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So I was battling with my wife...
bgz Offline
#51 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Romans 12:20 speaks about deceiving one's enemies too. I am no religious expert, but am sure that devout practitioners can find fault with all other religions, while not seeing the same faults, inconsistencies and cruelties in theirs.


Oh, I've found plenty of faults in the Bible too ;)

I can't find any in my own however... because I don't have one to find faults in.

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#52 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Meh. I take no issue when someone disagrees with me.


Good. Herfing
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#53 Posted:
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If I was forced to choose a religion, I'd probably go with Norse Paganism because Valhalla sounds fun...

or possibly Discordianism because it aligns with my beliefs in entropy.
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#54 Posted:
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Norse gods were pretty cool, but that f'n Loki was a deceptive and lying SOB...so it'd be tough to be a believer...have a feeling I'm headed to every religion's punitive afterworld...
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#55 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Norse gods were pretty cool, but that f'n Loki was a deceptive and lying SOB...so it'd be tough to be a believer...have a feeling I'm headed to every religion's punitive afterworld...


Right... Discordianism it is
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#56 Posted:
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I'm an ordained Dudist priest.
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#57 Posted:
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May your balls hook smoothly and your throat be free of roaches.
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#58 Posted:
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A lot of faults people find with Islam and the Islamic people I essentially find with anyone who is religious...

From the outside you all look the same to me.

(Except the Buddhists... they're cool)
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#59 Posted:
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Anyone else find this paragraph of the OP hilarious?


bgz wrote:

She kept throwing leftist talking points, and I completely dominated the conversation with factual information about why it is rational to fear the political system known as Islam.
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I mean... who wants to bet that she has a much different take on how that conversation went down?

bgz Offline
#60 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Anyone else find this paragraph of the OP hilarious?




I mean... who wants to bet that she has a much different take on how that conversation went down?




Ya, I imagine it went something like this... "look at this azzhole, he won't even let me speak... talking about how THEY are the misogynists".
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#61 Posted:
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Buddhism is just Hinduism without all the fluff and extra gods.

Plus the Dalai Lama is one viscious ****. They still do some sorry downright primitive things in Tibet.
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#62 Posted:
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I know when to shut my piehole...there's the narrowing of the eyebrows and squinting...pursing of the lips...use of my given first name, but spit out like a pejorative...
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#63 Posted:
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I figure it was more like:
"He kept throwing right wing talking points and I completely dominated the conversation with factual information about why it is irrational to fear a group simply based on religion"... "and he couldn't understand a religion isn't a political system"....

I mean... can you tell the difference between a talking point and "factual information " can you be sure you were the one using facts and she was the one not?
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#64 Posted:
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We wouldn't even have this issue if it wasn't for that Susan B. Anthony...
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#65 Posted:
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Islam contains a vast landscape of ideas and schools of thought.... Each school has common and different views on the practice of Islam. All recognizing the Koran as the supreme authority with varying views on the Hadith etc. etc.

I have had extensive friendships with Muslim people. One dear friend asked me to travel to Istanbul which I did for a month. All I had to pay was the travel expenses. When I offered to pay , I was refused (I felt obliged to at least offer to pay ) according to their custom. Knowing that to persist would cause offense ,I explained myself and let it go. I had a guide throughout my time there and went to many places nonmuslims would not venture to go. These travels ,my friendships, meetings and study have profoundly affected my understanding.

My library has many books on Islam from different perspectives. A number of those books where purchased when I was a regular attendee at Friday Islamic meetings while attending the University of Florida. Funny enough when I went to UMass Amherst, a Muslim friend of mine asked if I would teach his group about Said Nursi as I became very familiar with his teachings due to the previous meetings. This was brought about through my discussions with him on many matters of his faith and practice.

A good portion of my knowledge concerns Sunni Islam, Sufism in particular, but I have had contact with those who are Shia (which many Sunnis consider to be false even outside the faith) and examined their history and practice as well . I write this to say there is much to know and understand and encourage everyone here to examine the facts carefully.

To become a Muslim requires the belief /proclamation of the Shahada which is to say there is no god but Allah (God is one) and Mohammed is His Prophet or messenger..

Concerning Romans 12 20 the verse is pointing to one of a number of consequences for the enemies of the Christian faithful. The primary command is to love your enemies. A consequence of this is if one's enemy persists in his or her attitude, then such a person will suffer a greater judgement. The other consequences written elsewhere includes that by a Christian's testimony of faith and good action the offending party might come to the realization of the sincerity of the believers faith and behavior and either come to faith or change his or her attitude/actions etc. . Reading one quote without the knowledge of the total picture merely distorts the message. The same could be said of Islam . But there are major differences between Christianity and Islam. One should not be blind to the potential problems as well.

As to interfaith meetings ,I have been to a number of these events. Most if not all where sponsored by Gulen's movement or those inspired by his reaching out to other communities of faith etc. . The same Gulen who Erdogan wants extradited for charges of treason among other things. The fued between them had grown through the years,but that is a different story.
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#66 Posted:
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Please forgive any issues in my text. I am writing on my phone and have bad eyesight and big clumsy fingers..lol😁😁😁😁
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#67 Posted:
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Please forgive any issues in my text. I am writing on my phone and have bad eyesight and big clumsy fingers..lol😁😁😁😁
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teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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Tich naht hahn dies t seem very mean to me
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#69 Posted:
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Mistakes like "had grown" which should read "has grown "damnable spell check...😁😁😁😁😁
Now back to my cigar in freezing Kansas..
😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
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teedubbya Offline
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Where in Kansas?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I'm an ordained Dudist priest.


