility to close and lock your door at night.

DrafterX Offline
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And feed the puppy-dog... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Good analogy, but it's also your own responsibility to close and lock your door at night.



I grew up in a brokeass southern state. We couldn't afford door locks.
Mithrandir Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I grew up in a brokeass southern state. We couldn't afford door locks.


Your door lock is a 12 gaugeHerfing
Abrignac Offline
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Nope. Didn't need one though there were always a "few" around. As far as I know, the neighborhood I lived for my first 13 years never had a theft while we lived there. Though not really what you'd call tight knit, gossip spread like wildfire. If some happened 10 houses away everyone would know about it within a few hours. Nine out 10 nights my bicycle spent the night with 20 feet of the main through road and yet is was always where I left the next day.
victor809 Offline
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Sheet... you lived in a fancy neighborhood. :)

When I was in college in Baltimore the block I lived on for a couple years had multiple break ins (and lot of the same house) and a fun arson next door one night. Had a bike get stolen because I left it alone for 5 minutes.... really missed that piece of crap huffy.
Abrignac Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Sheet... you lived in a fancy neighborhood. :)

When I was in college in Baltimore the block I lived on for a couple years had multiple break ins (and lot of the same house) and a fun arson next door one night. Had a bike get stolen because I left it alone for 5 minutes.... really missed that piece of crap huffy.



Not a fancy neighborhood at all. It was Blue collar had a welder & his wife and duaghter on one side. A construction worker and his family on the other side. The only fancy thing was the moral compasses.
victor809 Offline
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Yeah... I bet they didn't even make you have your top hat polished weekly.

Damn bourgeoisie....
DrMaddVibe Offline
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NEWS ALERT...


A homeless man stole a bike and rode it across country so he could live in a sanctuary city. This just in, violence against homeless people is rising.

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Abrignac wrote:
I'll take this as a debate on the wall itself.

I have a Doberman. It's my responsibility to make sure he does doesn't harm anyone who visits me and it's also my responsibility to keep him contained in my yard so he's doesn't harm my neighbors. I see the wall as the same issue.


Did you expect someone else to pay for your Doberman?
TMCTLT Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Did you expect someone else to pay for your Doberman?



In my mind the " Doberman " IS all the Illegal Invaders leaving their yard to run in mine / ours....So YES in that instance they DO get to pay for the fence to keep " Their Dogs " in " Their Yard "
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tamapatom wrote:
Make Mexico great again!


Bring back the Aztecs.
Abrignac Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Did you expect someone else to pay for your Doberman?


He is in my yard. It's my responsibility to keep him out of yours.
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victor809 wrote:
Sheet... you lived in a fancy neighborhood. :)

When I was in college in Baltimore the block I lived on for a couple years had multiple break ins (and lot of the same house) and a fun arson next door one night. Had a bike get stolen because I left it alone for 5 minutes.... really missed that piece of crap huffy.



End Welfare Breeding.

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victor809 Offline
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End racist breeding.

(Insert emoji here)
Stinkdyr Offline
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victor809 wrote:
End racist breeding.

(Insert emoji here)



Last gasp refuge of all illiberal lefties is to yell "RACISM!!" at everything and hope that nobody questions their integrity or rationale.

Beer
victor809 Offline
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Nah. Just you...

Mr "welfare is reparations " and "stop welfare breeding "


.... you can go live with cacman and talk about sickle cell all day.
Stinkdyr Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Nah. Just you...

Mr "welfare is reparations " and "stop welfare breeding "


.... you can go live with cacman and talk about sickle cell all day.



Only you seem to be mentioning race.

As I said........last refuge of the illiberal left.....

Beer
victor809 Offline
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Dude. You are the one who mentioned race. I just brought it up again. You personally identify welfare as reparations... thats you deciding to add a racial component. You've said exactly that on this site.

I'm just not willing to let what you said slide. You are the sum of your posts... and you sir are a racist who apparently wants to stop blacks from breeding.
Stinkdyr Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Dude. You are the one who mentioned race. I just brought it up again. You personally identify welfare as reparations... thats you deciding to add a racial component. You've said exactly that on this site.

I'm just not willing to let what you said slide. You are the sum of your posts... and you sir are a racist who apparently wants to stop blacks from breeding.



I'm rubber, you're glue...bounces off me and sticks to you!

nya nya nya nya!

Herfing
frankj1 Offline
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anyway...

under Trump's (limited) explanation of how Mexico will pay for the wall...if I buy avocados and other goodies from Mexico, I'm paying for the wall with the 20% add-on charge. They might get hurt due to selling less avocados, but it is definitely money from north of the border purchasers footing the bill...mine and yours

Can't believe this hasn't been written anywhere here yet. .
TMCTLT Offline
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Last gasp refuge of all illiberal lefties is to yell "RACISM!!" at everything and hope that nobody questions their integrity or rationale.

Beer




How VERY true, and unfortunately our " schools of Higher learning " set the precedent and the TONE( along with our Fed. Gov. under Obummer's 8 yr term. EVERYTHING goes on the RACE SCALE "


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