Me too...since 2003.

Have the degree on the wall.
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Manhattan Kansas, I worked as a postdoc for three years funding ended and now I am looking for work.
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Anyone nearby always looking for other BOTL to enjoy good cigars and whisky or whiskey or good beer whatever one's preference.😁😁😁😯😯😯😯
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bgz Offline
#74 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I figure it was more like:
"He kept throwing right wing talking points and I completely dominated the conversation with factual information about why it is irrational to fear a group simply based on religion"... "and he couldn't understand a religion isn't a political system"....

I mean... can you tell the difference between a talking point and "factual information " can you be sure you were the one using facts and she was the one not?


Yes, I'm sure.

My points are valid. I'm sure you don't disagree with me on this though, as I've seen you do your share of religion bashing.

I don't think I've seen you bash Islam though...

I think you might be a terrorist.

teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted:
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My group has nothing to do with that goulash dude 😎
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
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Bgz obviously is sleeping on the couch and doing his "laundry" by hand.

Glad you "dominated the conversation" now?

jjanecka Offline
#77 Posted:
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He might be outside shoveling chit.
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#78 Posted:
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latkes sent
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#79 Posted:
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Gulen is known to be one of the first to help promote these events.. He was never mentioned by name unless one dug deeper. Like I said either inspired by his interfaith activities or directed.
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teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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this was a grass roots effort by my pastor
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#81 Posted:
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When I say directed I do not mean he planned the meetings nor was his name attached directly just connected on some level..
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qmech Offline
#82 Posted:
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When I say directed I do not mean he planned the meetings nor was his name attached directly just connected on some level..
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PS Are there Turkish people involved?
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#83 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Bgz obviously is sleeping on the couch and doing his "laundry" by hand.

Glad you "dominated the conversation" now?



Better than ducking my head and putting my tail between my legs :)

Well, she started laying into me with verbal jabs and right crosses. She won't be satisfied till I agree with her anti trumpisms.

I'm sure she'll start another battle with me for no reason again soon!
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#84 Posted:
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I dunno.. he sort of decided during one of our mens group meetings that nothing like it existed in our area and he wanted to form a community with and learn about other religious leaders and congregations. I'm not aware of any connection to anyone or anything else. No turks to my knowledge old or young
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Yes I see and good to know...
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PS
I believe Cair promotes such meetings as well s other groups...not to mention Muslim as well as Christian communities sponsoring them on their own
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#86 Posted:
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Yes I see and good to know...
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PS
I believe Cair promotes such meetings as well s other groups...not to mention Muslim as well as Christian communities sponsoring them on their own
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted:
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I can't pretend to know if his inspiration came from somewhere but I do know it did not originate from the national or regional church leadership and the dude is a humble "friar" type. I posted earlier about his work in the south during segregation love him ... now retired
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#88 Posted:
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Sorry my phone has glitches press once and two messages appear.
I do not doubt what you say is legit. I came into it from the Muslim side strange enough. So I am more familiar with their out reach circles. But I have read and heard about churches sponsoring similar things.
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teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted:
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The religious leaders I've talked into do not buy in to the all muslims are lying to trick you thing.... then again they could be lying too I guess
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Practicing Muslims typically do wish to spread their message and see others convert to Islam; many by nonviolent persuasion. There are multiple different ideas that influence these and other actions. The Koran does tie faith and state together. Still some Muslims are ok to live in harmony without any great desire to establish supremacy. Others are waiting for a converted people to create their society accordingly. There are groups who attempt to move communities, especially where they have a strong presence , towards a stronger Islamic stance and others who take over by force to reign etc. One will also find religious groups with different aims and goals promoting Islam and/or defending Muslins in accordance with what the governed may allow etc. These ideas are reflective of the geographic region , culture , religious interpretations , personal temperament and other factors that mold the individual and mve the group/circles they belong to. What many forget is when human beings are involved it is always more complicated.

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#91 Posted:
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and move the group/circles....
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#92 Posted:
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One should be honest and not shy away from the light and darker side,while taking people as they are; at least that is my opinion.
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bgz Offline
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Wife retaliated last night with a vengeance.

Came at me armed with all kinds of talking points, statistics and all that other stuff.

She got revenge, and it was fierce.

All I wanted to do was smoke and drink...
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#94 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Better than ducking my head and putting my tail between my legs :)

Well, she started laying into me with verbal jabs and left crosses. She won't be satisfied till I agree with her anti trumpisms.

I'm sure she'll start another battle with me for no reason again soon!


fixed...

at least she's still talking to you...
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#95 Posted:
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Whenever women do that kind of chit you have to prove that your a man by slamming down shots of whiskey and engulfing the entire house with cigar smoke. That's the only way to win the arguement bgz.
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jjanecka wrote:
Whenever women do that kind of chit you have to prove that your a man by slamming down shots of whiskey and engulfing the entire house with cigar smoke. That's the only way to win the arguement bgz.


I like the way you think.

Nice fix there delta :D
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